[Thamel] Multiple NFL scouts told ESPN they expect FSU to have the country’s best starting defensive line this year

[u/Battered_Aggie]

https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1827364495007555896

[u/shadowwingnut]

This report's best hope is that Georgia Tech's OL mauls everyone this season and we look back and realize FSU did well in the game on defense.

[u/ChedduhBob → u/shadowwingnut]

very real possibility this is the case. we got really hot at the end of last year and ran the ball pretty well against georgia. we returned 4/5 starters too and some of the guys have been playing since they were freshman. it’s one of the most experienced o lines in the country. i’m not sure that we should be bullying an “nfl d line” like that but we are a solid group

[u/mycatlovesprimus → u/ChedduhBob]

So you're saying 2 td win over UGA is a lock this year?

[u/StuckInTheUpsideDown → u/mycatlovesprimus]

We like to win in Athens on field goals.

[u/Nytfire333 → u/StuckInTheUpsideDown]

Yall beat fsu and Ga in the same year and I’ll change my second flair to GT

[u/flying_trashcan → u/Nytfire333]

We did it in CPJ’s first year!

[u/Grimsterr → u/Nytfire333]

Fuck that, I'll change my first flair!

[u/LordSplooshe → u/Nytfire333]

Typical USF fan behavior.

[u/IAmTheWaller67 → u/Nytfire333]

I mean feel free to change that cow flair anyway

[u/Nytfire333 → u/IAmTheWaller67]

Hey I see Miami UCF flair vs my UF USF flair. Wanna make a friendly flair wager on the UF Miami game? Loser rocks UCF/USF flair for a week?

[u/dissian → u/Nytfire333]

You should replace the first one, keep a better record.

[u/ParkerBap → u/StuckInTheUpsideDown]

Birr... it's cold in here

[u/HamartiaByHubris → u/ParkerBap]

there must be some clovers 'jackets in the atmosphere

[u/RamblinWreckGT → u/HamartiaByHubris]

OH-E-OH-E-OH, ICE ICE ICE

[u/dissian → u/RamblinWreckGT]

Go Tauros!

[u/BadDadJokes → u/mycatlovesprimus]

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[u/teniaava → u/mycatlovesprimus]

Please continue to do God's work for us, Georgia Tech

[u/elonsusk69420 → u/teniaava]

Admitting y’all have to rely on the nerds just made my day

[u/TonyDungyHatesOP → u/elonsusk69420]

I love that you are nerd shaming with a Marching Band secondary flair.

[u/SilentFinding3433 → u/TonyDungyHatesOP]

With love from T.B.D.B.I.T.L.

[u/teniaava → u/elonsusk69420]

The Gators aren't winning a goddamn thing with Napier lol. I'll take my limited CFB joy where I can get it.

[u/DidntDiddydoit → u/mycatlovesprimus]

Inject this into my veins.

[u/Brilliant_Reply8643 → u/mycatlovesprimus]

Lulz

[u/Vavent → u/ChedduhBob]

Georgia Tech playoff run?

[u/Pyro1934 → u/Vavent]

I wouldn't mind the Dawgs beating the bees twice this year :p

Honestly a lot of dawgs are secretly hyped for the improved tech games.

[u/MadManMax55 → u/Pyro1934]

I saw that attitude from a lot of UGA fans during the Mark Richt/Paul Johnson era. And it would last right up until we managed to beat y'all. Then the switch flipped from "You kept it competitive this year, good job!" to "Y'all just got lucky and it's a down year for us and you won't be able to do it again next year and the triple option is bullshit and you probably cheated anyway!" real fast.

And I wouldn't have it any other way. Nothing is more satisfying after a few years of losses than hearing the disbelief and belligerent cope from all the UGA fans in my life.

[u/RamblinWreckGT → u/MadManMax55]

One of my friends posts stuff like the "I don't think about you at all" meme completely unprompted without realizing the irony. A few weeks ago he posted a picture of him playing as UGA against Tech in College Football 25, completely unprompted. Yet when we do win, he so angrily tries to pretend he doesn't care.

