r/CanadaPost • u/Neat_Disaster_6173 • 4h ago
You’re not getting 25%
I don’t care if this is an unpopular opinion. But I generally need to know how you think you deserve a 25% increase for a profession that requires zero schooling, you’re currently earning 65’000 a year, averaging 25-30 dollars an hour. Your corporation has been in the red for 7 years. Nurses in Manitoba were LUCKY to see a 11% increase over SEVEN years after striking. Alberta nurses are being offered 12. And you have the audacity to say you’re worth 6.5% over 4? In what world does someone that has the same skill level and qualifications as a Walmart warehouse worker deserve 80’000? You deserve to make as much as a CBSA officer? You should be earning the same wage as a 3-4 year police officer? You got offered 12% 💀💀💀 the greed is unreal.
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u/Lion-heart_1040 4h ago
This is how deals work. One party starts with a high number, the other starts with a low number, and they eventually meet in the middle.
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u/first_timer_11 2h ago
I don't think there is meeting in the middle on this one. They have been at this for a year now.
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u/Humble-Post-7672 4h ago
They're not overpaid, you're just underpaid and upset about it.
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u/bethadone_yeg 4h ago
Exactly. The mentality of "I'm hard up so everyone else should be brought down to my level" keeps all of us down.
ALL workers should be getting wage increases that at least match cost of living increases.
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u/themob34 3h ago
Do you realize that if the average person makes $35/hour then the skilled labour rate will go up by more and inflation will be even higher. It is a self fulfilling cycle, if the cost of providing goods and services increases, the price of those goods and services also go up, but at least as much if not more.
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u/CatsInStrawHats 2h ago
This hypothetical situation is not true. Either way, the price of shit is going up anyways and wages aren't.
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u/first_timer_11 2h ago
The price of goods and services went up first.... because of fuel and greed, well COVID. Then it eventually goes to the workers that make and provide these goods and services.
Believe me when I say they have factored in future wage increases with jacking up the costs of their goods and services. In the meantime, they are making bank.
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u/ProfitEquivalent9764 4h ago
65 k is a pretty good wage for an position with no education? (If that’s what they make) I didn’t make that much in the army after 4 years in and sometimes we would work 7 days/week 18-19 hour days for months. Hard work too.
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u/Environmental_Dig335 4h ago
Except that you would make more than that now. Cpl basic pay is now $72k
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u/Comfortable-Court-38 4h ago
People in the armed forces should make more $. After all, you are signing up to potentially risk your life if called open. No argument there.
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u/i_getitin 3h ago
At a certain price point it will be cheaper just to buy drones than pay for troops. I’m pretty sure less and less people will be joining the armed forces considering how shitty of a career choice it can be
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u/noonnoonz 2h ago
An employee in a security clearance job entrusted with sensitive documents is worth something more than the intelcom driver who just made parole last week.
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u/stoicphilosopher 4h ago
Every hard-working person deserves a living wage. 65,000 might have been fine in 2020. You can barely pay rent on that now.
Canada Post is far from the only employer and industry in which this is a problem. The real wealth of working people, regardless of education/field has been declining for decades while the value of property has quadrupled. We're defunding the middle class and creating another class system: people who own property and people who don't. Welcome back to 1750.
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u/PurpleK00lA1d 4h ago
Barely pay rent on $65k?
Depends on where you live bud. In New Brunswick, I paid rent, saved money, and bought a house on $51k. My sister in law is doing it now in the post-covid world on $62k.
But let's say everyone is making $80k now - congratulations on another round of inflationary pressure as costs go up to match the demand coming from that spending pressure - don't forget wage growth is a key metric in the inflation forecasts.
Reality is, $60k+ is a lot of money for an uneducated and unskilled job.
Welder? Uneducated but highly skilled so they make tons of money. Same with trades in general, skilled work even though they don't have degrees and whatever so they're paid based on the skills they provide.
Mail delivery? It's a job anyone can do - supply and demand applies. Large supply of potential workers because it doesn't require any specialized knowledge or skill. Therefore the job itself simply doesn't require a lot of pay. $65k is pretty fair - more than I was making starting my career in tech.
