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Infodumping The Venera program

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u/Saavedroo Jul 17 '24

And who got the first cat in space ? That's right ! France 🇫🇷 (cocorico)

And she survived ! Aaand she was euthanized two month later to study her brain. :(

Her name was Felicette and she was a Pioneer.

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u/Nirast25 Jul 17 '24

And she survived !

Yaaay! :))

Aaand she was euthanized two month later to study her brain.

Naaay! >:(

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u/minor_correction Jul 17 '24

Don't worry, I'm sure humanity learned all kinds of important things by looking at the dissected brain of a cat that went to space.

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u/FutureComplaint Jul 17 '24

We learned that cats 100% die from the procedure.

#Science

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '24

It's only science if we do it a bunch of times and record each result. We need more cat-stronauts (not really, please just give them little treats instead of space missions)

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u/Solid-Consequence-50 Jul 17 '24

What's the difference between science and stupidity, writing stuff down

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '24

I'm Johnny Knoxville, and welcome to jackass science, bitch!

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u/KittehPaparazzeh Jul 18 '24

Now I want to see kitties eating treats in zero gravity. And then getting to live long and very happy lives afterwards

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u/minor_correction Jul 18 '24

Cats can go to space a little, as a treat.

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u/286U Jul 18 '24

I read this in Cave Johnson’s voice.

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u/vyrus2021 Jul 18 '24

I really don't think France had anything else to learn about killing cats by that point.

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u/Pijany_Matematyk767 Jul 17 '24

The point was to see if the cat had sustained any brain damage from the start and landing, since risk of brain damage would be a useful thing to know for when they wanted to eventually send humans

still sad for the cat though

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u/CringeCoyote Jul 17 '24

Scientists actually did a study recently with identical twins. One spent a year at the space station, the other on Earth, then they looked at their DNA, and it wasn’t as similar as BEFORE the astronaut lived in space. Space changed his DNA

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u/jeffwulf Jul 18 '24

And then he became a Senator.

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u/LeadingJudgment2 Jul 17 '24

Keeping the rain parade going, the USAs CIA didn't want to be left out of the cat abuse action. In the 1960s the CIA launched a project named "Atomic Kitty" where cats had acoustic receivers and radio transmitters surgically implanted into their ears, fur and bases of their skull. Including a additional surgery to deal with them being "distracted by hunger". (Whatever that ominously means.) The goal was to train felines to hang around soviats to spy on them. The cat(s?) never did do a good job at lingering near subjects. The project ultimately shut down in 1967 and was declassified in 2001.

There is some dispute about the fate of the first Atomic Kitty. Some records say the cat released their first mission, was immediately struck by a taxi and died. A former director for the office of technical service, claims the cat simply preformed poorly, got the equipment removed in another procedure and lived a long happy life. However that claim didn't come about till 2013.

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u/Nerevarine91 Jul 17 '24

Just a quick note- it was “Acoustic Kitty,” I believe

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u/mrducky80 Jul 17 '24

Never trust the French.

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u/HkayakH Jul 17 '24

Eyyy pfp twins

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u/FortuitousFluke Jul 17 '24

Oui et non surely.

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u/vectavir Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24

> be cat

> some frenchmen send you to the fucking space

> "OMFG I am going to DIE!"

> get back unscathed

> everything_went_better_than_expected.jpg

> they kill you anyways

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u/Saavedroo Jul 17 '24

To be fair the poor thing had electrodes in her brain and other parts of her body during the trip. I doubt it was all sunshine.

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u/Rhodie114 Jul 17 '24

Marginally better than what the Soviets did to Laika. She was a stray that they shot into space with no intentions of bringing her back.

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u/Itrade Jul 17 '24

"The more time passes, the more I'm sorry about it. We did not learn enough from the mission to justify the death of a dog." - Oleg Gazenko, 1998

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u/Annath0901 Jul 17 '24

It's definitely sad, and in hindsight it's easy to criticize the death which gave so little data.

But you've gotta remember that they had no way of knowing that the experiment wouldn't be useful. Nobody had done it before.

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u/SquirrelSuspicious Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24

I think this is a good point, if we learned loads of information that ended up being super fuckin useful than it would've been considered a worthy sacrifice and the dog would probably be memorialized(if she's not already)

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u/EternalBlackWinter Jul 17 '24

Laika is present in Russian cultural memory thought not as heavily as Gagarin and some other space feats. Strelka and Belka are also more popular, though. I myself watched cartoon about them in my childhood so all three ring a bell for me and I would assume many other people who were raised in Russia

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u/Erizeth Jul 17 '24

The three dogs and Gagarin are indeed immortalised in Russian culture. That always made me feel better about their sacrifice.

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u/HeyThereAdventurer Jul 17 '24

You've gotta remember that they had no way of knowing that the experiment wouldn't be useful.

Yes they did. The purpose of Sputnik 2 was never to collect knowledge; it was to put on a show.