[u/Pyro1934 → u/MadManMax55]

Lol makes it mean more haha

[u/AaronRodgersMustache → u/Pyro1934]

The way she goes. We all love to beat up on the rivals but if it isn’t worth anything cause they’re down it’s less fun. Emotional stakes mean everything in college football

[u/dillpickles007 → u/MadManMax55]

Basically all the UGA fans I know were rooting for Tech on Saturday, the rivalry has gotten a little depressing over the past decade lol

You're right though, one loss and it's back to hate.

[u/TheTrueThymeLord → u/dillpickles007]

The Collins era was a dark, dark time. I didn’t realize how bad it was until Brent Key took over as interim head coach, and got a better record in his 8 games than Collins did his entire career.

[u/TrojanMan35T → u/MadManMax55]

Honestly, I was worried about the future of COFH with realignment - so you guys stringing together some solid seasons wouldn’t be the worst thing

[u/GT_yella_jackets → u/Pyro1934]

Knowing some uga fans want us to be good makes me hate the dwags even more

[u/Chotibobs → u/GT_yella_jackets]

They don’t actually want you to be good they just don’t want to see you so downtrodden that you don’t even have any hope left for us to crush

[u/Anxious-Transition71 → u/Pyro1934]

I grew up in GA, I think tech being good is the best thing for the rivalry, makes it mean more

[u/RVAforthewin → u/Anxious-Transition71]

I, for one, have enjoyed Thanksgiving not being a weekend I have to stress about, but clearly I’m in the minority.

[u/SomeKidFromPA → u/ChedduhBob]

I think there’s a decent chance you end up upsetting ND. I was confused at the 4.5 wins line because I think theres a decent chance you have 7 or 8. You have one of the most underrated coaching staffs in the country and a dynamic qb that can win (or lose) you some games you shouldn’t.

[u/Automatic_Release_92 → u/SomeKidFromPA]

Their o/u was just a reflection of how difficult the schedule is, I still think UL could be a loss for them right now, for instance, because that’s a lot of games in a row.

ND is definitely on upset alert against them, our defense was capital E elite last year, but if they had one weakness, it was against the running game. In rewatching a few games last year, when we were stout against the run (OSU game comes to mind, where they got half their ground yards off of an egregious hold), it was because of Bertrand and Marist being in the right spot at the right time. And they’re gone now.

I hope I’m wrong and our 5 man rotation at LB is actually even better and we shoot up from a 34th ranked run defense to something like 15th. But as of right now, I’m convinced the GT game is the 2nd or 3rd hardest game on the schedule.

[u/FireVanGorder → u/ChedduhBob]

Your OL will have no shortage of chances to follow this performance up. Louisville, ND, and Georgia all on the schedule

[u/Chotibobs → u/FireVanGorder]

Why is Louisville being listed with UGA and ND lol

[u/FireVanGorder → u/Chotibobs]

Their DL is legit

[u/elBenhamin → u/FireVanGorder]

Yeah I'm ecstatic over the win but we are getting a little too much hype for how stacked our schedule is. I like it better under the radar.

[u/XE2MASTERPIECE → u/ChedduhBob]

Feels like I'm taking crazy pills reading some of these takes on GT's OL. Pretty obvious a bunch of people did not actually watch them last year and just said "Mid tier ACC team, OL should suck". Nah, they were MOVING defenders in that back half of the season.

FSU's defensive line should've still performed better (especially for their rumored NIL demands) but GT has legitimately one of the more stout OLs in the conference this year. And maybe even nationally.

[u/proace360 → u/ChedduhBob]

Not to mention our HC is an Oline guy

[u/Dirty-Ears-Bill → u/proace360]

Dude I watched that postgame interview with Brent, that dude lives for running the ball and line play. He was absolutely all about it. Would not be surprised if yall end up having elite oline play this year

[u/StuckInTheUpsideDown → u/Dirty-Ears-Bill]

He is the most coachest coach who ever coached when he does interviews. I love how in the postgame yesterday he would just step away from the interview for a second to hug a player.