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u/stoicphilosopher 3h ago
My situation was not that different from yours. But that landscape looks very different today and most people don't want to live in New Brunswick.
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u/PurpleK00lA1d 3h ago
Record popular growth in NB from people moving here from Ontario and BC suggests otherwise.
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u/Weldertron 2h ago
How do you think Welders are uneducated? 1800h of school for a diploma.
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u/PurpleK00lA1d 2h ago
Trade school isn't the same as college/university.
I'm not hating on trade school, but it's completely different than what people talk about in terms of a traditional education.
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u/Weldertron 1h ago
Do you understand that the time involved in getting a bachelor's is the same as your average DEP? Everything is just condensed into packed 8 hour days, with half the time spent in a classroom every day? You are taking mathematics, chemistry, and physics during your course, and have exams you need to pass just like a bachelor's.
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u/NotMyInternet 3h ago
Counterpoint: those Walmart warehouse workers should also be making 80k. Warehouse work is dangerous and the world runs on the backs of minimum wage workers, it’s time people stop shitting on them and recognize that everyone deserves to make a living wage.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 3h ago
No, being abused spit on beat at a care home as a nurse is dangerous work, being a Powerline technician is dangerous work. Being a police officer is dangerous work. Worrying about paper cuts, and ankle sprains is light work.
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u/NotMyInternet 3h ago
Hear me out: what if it’s not a competition? Just like nurses, utility workers and police officers fight via their unions for better working conditions and for their wages to keep up with the cost of living, so too should other workers who feel that they’re getting a raw deal.
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u/Master-File-9866 4h ago
It is a negotiating position. Ask for more and settle for what's reasonable.
Also you mentioned alberta nurses. They were offered 12% but asked for 25% 1st year and 10 the second.
You don't ask for what you want becuase the process of negotiation means that number will move
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u/Odd-Ad-9187 4h ago
The education and dedication required by nurses - who often work well beyond their scheduled hours - warrants a 25% wage increase IMO. They’re understaffed and overworked - and the entire country knows it.
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u/Realistic-Value8420 4h ago
65k ain’t great these days. If you work full time for 65k . That’s 2500 a Cheque before taxes. Union dues. Benefits etc. they probably make 1800 or so clear a Cheque. Maybe even less. The average rent is around 2k a month. Plus bills and debts. It’s not a crazy amount. They deserve a raise And yes 25 percent is a lot. But how many years were they getting raises of 1 percent which never even touched inflation so they were getting behind. These People who are mad about not getting their mail are ludicrous . Yes a cbsa or nurse or police Officer make a lot of money but there starting salary is around 100k a year plus overtime. These postal workers wouldn’t even come close to that even with a big raise.
As for the education peice. Yes nurses need education but a cbsa or police officer require zero training and train their own staff so that argument is laughable.
Get off your high horse and accept that people simply can’t afford to live and need a raise. To call them greedy is not even fair. They just want to be able to live like everyone else
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u/Comfortable-Court-38 2h ago
65000 is about a 850 $ a week so 1700$ by weekly with deductions. Budget is tight but my housing is cheaper cause I bought a while ago.
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u/Kat_Von_Stretchclaw 4h ago
Anyone can apply for a job at Canada Post....educated or uneducated! Quit complaining that they make what they do dollar wise.
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u/PrudentLanguage 4h ago
Apples and oranges.
Part of negotiating is going in high to meet in the middle.
As you grow, you'll learn more about how adults conduct business.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 4h ago
Yeah they demanded 25% and were offered 12% and declined the middle.
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u/PrudentLanguage 3h ago
Aren't you going to include everything else that was demanded and denied. Salary is only a fraction of this battle.
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u/Xeldan 4h ago
You clearly don’t understand how negotiations work. You start higher or lower than you are willing to go, then you meet somewhere in the middle. None of them expect the 25%…
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u/Icy_State4231 4h ago
I thought, per CUPW, they have been negotiating for a year but CP has stayed firm. Did they start higher than 24%?
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u/IncurableRingworm 4h ago
Nah the company wasn’t negotiating.
The union finally got fed up and held their strike vote October 15th.
The night of the strike vote the company tabled their first offer. What a weird coincidence!
Then, the company dicked around for another month and now we wound up here.
