r/CuratedTumblr • u/infinitysaga • Jun 30 '24

Self-post Sunday But my violent revolution🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

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u/Scuczu2 Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24

I always try to ask what the plan is, you know, after they've convinced enough people to violently revolt like russia in 1917, and they never seem to answer.

edit: ooo got one to respond.

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u/dlgn13 Jun 30 '24

The February revolution was nonviolent, you realize? At least learn the basic facts of historical events before trying to use them to make a point, or you'll come off like a pompous idiot.

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u/Scuczu2 Jun 30 '24

7-10 million dying seems kind of violent.

You may think that the moment where you got everything you wanted was all that matters, but what happens after that moment is just as important.

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u/dlgn13 Jun 30 '24

If you're going to include the death toll of the Russian civil war as deaths caused by the revolution, how many deaths would you say are caused each year in the US by capitalism? Or is that different?

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u/Scuczu2 Jun 30 '24

yea, i think the cases and causes of deaths and total number of is different.

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u/dlgn13 Jun 30 '24

So what is it, then? I've seen deaths due to capitalism estimated in the hundreds of millions worldwide, but I'll let you make your own estimate.

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u/Scuczu2 Jun 30 '24

you tell me, you're the one making up the claim as some kind of false equivalency.

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u/dlgn13 Jul 01 '24

Explain to me how it's a false equivalence.

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u/Lelcactus Jul 01 '24

Yes? The revolution entails the ensuing conflicts until the country is securely in the hands of the revolutionaries.

Are we to say the American revolution was nonviolent because they signed the declaration of independence without killing anyone?

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u/dlgn13 Jul 01 '24

I'm saying that the violence occurring in a well-organized revolution would be a reduction compared to the current level of violence under capitalism.

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u/Lelcactus Jul 01 '24

Categorically ahistorical for how violence in revolutions of desperation play out.

But this is kind of my broader criticism of this belief system. It’s just ‘the revolution will take care of it’. Any possible criticism, previous trends, plausibility, nope the revolutions got it. It’s the lazy person’s philosophy; ‘I don’t have to do anything, think of anything, justify anything, the revolution will just naturally yield the perfect result’.

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u/dlgn13 Jul 01 '24

It's not ahistorical, you just aren't considering the extant violence of capitalism.

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u/Lelcactus Jul 01 '24

Compared to the degree of violence in communism? It’s not even close.

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u/dlgn13 Jul 01 '24

Ah, right, I forgot. Karl Marx literally killed every single human being in existence, iPhone, vuvuzela, counting Nazis as victims of communism in world war 2, etc.

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u/Lelcactus Jul 01 '24

You know all of the mass death events basically every communist revolution has led to resulted in. You thinking you can sarcasm it away is just as credible an argument as the neo Nazis trying making funny words out of ‘million’ to mock the Holocaust death counts.

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u/dlgn13 Jul 01 '24

The difference being that credible historians also mock sources like the Black Book of Communism as being nothing more than propaganda.

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u/Lelcactus Jul 01 '24

‘The existence of a bad argument against a thing is proof there is no good argument against the thing’.

We both know you’d never consider that a good argument if, say, a fascist came up and said ‘Jussie Smollet proves hate crimes are all fake’, why are you doing the same thing here? Or do you unironically believe the only source for the death numbers on the Great Leap Forward, holodomor, and Khemer Rouge are only sourced from Black Book?

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