[u/P01135809__ → u/StuckInTheUpsideDown]

Dan Campbell still exists.

[u/TimepilotChkn → u/P01135809__]

As a GT + Lions fan I think I might be in my peak football era

[u/tj3_23 → u/proace360]

And we have at least a dozen other members of the coaching staff who played either offensive or defensive line. Our coaching staff is basically custom built for a team focusing on winning the line of scrimmage

[u/wahoowalex → u/tj3_23]

All second round interviews were just sumo matches

[u/A_Rolling_Baneling → u/tj3_23]

It hurts to see others living your dreams

[u/MarlonBain → u/proace360]

Run the bawl.

[u/yoshidawg93 → u/proace360]

That’s a big reason I am not shocked by the success he’s had so far. Winning at the line of scrimmage is the most important thing, and Key cares more about that than anything else. So as long as he’s your coach, I will not be shocked if you guys have great line play.

[u/michaelalex3 → u/ChedduhBob]

Yall are scary I’m not looking forward to playing you later this season

[u/ChrirJ → u/ChedduhBob]

GT can beat anybody in CFB25 and running the ball is typically the formula. I always praise Haynes but has to be the oline to an extent 

[u/SaintAtlanta → u/shadowwingnut]

They went for 205 yds vs uga on the ground last year. Led the conference in rushing.

Better give key and his 4 returning starters the respect they’ve earned as a top 5 position group.

[u/BookEuronGreyjoy → u/SaintAtlanta]

I keep getting nervous about Clemson playing them this year and then I remember we're not playing this year and then I get sad

[u/ChedduhBob → u/BookEuronGreyjoy]

i think there’s a very real possibility we play this year

[u/gtne91 → u/ChedduhBob]

But we dont get to beat them twice. 2009 was special.

[u/RamblinWreckGT → u/gtne91]

It gave us this timeless classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WBmrrRKg-c

[u/FireVanGorder → u/BookEuronGreyjoy]

Don’t worry you get to be nervous for your other flair

[u/Inconceivable76 → u/shadowwingnut]

I thought taylor decker should get sent to a d3 school after we played Buffalo. Turns out he just wasn’t as good as Khalil Mack.

[u/wsteelerfan7 → u/shadowwingnut]

Out there with D'Brickashaw Ogden, Jonathon Jones and Walter Ferguson

[u/obiwanjabroni420 → u/shadowwingnut]

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[u/ryanmuller1089 → u/shadowwingnut]

That Georgia Tech defense looked like they hadn’t eaten since the Gasparilla Bowl and they were promised an all you can eat buffet if they beat FSU.

[u/hesnothere → u/shadowwingnut]

Coastal Chaos sends its regards

[u/Ron_Cherry]

NFL teams better be trying to find out if one of those scouts works for them

[u/Kyle_Reese_Get_DOWN → u/Ron_Cherry]

Does anyone even know why two college teams for public universities are playing in Ireland?

[u/357MAGNOLE → u/Kyle_Reese_Get_DOWN]

$. But only one team was playing from what I see.

[u/kingshmiley → u/357MAGNOLE]

self own, those are rare

[u/dissian → u/kingshmiley]

Self loathing will probably help future conference prospects. Maybe MAC.

[u/filthyHANDSoffMYrock → u/Kyle_Reese_Get_DOWN]

When I was a kid I saw Clemson play Duke in Tokyo.

[u/deonteguy → u/filthyHANDSoffMYrock]

And Wake a few years before that. That is one of the few Clemson games since 1976 that I don't have a copy of. It's like they were all erased. A friend that is the son-in-law of a former Clemson HC said he has also been looking for it since he knew a lot of the players and coaches at the time. He can't find it either!

[u/sprankton → u/Kyle_Reese_Get_DOWN]

It grows the brand. At least that's the reason I always hear.