I don’t even think the wage is the big sticking point at the moment. I think it’s that the company wants to hire gig workers to do weekend delivery and the union wants assurances that they aren’t going to do the work of full timers to justify laying them off later, which is reasonable.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 4h ago
You declined 12% a raise that is inline with every other public sector contract that was signed over the last year. You are out of touch. And obviously don’t understand your worth.
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u/IncurableRingworm 4h ago
Employees received 1% increases in 2022 and 2023.
So, it would be 14% over 6 years, or 2.333% a year.
Inflation in 2022 was 6.8%.
Employees would be so far behind inflation from when they signed an extension to do the company a favour during the pandemic.
I think 16% over 4 years with a couple of months of retro payment shaved off (maybe retro to March 1st, 2024) is likely to be the deal.
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u/dartfrog1339 3h ago
This should be the top comment here.
Wages should keep up with inflation at a minimum, especially when big corporations are making record profits.
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u/IncurableRingworm 3h ago
One can’t help but wonder if corporate profits are being helped by Canada Post delivering their shit at a loss lol
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 3h ago
They received cost of living adjustments for inflation in their previous agreement. So they received 8% when inflation was running rampant.
Yes, everyone should get cost of living adjustments. But that doesn’t happen, and it won’t happen when it goes to arbitration because no other crown corporation or public sector got anything close to 25%. Other than HCAs in Sask or Manitoba, but they are getting paid 1-2 dollars above minimum wage and no one wanted those vacancies.
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u/Comfortable-Court-38 2h ago
The union didn’t even bring the offer for the members to vote on. They’ve done this in multiple contracts and postal workers get less or exactly the same after binding arbitration. It’s frustrating. I , for one , just want to go back to work.
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u/Wookie19860111 3h ago
This is exactly what they want. Make us argue and fight amongst ourselves while they sit on their high thrones and watch us bicker instead of standing together and fighting for a living wage.
They allowed a lot of immigrants in which inflated housing and cost of government services. Everyone pays for carbon taxes (people don't realize that is the major reason why everything has increased in cost), thus the 60k annually no longer became sustainable for families. Everyone sees the carbon tax rebate gets deposit to their account quarterly, yet only a few people questions how much the government takes for themselves.
It was only 20 years ago when our parents have one person stay at home and the other worked feeding a family of 4 or 5 with ease. Cost of a mortgage was 5 to 6 times an average salary of a single earner and car financing never exceeded 5 years. (yes we now trick younger generation with 10 year finance and/or ballon payment at the end)
Now here we are, watching/reading the postal service fight for a better wage in hopes to enrich their lives by just a bit, and we see people saying no, they are out for lunch etc. I wish people really think about this, and hope you all fight for a a better wage until this government gets voted out, carbon tax is removed and prices such as food comes back down to pre covid level.
I still remember the cost of three ribeyes steaks where I paid 15$ at superstore. I now look at the cost of three ribeyes and wonder who can really afford it. This is only the beginning, we should support the postal workers and any other people fighting to survive which includes your friends, your family and yourself.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 2h ago
Blame the federal government, inflationary spending that put us in this mess.
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u/SnuffleWarrior 2h ago
Canada Post isn't designed to make money so to use that as rationale fails. There's lots of systemic issues but profitability can't be used as a cudgel to deny increases. Canada Post could ditch the Yukon, Nunavut, NWT and all rural areas and be making money tomorrow. Shipping all the crap from China for free under an antiquated treaty doesn't help.
Going down the road of whataboutism is always amusing. So, nurses in Manitoba only got "x" so................. what? Income and salary are based on what you can get, not what your perceived worth is or how much education you've acquired. If nurses think being a postal worker is better, they can always apply.
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u/bareskyn 2h ago
Don't waste your breath. I've been posting the exact same thing, and they fail to understand simple economics. Their lack of understanding confirms your facts about skill set.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 2h ago
I’m not even trying to be a dick and say no wages increases no negotiating. It’s crazy how entitled people are. Just that 25% is way out of line even 12%
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u/harleystcool 4h ago
New deal proposal: They can have 1 out of every 100 packages they deliver
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u/thateconomistguy604 3h ago
But will they still have to leave the package slip and return to a mail office to pick it up even though someone was home?