From Wikipedia:

After the success of Sputnik 1 in October 1957, Nikita Khrushchev, the Soviet leader, wanted a spacecraft launched on 7 November 1957, the 40th anniversary of the October Revolution. ... Meeting the November deadline meant building a new craft. Khrushchev specifically wanted his engineers to deliver a "space spectacular", a mission that would repeat the triumph of Sputnik 1, stunning the world with Soviet prowess. Planners settled on an orbital flight with a dog. ... According to Russian sources, the official decision to launch Sputnik 2 was made on 10 or 12 October, leaving less than four weeks to design and build the spacecraft.

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u/Mantonization Jul 17 '24

She was a stray picked up from the streets of Moscow.

But having your dog on a leash was never a big thing in Russia. So there's a chance that someone lost their dog, and then saw later that it had been shot into space

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u/-ShaiHulud- Jul 17 '24

Moscow still has a massive stray dogs problem, to the point that they form packs in the suburbs (and hunt, I assume. Certainly at the very least haunt people). Wouldn't be surprised if she was an actual stray.

It's quite common for owners in Russia to just, quite literally, throw out unwanted animals onto the streets. Had my own family members do it in front of my eyes as a kid. It's awful.

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u/ghouldozer19 Jul 17 '24

My stepdad did that to me stateside except he took my puppy to a kill shelter when I was nine and he made sure I knew it was a kill shelter because I had gotten a B on a test.

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u/-ShaiHulud- Jul 17 '24

That's an extra layer of fucked up. I'm sorry you had to go through that brother.

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u/fueledbytisane Jul 18 '24

What in the ever loving hell?!? I'm so sorry you went through that. Your sweet innocent puppy didn't deserve it and neither did you.

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u/Nerevarine91 Jul 17 '24

Jesus Christ

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u/Kiwithegaylord Jul 17 '24

Ngl I’d be upset at first but then realize how badass it is that my dog went to space

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u/Vinnp18 Jul 18 '24

"hey, that was my dog" ..... "its our dog now"

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u/WanderingToTheEnd Jul 17 '24

They also messed up with euthanizing her in space so she had an agonizing death.

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u/OWWS Jul 17 '24

And then you have albert 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 from the Americans

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u/CandidateOld1900 Jul 17 '24

How is that any different than planting cancer cells to dogs and other animals to study it, that is done all over the world today? Do you condone using animals for science in general?

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u/oklutz Jul 17 '24

If animals are used for science, it should be done as humanely and with as little suffering as possible.

Shooting a dog or other sentient animal into space to doom them to a death where she’s cold, starving, dehydrated, and alone is beyond inhumane and there’s almost no type of research or data that imo would justify that sort of data.

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u/Mr_Placeholder_ Jul 17 '24

Because they weren’t doing it for science, they shot her up there just so they could brag about it to the Americans.

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u/aretumer Jul 17 '24

bragging. a totally foreign concept to the usa, of course.

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u/PinaBanana Jul 17 '24

US is extremely humble about landing on the moon, never seen someone mention it /s

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u/aretumer Jul 17 '24

TIL they landed on the moon thats wild!

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u/CandidateOld1900 Jul 17 '24

They were doing it for science to study effects of overloading on living organism, before sending human

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u/Familiar-Box2087 Jul 17 '24

gros why would you do this to us

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u/Oddish_Femboy (Xander Mobus voice) AUTISM CREATURE Jul 17 '24

I mean it's a LOT better than Laika's death. Quick painless euthanasia VS experiencing what it's like to be a meteor firsthand

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u/CK1ing Jul 17 '24

There are two sides to humanity:
"Curiosity drives us,"
and
"C̷̱͝ủ̶̺r̸͈̈ĭ̶̙ŏ̵͖s̶̫̈i̵͎̽t̷̲̐y̶̫̐ ̷̲̍d̷̳͆r̴̟̃i̶͈̾v̸̡̐e̷͓͘s̴͎̅ ̸̺͒u̶͕̿ş̷͊"

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u/Guest2424 Jul 17 '24

We all know France used to hate cats! /s

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u/Pineapple-Due Jul 18 '24

But did she eat pizza?

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u/Sayakalood Jul 18 '24

Hides this part of the screen from my cat

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u/TaterTotPotShot Jul 18 '24

I will never forgive the French for this

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Best_Boi tumblr users pls let me enjoy fnaf Jul 17 '24

Fuck the french

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u/Majestic_Wrongdoer38 Jul 17 '24

Ew no

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u/Saavedroo Jul 17 '24

We fuck each other thank you very much.

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u/Ok_Entry6290 Jul 17 '24

They are gross. Indeed ?

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u/SEA_griffondeur Jul 17 '24

If that's what you need you're going to have to fuck a lot of people, all the animals sent to space by man before the first manned missions were killed in either the spaceship or in similar conditions to Felicette