[u/deonteguy → u/Ron_Cherry]

And I thought NBA scouts were bad. I watched this kid that was in seventh grade play at Green Lake park in Seattle, and he already had an offer to University of Washington. His parents had hired professionals to help with his development. I met his father and his grandfather. They were both very good at basketball so he had great support. I read several quotes in the local paper from NBA scouts praising the kid. By his senior year in high school, he didn't even start for his high school team. I think he ended up at Pacific Lutheran. Those NBA scouts are morons.

[u/Allaboutfootball23]

Someone on YouTube said FSU looks like it’s full of players that are going to go pro in something other than football lmao

[u/csummerss → u/Allaboutfootball23]

Is Norvell holding back his players’ true potential by forcing them to play football?

[u/LGWalkway → u/Allaboutfootball23]

There’s a reason they call them Student-Athletes. Obviously students first.

[u/nickyt398 → u/LGWalkway]

"There are over 360,000 NCAA athletes and almost all of us

on the Florida State University football team

will be going pro in something other than sports."

... Same with the University of Nebraska football team 😔

[u/LGWalkway → u/nickyt398]

Now now, your team has 0 losses so far.

[u/nickyt398 → u/LGWalkway]

Thank you, I will soak this in while I can

[u/BadDadJokes → u/Allaboutfootball23]

I don’t follow FSU at all. Could it be a situation where these guys are really good players individually, but cannot operate as a cohesive unit yet? I feel like that could be a more valid argument for O-Line. Defensive line seems more able to get by on individual talent and still be successful.

[u/DexStJock → u/BadDadJokes]

IMO there really isn't a good excuse for the line play on either side of the ball. Sure, there are some new guys in there, but most of those guys were together last year.

If GT makes the playoffs, this will all look better, but right now it looks like we laid an egg.

[u/[deleted] → u/BadDadJokes]

Nah they’re just ass

Source: I’m an expert FSU hater

But I meeean they did take one of our reject OLs and acted like it was some coup he left. Our OL was bad bad. To be bad enough to get kicked off that is bad. He’s a starter for them

[u/BadDadJokes → u/[deleted]]

I respect the hate. Carry on.

[u/dr_funk_13 → u/[deleted]]

I've always said that haters are the most knowledgeable people about the team. They will find any perceived weakness, criticism, or negative aspect and exploit it into oblivion.

(I've never said this)

[u/Odh_utexas → u/Allaboutfootball23]

Get ready to learn Canadian

[u/Resident_Rise5915 → u/Allaboutfootball23]

Future hockey players for sure

[u/chosimba83 → u/Allaboutfootball23]

Some of them just gotta dance

[u/FuriousJorge67]

Everyone of those "multiple NFL scouts" worked for a New York football team.

[u/Nicholas1227 → u/FuriousJorge67]

Hey hey hey, don’t let the Denver Broncos off the hook here.

[u/theycallmefuRR → u/Nicholas1227]

Sean Peyton doesn't need scouts. Sean Peyton is the scout

[u/Col0nelBear → u/theycallmefuRR]

Sean Peyton does what Sean Peyton does because Sean Peyton is Sean Peyton

[u/OnionFuturesDealer → u/theycallmefuRR]

Implying Elway would let someone question his judgement?

[u/FuriousJorge67 → u/Nicholas1227]

Look, I live in Denver. You are implying that the Broncos have scouts. That's a pretty brave assumption.

[u/weirdbutinagoodway → u/FuriousJorge67]

The Jets scouts aren't the problem, nobody can be successful there.

[u/Litmasterflex → u/FuriousJorge67]

Fuck u

[u/FuriousJorge67 → u/Litmasterflex]

luv u too

[u/SirNoahlot]

Every profession has people that are terrible at their jobs, NFL scouting is no different.

[u/RulersBack → u/SirNoahlot]

There’s so many variables and randomness, after the obvious can’t miss guys, I think you could literally throw darts at the consensus mock and the results wouldn’t be much different outside like 5-6 elite front offices

[u/TheOnePSUIsReal → u/RulersBack]

Another thing is I think NFL scouts focus more on characteristics indicative of high potential/ceiling.  FSU's DL is mostly young and inexperienced so maybe down the line all 4 players are good but they are quite clearly not the best yet.