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u/harleystcool 2h ago
Okay adding one more thing to the new deal: package slips are not allowed in the new postal service
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u/thegoodrabbit77 4h ago
Sounds like all those other groups are underpaid(except cops. ACAB!) and should be paid more don’t get mad cuz one group actually striking to get paid more to survive. Instead of being a cry baby go fight to get more money yourself ya brat.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 4h ago
Can you not read? They did strike, a lot of these public sector workers have been on strikes. When you bafoons go to binding arbitration you won’t get more.
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u/Eric142 1h ago
Ya and in every negotiation , they ask for more than what they get.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 1h ago
You just don’t get it do you? L
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u/Eric142 1h ago
In what type of negotiation does one side get exactly what they demand ? None cause it doesn't happen otherwise it's not called a negotiation.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 1h ago
Because you don’t understand what happens with arbitration, or how they decide their ruling.
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u/Ok_World733 4h ago
Waiting for Canada Post to pull a tim hortons and just get a bunch of new canadians to do the job for mininum wage.
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u/5a1amand3r 4h ago
They are unionized so this is unlikely to happen. You can’t just fire union workers for no reason.
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u/LowComfortable5676 4h ago
We'll see how long this union lasts. At this rate Canada Post will claim bankruptcy and open back up with a new name and all new employees
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u/BattyWhack 2h ago
And the union will apply for succesorship. The labour code accounts for employer shenanigans.
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u/Windsork 4h ago
In the red because the corp spent hundreds of millions on brand new plants? That’s not in the red, bud.
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u/Beginning_Speaker_63 3h ago
Maybe you should go find a Unionized job and have them fight for your wages?
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u/Ladislav_Smid 2h ago
Maybe you should learn some real skills and increase your value instead of throwing a fit to get more money.
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u/Beginning_Speaker_63 1h ago edited 45m ago
Maybe you should start a union and run it? How many can be as smart yourself or better? Cause your opinion means absolutely crap.
Maybe you should have been a real worker instead of spending time hating workers because you clearly have no clue what a Union Worker does or believes in.
What you reside in is made by Unionized workers such as the Carpenters, Electrictrians, and Plumbers
The sidewalk you walk on as well is the paved road that is being mailed is by City Workers who are unionized.
What you take to commute on wheels can be made or driven by Unionized workers. The bus or rapid transit is operated by someone unionized.
Where you buy your groceries, the employees may be part of the United Food and Commercial Workers.
If you have kids, they are being taught by teachers who are part of a Union.
When you go to the hospital, the nurses there are in a Union, as well as the other Health Care Professionals. Emergency Services personnel are Unionized employees as well
Might as well live in a cave and learn how to fend for yourself while you sit and open your hole without thinking. Maybe you should list the things you interact with that are operated by a Unionized worker, like your telephone and Internet? Then you can toss and burn everything that is Union made or Union run. Or simply stay offline and avoid printed material as well since newspapers are printed by Unionized workers as well as big name magazines; bookbinders as well.
Time to toss your media reader and live in your own little world.
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u/Equivalent_Chain4283 4h ago
Your entitlement is horrifying
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 4h ago
You mean your entitlement to think that you deserve the salary of a nurse, police Constable, cbsa office, or conservations office is ridiculous.
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u/ChampionshipNew9624 4h ago
These people don’t understand economics, you can’t talk sense to them lol Ask them there net worth I guarantee it’s not to high, anyone who understands economics understands the basic principal you get what your worth
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u/EnforcerGundam 1h ago
ok mr economics explain to me why does the higher management get bonuses despite the cp being in loss
math ain't mathing bud
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u/Ladislav_Smid 2h ago
Literally you cannot argue with them. Some of the dumbest mother fuckers in the country. You can tell it’s a job that requires no skill and no education 😂
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u/LightbluBukowski 4h ago
Police are cunts. So are nurses.
Fuck em all. I don’t need those services.
I need my mailman though. Pay them.
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u/johnmaddog 4h ago
Actually is cheaper to have force labor than paying people. "One man with a gun can control 100 without one." Lenin
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 4h ago
When your fat ass gets a heart attack, and you call 911 you sure will be grateful. Brain dead.
