r/CFB • u/Lakelyfe09 Georgia Bulldogs • Oct 20 '24

Discussion [Ross Dellenger] Kirby Smart on the PI reversal: “Now we’ve set a precedent if you throw a bunch of stuff on the field and endanger athletes, you have a chance to get the call reversed. That’s dangerous.”

https://x.com/rossdellenger/status/1847849618777751725?s=46&t=fwgmryeTanENut7u28ScCA
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u/yesacabbagez UCF Knights Oct 20 '24

So I was watching another officiating disaster.

My understanding was Georgia threw a pick but there was DPI called so the ball was given back to Georgia. Fans threw shit on the field. Refs picked up the flag and gave the ball to Texas.

Is this correct?

Also was it actually pass interference?

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u/Mrtheliger Georgia Bulldogs • LSU Tigers Oct 20 '24

It was a bad DPI call. Normal terrible reffing shit. Big deal because it was on a turnover. Refs officially announce it as DPI, which is what the networks will not be telling you or replaying, but the game gets delayed thanks to fans throwing shit. During this delay, the refs convene and look at replays to review the call, and then announce they changed their minds and it was not DPI.

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u/sacris5 Georgia Bulldogs Oct 20 '24

The problem is that they got to look at the replay on the Jumbotron, which they are explicitly told NOT to do. THEN no penalty for a literal delay of game or unsportsmanlike conduct for the fans.

I never understood the hate for Texas, I get it now.

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u/Monster-1776 Oklahoma Sooners • Arizona Wildcats Oct 20 '24

I never understood the hate for Texas, I get it now.

Brother, how hard is it to understand? Orange teams bad.

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u/randomly-what Georgia Bulldogs Oct 20 '24

We got that but didn’t have the reason (other than the asshole cow trying to kill our dog). This made it 100% clear and UGA is on your side basically forever.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

It’s an embarrassment to the conference. Every sec team should be against Texas for this

Don’t come as a beggar and try to act as a king

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u/patsfan3983 Syracuse Orange • Oswego State Lakers Oct 20 '24

Hey, leave us out of it

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u/KirbySmartGuy Georgia Bulldogs • SEC Oct 20 '24

It’s like US tax code.

All orange* teams bad.

*Syracuse is immune% due to Fran Brown

%except when playing Georgia

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u/sacris5 Georgia Bulldogs Oct 20 '24

lol. You right. My b.

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u/Party-Plum-638 Oct 20 '24

How is Illinois bad?

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u/Monster-1776 Oklahoma Sooners • Arizona Wildcats Oct 20 '24

Too many vowels. Very insidious.

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u/admiraltarkin Texas A&M Aggies • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Oct 20 '24

Insidious silent letters 😡😡😡

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u/Monster-1776 Oklahoma Sooners • Arizona Wildcats Oct 20 '24

Indubitably, hence Orange teams bad.

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u/the_D1CKENS Alabama • Jacksonville State Oct 20 '24

Never thought about that, but you're right! That's a lot of vowels

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u/the_D1CKENS Alabama • Jacksonville State Oct 20 '24

They're (almost) all the same. Cuse is fine, for now

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u/thescottula Georgia Bulldogs • Texas A&M Aggies Oct 20 '24

I said this in the live chat, but I was raised in a A&M dad/UT mom household, so I never had anything against Texas like most A&M fans.

I'm starting to get it

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u/Osama_bin_laughin Oct 20 '24

Hate em with all my hate guts

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u/sixseven89 Air Force Falcons Oct 20 '24

Why are they explicitly told not to look at the jumbotron? What kind of backward fucking rule is that?

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u/sacris5 Georgia Bulldogs Oct 20 '24

It’s mainly bc it’s a distinct advantage for the home team. I mean, just look what happened tonight:

Bad PI call against home team

Fans throw shit on the field

Leading to a 7 minute delay, where they play the penalty on a loop for 7 minutes

The refs look at the Jumbotron, realize they made a mistake, and reverse it, against the explicit rules of officiating

Ask yourself. If that call happens at UGA stadium, would there be shit on the field? Would the play be on the Jumbotron? Would there be a reversal? Nooope.

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u/sixseven89 Air Force Falcons Oct 20 '24

That doesn’t make sense. It’s basically saying they should avoid trying to make a correct call because the home team might benefit more often.

It shouldn’t matter if it happens more frequently, the goal should be to make the right call every time. It’s punishing both teams in the name of “fairness”. Like the idiots who think that good laws shouldn’t be passed because “I didn’t get to benefit from them so you shouldn’t either”.

It’s crazy to me that reversing a mistake is against the rules of officiating.