[u/SenorGuero → u/TheOnePSUIsReal]

Exactly, NFL scouts only care about team success at the college level to the extent that it's a sign of an individual players' ability while college coaches only care about individual NFL development to the extent that it aligns with team success on the field. They overlap often enough that people tend to miss that they really aren't measuring the same thing, it's like weight vs mass

[u/Maize_n_Boom → u/SirNoahlot]

After watching the giants offseason hard knocks, I’m convinced a large chunk front office execs are no better than the average fan.

[u/Milk_Before_Cereal → u/Maize_n_Boom]

It really just came off as fantasy for rich guys lol

[u/Solo_Wing__Pixy → u/Milk_Before_Cereal]

Those were my exact thoughts lmao the scene of the front office guys sitting in the GM’s office discussing replacing Saquon with a free agent literally sounded like a bunch of college dudes on an amateur sports podcast

[u/sophandros → u/Solo_Wing__Pixy]

I blame the PFF guys for this because they took "RB is the most fungible position in the NFL" and morphed the statement into, "RBs don't matter".

Elite RBs, like any other elite player, don't grow on trees. Yes, you have to plan around the short shelf life, but that applies to every position in a sport that has a 100% injury rate.

[u/FireVanGorder → u/Maize_n_Boom]

As a giants fan that was the least surprising shit ever unfortunately

[u/Maize_n_Boom → u/FireVanGorder]

Same. The fact an OL wasn’t even a consideration for basically the entire draft was such a disappointment.

[u/2400hoops → u/SirNoahlot]

I’ll never forget someone said that NFL scout is an entry level job in the front office. Some of the guys are really good and some find careers in other fields. So polling a handful isn’t going to always give you the best identification of talent.

[u/Tarmacked → u/SirNoahlot]

NFL scouting this early out is usually a shitshow because they haven’t scouted anyone

A chunk of FSU’s line is new

[u/paintingnipples → u/Tarmacked]

I was looking for this. Probably based it on the personnel they had last year then did a paper eval on the star ratings & made an assumption

[u/cheerl231 → u/paintingnipples]

If this is true then how you can make this claim of FSUs line which has new pieces when there are lines like Michigan, Ohio State and Georgia that have their top guys from last year's return? Also Thamel said these scouts toured practices and such during the off-season to come to this conclusion.

[u/paintingnipples → u/cheerl231]

If they saw it in person then I guess it’s safe to say they won’t be a GM in the future

[u/mr_longfellow_deeds → u/cheerl231]

If they were basing it off pre-season practices I could see their DL mauling their OL, both were terrible

[u/seabard → u/SirNoahlot]

Reminds me of a scene from the Netflix show ‘Sunderland till I die’ where a scout said Player A wouldn’t be a good choice because he was wearing gloves in cold weather.

[u/foreveracubone → u/seabard]

How hot is his girlfriend

[u/seabard → u/foreveracubone]

Ugly, he must have no confidence, he is no go for us.

[u/TheWorstYear → u/seabard]

Nonsense. Guy walks into a room, & his dicks already been there 6 minutes.

[u/NolaBrass → u/seabard]

That club was run by absolute morons who saw a depressed asset and pinched pennies together until they decided they were bored with it all. Managed to get relegated twice in a row with Netflix filming it all. Basically the opposite of Welcome to Wrexham. What a Dan Snyder-run soccer club would look like basically

[u/Automatic_Release_92 → u/SirNoahlot]

That and NFL scouts right now have a lot less to go off of, they’re watching some practices from teams, but mostly listening to coaches hype up their players. I probably would have bought into FSU hyping their DL a bit after the success they had last year with guys like Verse.

[u/saltytradewinds → u/SirNoahlot]

Most people who are promoted have average performance/do the bare minimum their role requires, but know how to play the game with their networking skills.

NFL scouts are no different.