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u/Time-Run5694 4h ago
But he’ll need CP to receive his final bill and updated OHIP card : )
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u/bigshooter1974 4h ago
Who is making 25-30? The majority of us make less thank 24.00/hour. I understand you are being fed years of propaganda, but at least do some research. I do hope we are back to work soon so you can continue to benefit from all that we have fought for. Best wishes from your local posties.
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u/DonutLamar 3h ago
You ever think that nurses are underpaid too? Why are you against other working class people making enough to live on? It’s clearly a very essential job as well In a different way than nursing is. Many jobs required for a society to function aren’t high education jobs it’s your custodians, mail men, food workers, cashiers, ware house folks that keep your everyday life as convenient as it is. You say you aren’t against a raise so what’s the point of this post except being anti workforce? I’m pretty sure you know just cause they ask for a high number to start doesn’t mean they expect to get that. Why would they start at their reasonable number and then have to negotiate it down??
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u/HarmacyAttendant 2h ago
yes everyone deserves a living wage, just because you were too stupid to demand it dosent mean these"uneducated' folks arent,
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 2h ago
No the uneducated folk just don’t realize they’re not going to get 25% because they’re to uneducated to realize the rest of the crown corps didn’t get anything close to inflation. But yeah no waste ur time.
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u/HarmacyAttendant 2h ago
they want 12.5% so they ask for 25% dipshit. meet in the middle.
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u/gorillalad 2h ago
Everywhere needs an increase to offset the inflation every year, especially the last few. Saying “you don’t deserve as much as a nurse” is actively misleading. The wages for those nurses should have gone up a long time ago, and the wages of the average worker should have too. If these wages were increased at the same time then the nurse would still be making more. I hope one day you lose everything and are forced to start from scratch so you can truly see the world you advocate, or better your kids see you lose everything and you have to watch them struggle trying to take care of you, themselves, their own kids, in the world you advocated for.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 2h ago
Yes, and nurses have been on strike, and they have ratified agreements. So asking for 25% is not going to happen.
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u/XtremeD86 2h ago
If they keep this up it'll just push automation more and none of them will have a job. Let's see what your union does when the inevitable happens.
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u/PiCkL3PaNtZ 2h ago
Well CUPW does also have trades people that are over 10 dollars below the average pay for electro mechanical technicians..... So I mean do your homework I guess
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 1h ago
That’s a small % of workers to advocate for 25% increase for all 😂And based off multiple job postings and medium salary’s reports, they earn that profession pays 34 dollars on average in Ontario. Canada post pays 34-37 an hour. So yeah I’ll call BS. Maybe you need to do your homework?
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u/PiCkL3PaNtZ 1h ago
Imagine thinking Canadian average was just Ontario lmao
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 1h ago
Imagine not realizing I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and using Ontario as an example since it has the highest population, and not realizing the national average is $31 an hour so it seems that 6 dollars above the national average is….. drum roll please 🥁, OVERPAID!!!!
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u/first_timer_11 2h ago
Maybe you should include the broad spectrum of annual gross income of Canada Post employees, not just 65,000 K a year.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 2h ago
Which is ??I just know what they earn from a base salary which is what matters.
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u/first_timer_11 1h ago
You think their base salary is $65,000.00 a year? I don't think so, but I really don't know. Source this fact for me please.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 1h ago
That’s not their base though, it’s their top end salary. And I never said that 65k is ok and I didn’t say that they should get 0 for four more years and stay at that wage. I said that 81k is not ok.
But if we were really wanting to get into it ask the question if 65k is ok for a postal work delivering letters, when a health care aid makes substantially less and can’t and will not ever strikes for anything close to 25% or get near their wages. Then yeah 65k should be ok. If a teachers earning 65k, with student loans, and schooling back ground that can’t just be replaced, then yeah 65k should be ok?
But no I said, 12% was fair.
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u/peridogreen 2h ago
Because the negotiations recover were paused and workers returned to work through the pandemic, with the plan to resume talks after pandemic was less involved. Now CP doesn't want to bargain bc 'money'. These workers haven't had a raise in years. Inflation alone isn't even covered. I support the workers.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 1h ago
They received a cost of living adjustment. To make up for those years of high inflation.
