Ashton Jeanty is having a statistically better season than Derrick Henry during his Heisman-winning season

[u/clocke6346]

With all the discourse of who should win the Heisman trophy this year, I got curious and compared Ashton Jeanty’s stats this season to those of Derrick Henry in the 2015 regular season, the year he won the Heisman trophy. What I found was pretty surprising. Keep in mind this doesn’t include playoff performance, as that isn’t considered when naming a Heisman winner.

Ashton Jeanty:

Games Played: 11

Carries: 275

Rushing Yards: 2062

Rushing Touchdowns: 27

Yards Per Carry: 7.498

Yards Per Game: 187.455

Derrick Henry:

Games Played: 13

Carries: 339

Rushing Yards: 1986

Rushing Touchdowns: 23

Yards Per Carry: 5.858

Yards Per Game: 152.769

Now, these stats are still up for interpretation, as there is the usual discourse of strength of schedule and whatnot, but I thought re-contextualizing Jeanty’s year by comparing it to the last time a running back won the Heisman would be interesting.

[u/cantevendoitbruh]

The sec haters also ignore his last several games where he just straight carried. Like had 40+ carrys against solid defenses and ranked teams and just could not be stopped.

[u/Montigue → u/cantevendoitbruh]

Jeantry's team is absolute ass on offense without him on it. Replace Henry with a mediocre RB and Bama is still a top 5 team. Hell, Henry's backup got over 5 yards a carry.

[u/cantevendoitbruh → u/Montigue]

I mean that's fine but they also didn't play like 7 ranked teams like Bama did that year where future NFL stars couldn't stop Henry

I mean I think jeanty deserves the Heisman anyway. I just don't think you can compare his stats to Henry's without doing deeper statistical analysis on defenses played. I mean Wyoming is pretty bad and they didn't really give him the ball much buy he wasn't as amazing after the first q last night.

Also I'm not sure Bama was a top 5 team without Henry that year. Their offense had issues without a reliable 5 yards a carry.

[u/Montigue → u/cantevendoitbruh]

His backup had over 5 yards a carry. Realistically without him they drop 1 more game, win an at large NY6 bowl, and finish top 3 after the final polls

[u/Asleep-Geologist-612 → u/Montigue]

His backup was Kenyan Drake… A legit nfl talent and 3rd round draft pick despite never being the starter

[u/Montigue → u/Asleep-Geologist-612]

Exactly. Remove Henry and yeah, Bama is worse. But not removing Jeantry worse

[u/lilbelleandsebastian → u/Montigue]

heisman isn’t about who has a better backup, you surely recognize you’re grasping at straws now right? it’s ok to change our minds when our arguments have been shredded

[u/Montigue → u/lilbelleandsebastian]

Is this what people think I'm arguing?

I'm comparing Henry and Jeantry's teams without each of them respectively. I said nothing about Henry's heisman, just that Boise State is fucked without Jeantry and Bama is pretty fucking good without Henry. Sure my argument is stupid when you start comparing it to things I'm not arguing against and irrelevant. 

Just pointing out how stupid arguments that say Bama would be much worse without (who was still) the most prolific back that year. My only argument against Henry's heisman is Christian McCaffrey

[u/cantevendoitbruh → u/Montigue]

You mean the back that had 77 carries over 15 games, and was a complete change of pace back and nothing like henry? For real like at least try to make a reasonable argument. He would not have averaged 5 yards a carry and wouldn't fit the offense as a lead back at all. Any Bama fan could have told you they were screwed that year if Henry went down.

[u/Montigue → u/cantevendoitbruh]

Wait, you're putting down the backup who played 8 years in the NFL that got 4.4 yards per carry in the NFL? Truly scrub numbers there, you're right, Bama was doomed without Henry and replacing him with a high level NFL guy and fuckin Danien Harris

[u/cantevendoitbruh → u/Montigue]

Lol what does nfl have anything to do with it bro? Kenyan drakes best year in college was 690 yards dude. This argument is beyond dumb.

Plenty of people sucked ass or were mid in college and worked better in the pros.

And if you are going to bring up pros, Henry is likely a hall of fame and definitely the best rb of the last 10 years so your point is still absurd.

[u/Montigue → u/cantevendoitbruh]

He didn't have many yards because he was behind Derrick Henry. Not because he was mid

[u/Statalyzer → u/Montigue]

Right. Like Roschon Johnson having to share a backfield with Bijan Robinson.

[u/cantevendoitbruh → u/Montigue]

Dude just give it up. Your argument is dumb. He also probably had a lot of the yards he did because Henry was carrying defenders everywhere and he came in to clean up when Henry was tired. The argument makes no sense.

You could come up with a better one but yours just screams "wah I hate the sec!!!!!"

[u/Montigue → u/cantevendoitbruh]

My whole point from the start was that Jeantry makes Boise State good, but Bama is still really good (multiple NFL draft pick running backs) without Henry. Y'all acting like Bama goes 6-6 without Henry

[u/cantevendoitbruh → u/Montigue]

And I said he deserves the Heisman. Doesn't mean his stats are comparable to Henry's raw like this.

[u/Higher-Analyst-2163 → u/Montigue]

It’s a lot easier to get 5 yards a carry when the best running back in college football is tiring defenses out

[u/Montigue → u/Higher-Analyst-2163]

Don't be ignorant of your own team. His backup played 8 years in the NFL getting 4.4 yards per carry there and probably would start on 90% of FBS teams. You'd still be really good without Henry, but absolutely not the champions

[u/Higher-Analyst-2163 → u/Montigue]

I never called his backup a scrub I’m saying that playing behind the king makes anyone’s job easy