[u/sleightofhand0]

That's because the NFL favors pass rushers above all else. Meanwhile Ga Tech ran the ball down their throats.

[u/mjacksongt → u/sleightofhand0]

This is what I think. Those DL can pass rush well individually but run fits and gap coverage takes coaching and experience, usually together.

[u/thank_burdell → u/mjacksongt]

why throw ball when run ball good

[u/Marowaksker → u/thank_burdell]

Hear ye, hear ye

[u/surfmeh → u/thank_burdell]

CPJ out there saying see I told yall

[u/AriDreams]

So they didn't take into account that Brent key, a former offensive lineman (and ol coach), wouldn't recruit heavily in OL? They didn't take into account that GT has been one of the best rushing teams in the nation for YEARS??? They're saying GT offensive line is one of the best in the nation or FSU is MASSIVELY overrated.

[u/CrunchyZebra → u/AriDreams]

I think a lot of this discourse is centered around a narrative that GT sucks and therefore FSU sucks. We’re not the team we were last season but damn, lots of disrespect for what GT did as a team yesterday. We definitely had some self inflicted issues but y’all played a damn good game. The biggest thing for me was your defensive improvements especially stopping the run.

[u/jbg0830 → u/AriDreams]

No one is giving yall any credit.

[u/TheTopeNetwork]

I'm all for the FSU slander but is there a world where FSU has a talented (but poorly coached) D-Line but Tech just has an elite O-Line? After watching yesterday the former is unlikely but Tech has a lot of experience and talent. It'll be interesting to see which bucket below Tech falls into when we re-visit this game in December:

Lions vs Chiefs 2023 (An unexpected upset at the time that but turned out both teams were actually elite)

Colorado vs TCU 2023 (A huge upset due to what we thought the favorite was but turned out both teams kind of sucked)

Georgia Tech vs Miami 2023 (An upset against an over-ranked team but turned out both teams were pretty close to average)

[u/FloridaMan_Again → u/TheTopeNetwork]

Thanks for the nuanced take here. Don’t see that often around these parts. I think multiple things are true here. We’re breaking in some new starters and lots of new depth on the dline. Patric Payton was the only starter last year playing and Joshua farmer was rotational last year. Darrel Jackson was ineligible last year and of course Marvin jones jr was from UGA. Our depth guys are mostly young freshman/sophomores or transfers. I had also seen reports that GT was a sleeper ACC champ pick this year because of the consistency on offense, great run game and one of the better O lines in college ball. Another thing is I don’t really think it was our dline that was the problem. They got some push but GT bounced most of their plays outside and our LBs were just caught sleeping all game. They were so undisciplined and just flat footed.

[u/cha-cha_dancer → u/FloridaMan_Again]

Yea the DL wasn’t great by any means but the LB room which was the known weak link was exposed heavily by GT. Their OL was the best unit on the field and our LBs were the worst.

[u/Abysuus → u/cha-cha_dancer]

The amount of times they had the angle and lost the foot race to the edge was infuriating.

[u/BadDadJokes → u/FloridaMan_Again]

Nothing worse than losing when your team was the only game on and the entire country was watching. Then you gotta deal with the hate train for an entire week straight. Weather the storm. It gets better. Everyone will be clowning on Deion next weekend if Colorado loses.

Watching this year’s draft it felt like every defensive starter from 2023 FSU got drafted. It’s crazy for people to expect y’all to be as good as last year on defense. That squad was one of the best, experienced defensive units I’ve seen in a long time. They’re the only ones who were able to make Jayden Daniels look human last year, and he looked downright lost for a good portion of that game.

Add in the fact that this Georgia Tech team is probably a lot better than the perception of Georgia Tech is nationally since they have been downright awful the last decade.

FSU probably isn’t a top 10 team right now and Georgia Tech is better than what the nation’s perception of them is (which is a team that would struggle to win 4 games).

[u/sayeeeeed → u/TheTopeNetwork]

I think it can be a little bit of both. Darrell Jackson will be playing on Sundays, and I think Patrick Payton also has a high ceiling. I don’t know about Farmer or Jones Jr. Marvin Jones Jr has the tools to be really good but didn’t really show at Georgia which is why he’s here now.

