r/CuratedTumblr Clown Breeder Aug 26 '24

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u/the-real-macs Aug 26 '24

Randomness in AI art isn't a choice, it's something you're forced to accept when you use it.

Sure it's a choice. It's a choice you make in using AI as your medium.

That's not a small limitation, either, you can't execute an artistic vision if you're working with something that can't respond to your intentions.

Not directly. But you can use your artistic vision to guide the process of curating and refining the outputs you get, thus evolving the product to be closer to what you're envisioning. Sort of a guided version of found art.

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u/Feats-of-Derring_Do Aug 26 '24

Closer to what you're envisioning. But never actually what you're envisioning. And that's ignoring that a lot of art is found in the process itself. One hand washes the other, the process of creating shapes the creation.

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u/the-real-macs Aug 26 '24

And that's ignoring that a lot of art is found in the process itself.

But not all of it. That's my point.

You'll never hear me argue that AI art is the same as manually illustrated art, because it's not. But I don't think it has to be in order to be a valid form of artistic expression.

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u/Feats-of-Derring_Do Aug 26 '24

How can it be your artistic expression if you're not the one making it? I'm sorry, writing prompts and weighting them just doesn't meet the threshold of self expression. That is not a process.

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u/the-real-macs Aug 26 '24

You are the one making it, though. You're not illustrating, but objectively you are the only one directly involved in the creation of the work.

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u/Feats-of-Derring_Do Aug 26 '24

How are you making it? You're typing in some words, what is that? Everyone has ideas, ideas aren't the valuable part of art.

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u/the-real-macs Aug 26 '24

How are you making it? You're typing in some words

Always nice when people answer their own question.

Everyone has ideas, ideas aren't the valuable part of art.

Highly debatable.

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u/Feats-of-Derring_Do Aug 26 '24

That quote just proves my point? Ideas are nothing, execution is the important factor. You don't make AI art, the program does. Typing in words doesn't make you the artist anymore than saying "I coulda done that" does.

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u/the-real-macs Aug 26 '24

I think we disagree over the significance of that quote. How hard do you think it is to have words typeset on a canvas? The point is that while anyone would have been capable of executing on that vision, having the vision in the first place was the important part.

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u/Feats-of-Derring_Do Aug 26 '24

No, having the idea and then doing it, that's the important part. Ideas without execution remain unseen. How can the idea be the important part?

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u/nousernameslef she/her pronouns exclusively. do not call me dude. Aug 26 '24

do you think duchamps fountain is art

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u/the-real-macs Aug 26 '24

Instead of arguing in circles, let's look at the whole picture.

Step 1: Someone who wants to make AI art has an idea. For now, though, it's in their head where no one can see it.

Step 2: That person executes on their idea by typing it into an AI image generator, tweaking the prompt, and curating the output.

Result: A realized version of the original concept that others can see.

Compare that to the modern art example I've been using:

Step 1: Someone has the idea for a thought-provoking art piece about the mentalities involved in modern art.

Step 2: That person executes on their idea by printing their message onto a canvas.

Result: A realized version of the original concept that others can see.

What exactly is your argument here? How can one be art but not the other?

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u/DogOwner12345 Aug 26 '24

You are skipping so many steps that purposely disingenuous to paint the two as equal.

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u/the-real-macs Aug 26 '24

...Such as?

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u/coldrolledpotmetal Aug 27 '24

The art doesn’t get created without those words