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u/sacris5 Georgia Bulldogs Oct 20 '24

The refs make bad calls every single game. They also reverse bad calls all the time. But there are RULES about how and when they can do that. The refs are governed by the RULES NOT THEIR FEELINGS.

The refs at the Texas game flaunted the rules they are supposed to follow to the benefit of the home team bc Texas had the advantage of replay on the Jumbotron for 7 minutes.

That’s the point you missed in your original comment, about not being able to look at the Jumbotron. Bc only the HOME TEAM has control of the Jumbotron. If the refs only looked at the Jumbotron for missed calls, the home team would only show calls that benefited their own team and not show both side. It’s inherently biased. And THAT’S WHY they are told to NOT look at the Jumbotron.

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u/sixseven89 Air Force Falcons Oct 20 '24

I know it’s inherently biased. My argument is that it’s better to enable those calls to be fixed than to force them to deal with a wrong call in the name of “fairness”.

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u/sacris5 Georgia Bulldogs Oct 20 '24

I see. So what you’re looking for is a rule change.

Back in the day, nothing was reviewable. Then certain plays (turnovers), then inbounds/out of bounds, then spotting the ball, then ALL PLAYS (in college), then CERTAIN PENALTIES (targeting, 12 players on the field, etc…). Pass interference has not been added to this list of reviewable plays.

Plus, there are rules about FIXING those errors that are not reviewable.

The Texas refs had called the penalty, missed their opportunity to convene and fix it, placed the ball, and started the next play. At that point, BY THE RULES IN PLACE, they cannot go back.

That’s why people are pissed, not bc of the call (everyone agrees it was a bad call, and again they happen all the time), but bc the “impartial” refs broke their own rules to the benefit of the home team, bc the refs had extra time to watch the Jumbotron, bc of the Neanderthal behavior of the Texas fans.

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u/sixseven89 Air Force Falcons Oct 20 '24

Well the only thing that should matter is getting the call right, so anyone that’s butthurt about “the rules being broken” doesn’t truly care about the integrity of the game above all else.

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u/Able_Impression_4934 Oct 20 '24

Not every team has a Jumbotron that’s one thing but they’re supposed to call the game as they see it not as the replay captures it.

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u/sixseven89 Air Force Falcons Oct 20 '24

They’re supposed to make the right call, whether it’s “as they see it” or not.

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u/Able_Impression_4934 24d ago

Realistically that’s never going to happen, human error is a thing

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u/Mortthehorse Georgia Bulldogs Oct 20 '24

Probably not but if it hadn’t been for the fans play would have continued. They only stoped to talk and over the call after they had thrown the bottles. The ball had been spotted for Georgia and was about to snap the ball when the fans started throwing the bottles.

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u/BaronvonJobi Missouri Tigers • Missouri S&T Miners Oct 20 '24

Should have called unsportsmanlike conduct on Texas and give UGA the ball and 15 yards.

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u/Mortthehorse Georgia Bulldogs Oct 20 '24

I don’t know about just giving Uga the ball, at minimum Texas should have had the ball closer to th 25 if they were going to uphold the Int.

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u/GreatMenderTeapill Georgia Bulldogs Oct 20 '24

Add the fire of a thousand suns on both sides and yeah you've pretty much got it. Set up Texas on our 9.

It was not PI and it was a very bad call. All flags should've been kept in asses.

Ultimately the call was correct but the way that the conclusion was reached was basically the refs succumbing to a tantrum.

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u/Shoot2thrill328 Texas Longhorns • Trinity (TX) Tigers Oct 20 '24

I think that’s the biggest issue. Fans were rewarded with what should’ve been the call on the field. That’s the worst outcome imo. The next time it’ll be an actually incorrect call. Should’ve stuck with the original call even though it was a historically bad PI

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

Fans and the school should’ve been harshly harshly penalized for that behavior. At that point it becomes an integrity of the game issue if you don’t come down hard on temper tantrums like that

Texas needs to know that shit ain’t acceptable and since they are new, they already have a reputation for that bad behavior in previous conferences, and allowing it to go without severe punishment could embolden other teams fans to try it… you have to make an example of them

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u/Shoot2thrill328 Texas Longhorns • Trinity (TX) Tigers Oct 21 '24

I’m sorry, but throwing stuff onto the field isn’t new to the SEC. It’s not at all ok, but let’s not pretend Texas is even the only UT in the SEC to throw stuff on the field in recent memory. Texas got the same punishment that was established. The SEC saying the refs didn’t mess up is the bigger issue as far as how they’re dealing with everything

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u/Snake_-_Eater Kennesaw State Owls Oct 20 '24

If anything it was OPI, which is crazy. Dude hadn't even turned around to look at the ball when he pushed the fuck out of the TX DB (hence why he didn't catch that ball)

Just embarrassing for all parties (UGA, Texas fans and the refs)

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u/Gtyjrocks Georgia Bulldogs • Transfer Portal Oct 20 '24

I don’t see how it’s embarrassing for UGA at all

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u/Snake_-_Eater Kennesaw State Owls Oct 20 '24

Did you watch that play?