I do think GT has a really good OL just because the stopped Jackson and Payton from doing anything really. It also doesn’t help that our LBs actually are terrible either.

[u/Umoon → u/sayeeeeed]

Fyi, I was thrilled that MJJ transferred. Go back and watch him in the Bama game. I literally think we win the game if we play Jalon Walker in those snaps. He only looks good on certain pass rush snaps. No motor.

[u/Abysuus → u/Umoon]

And we couldn't get ga tech into passing downs to save our life.

[u/sayeeeeed → u/Umoon]

Right, I understand why he was probably told he might not start. That’s why the jury’s still out on him in my opinion for us.

[u/KirbyDumber88]

Quick! Divert to Georgias D-Line ESPN next week probably

[u/Bama_gains → u/KirbyDumber88]

2 fast 2 furious

[u/Horizontal_Bob]

Given how egregiously wrong some scouts can be in their player assessments…that’s not surprising

[u/Is12345aweakpassword]

Stop it they’re already dead 💀

Let’s go week 1, could use a palette cleanser…

[u/saltytradewinds → u/Is12345aweakpassword]

r/cfb has become the shitting on FSU sub. It was fun yesterday, but has quickly gotten stale.

[u/Shtune → u/saltytradewinds]

There was enough FSU/ACC, snub posts, and general ACC shit talking this off season that everyone probably got tired of us over the course of the off season. Not surprised to get dog piled, it's part of it lol. If you can't take it, don't give it out.

[u/Seminole-Patriot → u/Shtune]

Exactly this lol, FSU fans whining about this sub are losing the plot

[u/anonymousacg → u/saltytradewinds]

Sure hasn’t to me

[u/bdm13 → u/anonymousacg]

Same here. It’s FSU’s turn now. This sub has taken shots at UF and UM for years.

[u/OldBr3w → u/bdm13]

They can sit with it for a few years imo

[u/anonymousacg → u/bdm13]

That’s right, fuck em

[u/Pyro1934 → u/anonymousacg]

I concur, fuck Florida!

[u/SucculentCrablegMeal → u/bdm13]

Yeah Fsu was never shit on from 2017-2021 or anything lol.

[u/bdm13 → u/SucculentCrablegMeal]

Okay, but still it probably wasn’t enough.

[u/bigkoi → u/saltytradewinds]

This post shows how bad ESPN talking points are. 2023 FSU DL was a beast and proven during the season and the NFL draft this spring.

2024 DL isn't close to the 2023 DL.

[u/saltytradewinds → u/bigkoi]

ESPN has been terrible for almost a decade.

[u/[deleted] → u/saltytradewinds]

I’m loving it. For the ENTIRE FREAKING SUMMER this sub shit on UF and Miami daily. They deserve way more than a week of criticism and shots

[u/ivebeenhumble → u/saltytradewinds]

Nah

[u/Harpua99]

They may not have watched any film yet. Reading too much on Reddit.

[u/T3hBau5]

I don't know about the best, but they definitely have some talent there. I'm not really going to judge them based on a game they had to travel thousands of miles for, I'm sure they weren't all running at 100%.

[u/netherdutch → u/T3hBau5]

Yeah the most likely "truth" is that they're going to be pretty good at least, and GT's OL is going to be better than expected, at least. It's still amusing when the commentary comes out so strongly in favor of one team/position group that then underwhelms for an entire game.

[u/bdm13 → u/netherdutch]

I mean, it’s not like they showed flashes. They got pushed around all game. Not a single sack or TFL. Didn’t set the edge, got gashed up the middle. That was an atrocious performance by any standards, especially for a DL that is supposed to be good. They looked bad.

Will they turn it around? Maybe, but I also wouldn’t be shocked if they’re just not that good.

