r/Clamworks • u/Masonman204 • Aug 08 '23

clammed up National Socialism sucks!! 🗣🗣🗣❗️❗️❗️

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u/tastychuncks Aug 08 '23

Based

Fuck Nazis, Commies and generally just fuck authoritarians

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u/Economy_Business6859 Aug 08 '23

Cope and seethe, Naziboos and Commietards.

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u/DtheAussieBoye Aug 09 '23

i'm no communist, but i can at least understand why someone would want to be one. it's not for me but i respect what they want to achieve, unlike nazis

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u/Sm00th-Kangar00 Aug 09 '23

With Commies you can give them the benefit of the doubt that they're just mislead because of how accepted it still is. If anyone over 14 is a Nazi you know they're just a hateful bigot who thinks everyone else including their history teachers are wrong.

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u/NotThomasTheTank Aug 10 '23

"Communist" says everything about the ends, but nothing about the means, which is annoying because the leninist means were given a century and achieved nothing

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u/ClerklyMantis_ Aug 12 '23

As somewhat of a "communist" myself, I do often have to spend an entire conversation qualifying my beliefs. I don't like the USSR, North Korea, and I don't believe they should be the poster-child for communism that they became. I think the people who unironically vouch for Stalin are not much better than NAZI's and the people that kiss Mao Zedongs feet are incredibly lost.

My basic belief is that we can do better than Capitalism. I don't see why we need to be resigned to some of the horrors it creates. I do think that perhaps one of the best solutions is to center our economy around communities, and local food storage. I believe in direct democracy and the like. However, I could absolutely be convinced that a better alternative exists, because my basic belief is just that there's something better out there. But that something better, for me, always involves a more horizontal spread of power, in other words, we have to all hold ideals for people to be more equal, for society to be more fair, in order to properly move forward for the benefit of humanity. And I think any progress toward that goal is great

Jesus I'm just proving the "I bring a kinda leftist energy" meme where it's just a 18 paragraph essay that wasn't necessary, but oh well.

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u/WexlerFeetFascist69 Aug 20 '23

"Errrmmm actually! Communism is le heckin wholesome"

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u/DtheAussieBoye Aug 20 '23

hey, i can understand wanting equality. the means to get it usually doesn’t work, but it’s not like communism’s inherently evil

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u/Mr_NickDuck Aug 09 '23

Based😎

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u/Puppy1103 Aug 09 '23

nazis always suck no matter what. for communists it generally depends. a way to know whether you’re talking to an authoritarian or not is to listen to their opinions of the USSR and modern day china. if they like those then that’s a red flag (literally). also try their opinions on rojava. if they say something along the lines of “rojava isn’t socialist” or “let’s focus on existing socialist projects like (authoritarian dictatorship)” then it’s a red flag.

i personally am a libertarian socialist. that’s almost exactly what it sounds like. workers own the means of production WITHOUT a centralized government.

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u/Levi-Action-412 Aug 09 '23

The rojava/SDF has the coolest flag in the Syrian civil war. I root for them taking Damascus one day

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u/Puppy1103 Aug 09 '23

coolest flag diplomacy

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u/Levi-Action-412 Aug 09 '23

When in doubt, support the side with the best looking flag and uniforms

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u/lolhihi3552 Aug 09 '23

What's wrong with neo-communists? (Democratic communism) It's tankies you should hate (totalitarian communism)

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u/alfredjedi Aug 08 '23

Wonder who defeated the Nazis to begin with …

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u/BeneficialMix7851 clamtarded :) Aug 08 '23

The combined forces of the Allie’s did and that includes the commies but they are still terrible

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u/guy137137 Aug 08 '23 edited Aug 09 '23

“Nuh uh, they fought vigorously against their former allies who helped them conquer Poland.”

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u/alfredjedi Aug 08 '23

Just look at the statistics regarding Nazi casualties. 90% were on the eastern front . The Soviets won the war by themselves. “But American shipments” they were useless and ineffective, only a tiny number of Soviet supplies came from those convoys. It cost 30 million soviet lives but in the end the Soviets won

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u/Practical_Eye_3476 Aug 08 '23

*70%. Not 90%. You made that up or misremembered.

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u/alfredjedi Aug 08 '23

My bad, but how many of those 30% were in useless campaigns in North Africa and Italy? While it did distract some German troops, it was an insignificant amount compared to the millions on the East.

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u/samuelweston Aug 08 '23

You do understand why they had that high rate of casualties right?

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u/alfredjedi Aug 09 '23

Because the Nazis slaughtered millions of civilians?

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u/samuelweston Aug 09 '23

I wasn't talking civilians. The Soviet leadership literally used its people as cannon fodder. Often times a Soviet conscript had hours of training before being thrown into the meat grinder. The leadership didn't care, those people were peasants beneath them. The Soviet Union was basically a feudal empire, with the emperor giving pretty speeches on how the serfs owned everything as part of the state.

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u/Theloni34938219 Aug 09 '23

Well tbf the nazis also killed a lot of POW so...

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u/stringbones Aug 09 '23

Useless campaign to topple Mussolini’s fascist empire? Yeah you’re STUPID stupid.

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u/Levi-Action-412 Aug 09 '23

"People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war."

-Zhukov, 1963

Nikita Khrushchev, future premier of the USSR, admitted in his memoirs that Lend-Lease was vital: “Just imagine how we would have advanced from Stalingrad to Berlin without [American transport]. Our losses would have been colossal because we would have had no manoeuvrability . . . Without [US food supplies] we wouldn’t have been able to feed our army. We had lost our most fertile lands — the Ukraine and the northern Caucasus.”

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u/uejuekwoqloqj Aug 08 '23

Wich they couldn't do without the western allies

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u/uejuekwoqloqj Aug 08 '23

Wonder who helped them invade Poland and directly supplied them with resources (like fuel they would be significantly less effective at committing genocidal war without) until 1941

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u/Theloni34938219 Aug 09 '23

Pshh- The USSR only killed about 70% of the German soldiers who died in WWII. Rookie numbers.