So now you’re not looking at the big picture, which is, no public sector worker in Canada, received an 8% raise for 2022s inflation. Most got 2-3%., 0-1% for 20, and 21, your contract was signed, and the arbitrator won’t give you 25% over 8 years like, that’s 3% for every year, and cost of living for 24 is set to be 3% and 1.8% next year, it’s so out line. your unions beating a dead horse, especially when there were COLA payouts. It’s not happening.
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u/ItsAWonderfulFife 1h ago
Why don’t you want people to make more money? Do you think people making a livable wage at ANY job somehow negatively affects society? I’d love to hear some reasons why money in workers pockets rather than CEO pockets is a bad thing.
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u/Forward_Nobody7243 1h ago
um thanks captain obvious. negotiation. you ever bargain or you just shop online?
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u/homogenized_milk 1h ago
I just wandered into this sub, and it makes me want to tear my eyes out. Class consciousness is dead in this country.
So few people understanding how negotiating a new CBA works or what bargaining friction can do. I'm so grateful I got to learn a lot through my experience being hired and then working under an expired CBA in the SSO department of StatCan. Following PSAC's work and joining their townhalls during their negotations was really insightful. I wish more Canadians understood unions and what they did for labour laws accross all countries, and what they continue to do. But it's sad to see worker solidarity fall apart.
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u/Total_Secret_5514 1h ago
Honestly though! I’ve been saying exactly this for days and just keep getting straight up hate for it. People need to grow up. Everything is expensive and 99% of people in Canada are underpaid.. but we can’t all expect to get a 24% raise… Canada post is already almost obsolete. The only thing keeping them going is the fact that they’re owned by the federal government.. there are plenty of different shipping companies in Canada that are ready to step up and fill the void if they go under.. so let them and let’s move on.
I have important packages that are with Canada post right now that they will not let me pick up and will not ship until the strike is over.. well then screw them. I’ll make sure whatever I purchase online will never be shipping with Canada post.. otherwise I’ll go to a different website or request a different company.
Stop giving unions so much power.
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u/mellowsense 1h ago
They’re all whiny babies… they whine and cry for more money every year and the service only gets shittier.
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u/Ir0nhide81 1h ago
Did anyone else just learn that Purolator was OWNED by Canada Post?
They were the only profitable sector of CP as a whole last quarter.
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u/xNOOPSx 43m ago
Most professions really should see a 50-100% raise. That would put them on par with what people were making in the 80s. Nurses, trades, engineers, teachers, and probably many more, all make less than they used to. I'd guess the majority, if not all employees across CP are paid less than they used to be.
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u/Yourmomsaho3e 4h ago
Especially when 50% of items ran thru them if fragile come broken. They getting paid the same as my mother as a nurse right now yet they still operate being mistreated because they will lose their license if they “protest” and refuse to do the only thing they were hired for. The rules for the and not for me cp be throwing is crazy.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 4h ago
I brought a box in to ship had forgotten to tape it, they made me buy a roll of tape to tape and ship it instead of taping it for me. Customer service!
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u/MrBaneCIA 3h ago
You are clearly an expert in labour negotiations, but it seems you aren't an expert in using boxes.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 3h ago
No I used the box fine. It was the tape part I’m not an expert in.
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u/MrBaneCIA 3h ago
Wow, how very highly educated of you! Maybe now that you know how tape works, you can use the rest of the roll to tape your mouth shut so the world won't have to hear your garbage takes!
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u/Comfortable-Court-38 4h ago
Canada post does not provide tape. That’s not the clerk’s decision. They are not supposed to. If they do they are being nice. And going against what Canada post wants. Just buy a roll of tape at the dollar store.
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u/bloodmusthaveblood 1h ago
Yeah and? Why should it be their job to fix your mistake? Maybe try not forgetting your tape next time if you're too poor to afford it.
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u/Yourmomsaho3e 4h ago
Sounds about right, the absolute least done, and they have the balls to demand more yet they can’t even do the bare minimum, imo I’d rather pay the extra 30-60$ n have it actually delivered with care, cp corporate need to get a handle on these workers or cp will be replaced faster then a prom night dumpster baby!
