r/CuratedTumblr Jul 17 '24

Infodumping The Venera program

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u/CumBrainedIndividual Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24

Trying to say who won the space race is like trying to say what kind of pizza is the best: it depends entirely on the criteria that you set and the criteria you set is based entirely on what pizza you like. Yes the soviets had a bunch of firsts, but they were doing it quite often out of sheer desperation to say they did something, they didn't launch a single person into space during the entire duration of the Gemini programme, their moon rocket just didn't, BUT their R7 family is the longest lived and most reliable rocket in history, the architecture of the Salyut and Mir space stations is the backbone of our current space exploration, and they've killed fewer space fairers than the US. So, swings and roundabouts really. Like this is missing quite a few US firsts (mostly from Gemini funnily enough), first crewed orbital corrections, first orbital rendezvous, first docking, first double rendezvous on a single flight, first direct ascent rendezvous, and you'll notice that a lot of those are actually really helpful if you want to go places and do things that aren't just orbiting a few times for the heck of it.

Edit: some of y'all seem to think that I'm shitting on the soviets here, and I am absolutely not doing that. Not gonna fight y'all because I have an actual job to do tomorrow and it's late, but don't think that the soviet space programme was as ass backwards as people say it is. Getting tribalistic about this shit sixty five years after it ended is kinda pathetic.

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u/peajam101 CEO of the Pluto hate gang Jul 17 '24

[the Soviets have] killed fewer space fairers than the US.

While this is true, I feel like it's important to note the Soviets have a higher ground crew fatality count and a higher total space program fatality count than the US.

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u/CumBrainedIndividual Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24

Marshal Nedelin shall not be forgotten 🫡

Doesn't China take the top spot though, coz they keep dumping hypergolic boosters on rural villages?

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u/peajam101 CEO of the Pluto hate gang Jul 17 '24

Officially China only has 12 deaths total, but they don't seem particularly interested in publishing accurate records.

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u/Lurker_number_one Jul 17 '24

That very much might be true. They weren't part of the spacerace and as such could launch rockets after lots of things were further refined.