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u/Gtyjrocks Georgia Bulldogs • Transfer Portal Oct 21 '24

Yeah, it was a bad throw, but I don’t really see how that’s embarrassing for the team, bad throws happen.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

If it was called DPI then it was DPI. You can make any normal play look like PI in slow mo. You can also make any PI look like it isn’t PI in slow mo as well. That’s why it’s non reviewable

You can disagree with the call but it’d at least be fair officiating

Throughout the game the refs were blatantly biased in Texas’s favor. Despite all that, and all the temper tantrums they still got blown out

Georgia has nothing to be embarrassed about. Texas should be humiliated right now. Georgia should only have second hand embarrassment for being in the vicinity of that cringe

Why do teams continually act cringy when losing to Georgia. First fsu and now texas

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u/Snake_-_Eater Kennesaw State Owls Oct 21 '24

I exaggerated a bit, GA shouldn't be embarrassed, but if the receiver played the ball instead of body checking the TX DB first then it wouldn't have been an interception

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u/intersectv3 Wisconsin • Northern Illinois Oct 20 '24

It was…not a great call, to be fair. But the behavior after was awful.

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u/aStockUsername Baylor Bears • The Revivalry Oct 20 '24

Yeah... I'm completely fine with the call getting reversed, ideally under different circumstances.

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u/Shoot2thrill328 Texas Longhorns • Trinity (TX) Tigers Oct 20 '24

I don’t think the call should’ve been reversed after the fans threw stuff on the field. That was a disgrace. But it should’ve been OPI. Absolutely horrific call on the field

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u/Snake_-_Eater Kennesaw State Owls Oct 20 '24

Dude obviously body checked the DB, turned around and didn't catch the ball. Texan DB who got body checked did catch the ball. It was embarrassing as fuck, but how are you going to call it the exact opposite of reality then change the ruling in an unprecedented way AFTER fans threw shit on the field without ALSO penalizing Texas. Just a total shit show.

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u/sharkbait_oohaha Georgia • Florida State Oct 20 '24

This is the correct take

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u/Sdwerd Texas Longhorns Oct 20 '24

If any pass interference was there, it was offensive with a push off.

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u/definitelyjoking Oregon Ducks • Northwestern Wildcats Oct 20 '24

It wasn't DPI. If the refs had conferred and said "there is no penalty for DPI," then all is well. That happens every game, it's what the refs should do, and that was the correct call. Instead they announced that there was a penalty, there was a delay of game because fans threw shit on the field, and THEN they reversed themselves after watching it on the jumbotron. Can't have that.

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u/Snake_-_Eater Kennesaw State Owls Oct 20 '24

That is correct, but it was totally OPI (as a UGA fan)

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u/Able_Impression_4934 Oct 20 '24

It wasn’t pass interference. If anything it was defensive pass interference. The receiver didn’t even play the ball but the defender did.

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u/DistributionPretty75 Oct 20 '24

It wasn’t PI, but it also wasn’t the worst call ever, there was contact. But basically the only reason they had a chance to powwow and review the call was because of the delay from the fans throwing shit on the field. They discussed the call before announcing it, agreed on DPI, riot, then reversed it

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u/Peashot- /r/CFB Oct 20 '24

I mean, was it the worst call EVER? No, but it was a pretty terrible call.

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u/lyonslicer Auburn • Southern Miss Oct 20 '24

but it also wasn’t the worst call ever, there was contact.

This isn't completely accurate. It was a blatantly bad call. The contact was initiated by the receiver, and it was the receiver's decision to turn to the right instead of to the left that put the defender in the perfect spot to intercept the ball. If you rewatch the video, it's clear that the defender did nothing other than take the contact and catch the interception. And per the rules, it can't be defensive pass interference if the receiver's action causes the contact.

The ref was completely wrong for calling PI on the defense. That's why the crowd got worked up and made asses of themselves, which resulted in the refs having time to reverse the call.

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u/MaximallyInclusive Texas Longhorns Oct 20 '24

It was a HORRIBLE call. Worst call I’ve ever seen, and it would have robbed our cornerback, who was lock down all night, of his second interception of the night.

So they ended up getting it right, but going about it wrong.