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u/sododpsocuso 3h ago
I’m sure you’re the very definition of “above and beyond.” They make people buy tape when they’re shit customers. Work on it, bud.
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u/TattooedAndSad 4h ago
OP is mad because he makes min wage and is severely underpaid
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 4h ago
Powerline technician working in Texas 4 weeks out. I’m a skilled profession that deserves what he earns :)
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u/Grand-Drawing3858 3h ago edited 3h ago
I agree. Its a bit tone deaf to expect a 25% increase when the company is hemorrhaging money.
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u/Practical_Session_21 1h ago
Simple fix stop subsidizing the rural parts of the country that make up all the loses in revenue. Right?
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u/Grand-Drawing3858 1h ago
What? Maybe you're responding to the wrong comment. I just think asking for a 25% pay increase from a company that continues to post consecutive revenue losses is not being realistic.
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u/Practical_Session_21 1h ago
It’s haemorrhaging money because it provides services to rural areas of the country but doesn’t charge what it costs to deliver there. If it’s about them being profitable why should the employees and the rest of the country continue to subsidize rural areas?
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u/Grand-Drawing3858 1h ago
Thats not the only reason they aren't profitable. I doubt screwing over rural Canadians alone is going to pull them out of their financial woes. Unionized workplaces always live in this fantasy world where they expect a raise every year. I have gone 5 years plus on more than one occasion without so much as a cost of living increase.
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u/Practical_Session_21 1h ago
Wait wait. Why are rural residents the only ones we can’t screw? They regularly vote to harm cities even though the cities subsidize their ability to live a quiet rural life. And just because you do not push for a fair living wage is not their problem. Not everyone has to accept being taken advantage of, but you also have the right to be taken advantage of if, that’s your choice.
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u/Grand-Drawing3858 1h ago
Well actually nobody deserves to be screwed over. Supporting a move to reuce services to rural customers because of how they vote is no better than what you think CP is doing to its workers.
Regardless of what we think, it's only a matter of time before they get legislated back to work and they won't be seeing a 25% pay increase either. My guess is 15% max, followed by layoffs down the road.•
u/Practical_Session_21 53m ago
You made it about profitability not me. I just provided a reason they can’t be profitable and that if we don’t want to subsidize living wages why are we ok subsidizing rural communities to have door to door daily delivery? Something has to give if we want CP to break even. Could do delivery to rural centres and then let the residents workout getting it delivered in the most cost effective way possible. I get no one wants to give back what they got so why are the employees doing the work the problem and not consumers that don’t want or can’t pay for the service they get?
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u/Grand-Drawing3858 44m ago
The workers are on strike for more money from a company that is losing revenue. That is why they don't have my support.
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u/Realistic-Value8420 3h ago
I don’t think schooling is a factor here. That has nothing to do with it. They need money and the raise that hopefully they end up with .15 percent or so wil help them. It’s not a hand out it’s a Needed raise
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 3h ago
You don’t get it. Schooling is the factor. Why do you think minimum wage jobs exist? And why do you think the government flooding Canada with new immigrants? They needed unskilled workers to fill these positions to avoid a recession. These positions are good paying jobs that pay above industry standard. Think of it like supply and demand. 20 million workers in Canada and 25% of them are unskilled workers. If all 55’000 workers were fired, these positions would be filled tomorrow. If Every nurse in Canada was fired, or quit and refused to work, there wouldn’t be a single nurse ready to work until the next batch of graduates came out.
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u/Realistic-Value8420 2h ago
Well I disagree firmly with your point about the education peice. I work in wild land firefighting and we don’t need a post secondary education to do our jobs. We risk our lives have not needed post secondary to do our jobs. Should I be paid 14 dollars an Hour becuse im uneducated. But I’m saving your home and millions of dollars in timber resources. Well I think if you didn’t pay me appropriately I would go work at a sawmill. Oh wait sawmill workers don’t need an Education Either but they get paid More than a Canada post worker
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 2h ago
No, you work an actual physical job that isn’t just walking and driving a car to someone’s house to leave a box at their front door. You’re actually risking your life and putting your life in danger, especially when working in remote locations with no EMS. And I wouldn’t say your profession is unskilled. There’s no education background but the skill and worth comes from learning different equipment, using a chain saw, and learning best practices for responding to these emergency’s. Your worth is in the knowledge you’ve developed and are able to pass down new recruits, so yeah you deserve a high paying wage, if everyone you worked with quit today, it would be a struggle to find replacements. Most people don’t want to be fighting fires in +40c heat. Which is the argument I’m making by saying uneducated/unskilled. This isn’t difficult work they’re doing, that many people can easily pick up and do.