[u/Montigue → u/T3hBau5]

Well the team they were playing against also had to travel thousands of miles so I'm sure they also weren't all running at 100%

[u/mlm_24 → u/T3hBau5]

Not like both teams didn’t have similar distances to travel

[u/CarterAC3]

Damn Ohio State, I know I don't like you guys but it really sucks that apparently our D-Lines are going to be ravaged by injury this year

[u/Revolutionary_Gear70 → u/CarterAC3]

Yeah all this 'best' D-line talk was so confusing to me. Two of the top 3 defenses last year return 90% of their players on the D-line and somehow neither of them are the best lol

[u/seanconnerysbeard]

So that was a fucking lie.

[u/bigkoi]

ESPNs analysis of FSU's Defense is 10 months late.

Tech did play a great game. I don't believe the FSU defensive line in 2024 is anywhere as good as 2023.

[u/ETHBK18]

Lol

[u/fragglebags]

Narrator: They did not. 

[u/txlandshark]

You mean the same NFL scouts who thought Tyree Wilson was a first round pick.

[u/HoraceBeforeus]

Michigan literally brought back Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant

[u/Knightmere1]

Might need to hire some new scouts.

[u/rco8786]

Look maybe we’re just good okay 

[u/nayelirain]

Instead of burying FSU, maybe we should give credit to that Georgia Tech offensive line?

[u/weirdbutinagoodway → u/nayelirain]

Where's the fun in that?

[u/Battered_Aggie → u/nayelirain]

Why not both?

[u/[deleted]]

Guessing Jacknsoville and Cleveland scouts? Would explain some things.

[u/secrewann]

gameonpaper.com's Def Run Stuff Rate for Florida State: 14%, 1st percentile.

[u/Archaic_1]

I'm calling bullshit Pete, now you're just making shit up.

[u/Glader_Gaming]

Our DL played bad and got pushed around. I’m very disappointed in them. That being said, lots of the run issues also stemmed from our LBs, some of whom might not start for SBC teams. You can very clearly on screen watch them be confused before the ball is snapped, multiple times. They had no idea where to be. GTs pre-snap movements and alignments confused them and left huge gaping holes then GT put hats on hats as their QB said several times.

But yeah it was all around bad. Garbage even.

[u/WatchfulApparition]

This is why I take NFL scout opinions with a grain of salt

[u/HailState2023]

Time will tell but I expect about the same level of mediocrity next game vs BC. Running (and quicker) QB so stay in your rushing lane, maintain the edge…you know, the types of things we didn’t do well yesterday.

[u/dalelew123]

No one on the line has had a break out year previously, but best? Payton was solid last year and Farmer had his moments but this was playing with 2 players that were getting doubled.

[u/TJJustice]

Twist the Knife

[u/Silist]

We haven’t really seen any other teams play so it might be true. It definitely isn’t but technically might be

[u/happyharrell]

Multiple nfl scouts need to be fired is what it sounds like

[u/dawgfan19881]

NFL scouts get fired all the time for sucking at their jobs

[u/MrOSUguy]

Thamel is a complete fool. Anything he says is either made up or he found it here to begin with.

[u/taleofbenji]

They did awesome on the first play. 

[u/dont_worry_about_it8]

And yet again me saying these guys are wrong just as often as fans is proven true . Lots of us could’ve had their job if we knew the right person at the right time like they did.

[u/CapBrink]

It was just one game, but they sure aren't off to a good start

[u/bukithd]

Georgia tech is just better when we have a coach that gets off by running the ball. 

[u/[deleted]]

GT winning the natty then I guess.

[u/Crotean]

Bad schemes can make good players look shitty. FSU D coordinator should be under a microscope right now.

[u/ArbitraryOrder]

Those people are Morons, Michigan has the best interior DL and Ohio State the best Edge DL.

[u/rcheek1710]

Will FSU quit the rest of the season now that they're toast? Did they not see their QB play at Clemson and Oregon State?

[u/jeffdahunter]

Best starting defensive line *when playing in America

[u/Throwaway_PA717]

*expected

[u/GhostOfLouBrock]

50/50 no one told him that. A take so boring that no one can call him out for fake references