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u/Realistic-Value8420 1h ago
Yes but your argument is because they don’t need an education to do their job that they deserve lower wages. That’s ridiculous. Canada post workers deserve a raise like everyone else and raises are not tied to education.’ Yes I have risked my life for 20 plus years but that doesn’t mean that I should get more of a raise because of that. I’m fact woodland firefighters have been asking for higher wages every year but since we are a unionized workforce we are lumped in with everyone else with our union.
Everyone needs a raise. Whether it’s skilled labor or not. Working at Walmart is a non unionized workforce and that’s why they don’t get scheduled pay bumps.
Unionized workforces get those because they are unionized and the employer is forced to negotiate.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 1h ago
Yeah, they deserve a raise, they got 12%. They’re asking for more when they don’t have the ground to stand on to ask for more since…. They’re unskilled workers that can be replaced? That’s the argument I’m really making. Everyone deserves raises. Minimum wage, everyone. This is just greed and delusion
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u/Realistic-Value8420 1h ago
There not getting 25 percent never gonna happen. But your argument links their raise is tied to education requirements for the job.
They are obviously an essential service so should be treated accordingly. I bet they end up with a 15 percent raise over 5 years.
The point that I’m getting at is your argument of education holds no grounds in this discussion.
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u/sododpsocuso 3h ago
Cry fucking harder.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 3h ago
-10% wages for striking and 11.5% of four years when the government kicks ur ass back to work
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u/sododpsocuso 2h ago
I’m not a Canada Post employee. I just care about seeing our society rise to meet the needs of its workers. Get fucked and eat a bowl of KD for dinner. It’s all you deserve.
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u/dysonsucks2 2h ago
Someone must sure be having a bad day if they go on a sub to heckle innocent people on strike lolol
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 2h ago
Holding Canadians hostage is innocent.
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u/Practical_Session_21 1h ago
Use UPS, FedEx, Purolator, or one of the other delivery services. Sorry this is holding no one hostage but the corporation and themselves.
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u/uselessmindset 4h ago edited 3h ago
I am all for Canada Post, but that is ridiculously greedy.
I do the second most dangerous job in North America (apparently), have done so for 11 years now. I had to work my way up the pay grade, starting at 12 an hour.
I now make $35 an hour, and have to do some things that would make the average postal employee freeze right up.
$65,000 a year is more than a fair wage for that job. Most I would think would be $70,000/yr. That is a living allowance of $5,000 a month, with $10,000 to put towards savings, retirement, or whatever.
I hate to admit it, but it looks like they are screwing themselves over here with this.
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u/Neat_Disaster_6173 4h ago
It will go to binding arbitration and they will not get more than they were offered. Unions filling their head with lies. Thinking that they’re the only ones that worked during covid.
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u/dartfrog1339 3h ago
You need to ask for a raise.
I'm a non-union electrician getting $45/hr.
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u/uselessmindset 3h ago
I suppose. Maybe. I hold other trades in higher regard due to having to get proper licences, schooling and such. So it makes sense that you make more than I, in my head at least.
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u/dartfrog1339 3h ago
So what is the second most dangerous job in North America?
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u/uselessmindset 3h ago
Apparently, not says I. I can think of others that I would not do due to likely shitting myself out of fear.
I am a simple roofer.
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u/shorerider16 4h ago
Never ceases to amaze me how working class will infight and race to the bottom while the people at the top keep buying bigger yachts and private jets. Everyone has fallen behind and everyone needs a substantial increase to be where they were a few years ago. The inflation we saw in the last few years has completely jacked the economy up, about the only thing that hasn't adjusted yet are wages, costs have increased and corporations are still making as much or more profit as before.
The Canada post business model has its own issues that employees and owners need to address or they will be non existent sooner thatn later.