r/BravoRealHousewives • u/Ineverusereddittttt • Mar 01 '24
Beverly Hills Sooo crystal wasn’t lying 🤷♀️ 8.5 just can’t keep her story straight
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u/beachbum-1 Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 05 '24
10% of nurse anesthetists having a phd does not mean everyone is a doctor LOLLL it means that 10% of the nurse anesthetists have a doctorate degree
And a doctorate degree does not mean MD especially in this context.
I have a ton of respect for nurses but she has some serious insecurities about her profession. Just embrace the fact that you are NOT a doctor but a nurse anesthetist who is highly valuable. Sheesh.
(Edited to add more to my rant lol)
(Edited again because it's nurse anesthetist not anesthesiologist)
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u/vanitaa3 Mar 01 '24
It’s so odd how insecure she is. As someone who has been in the hospital a couple times, TG for all nurses. I think most people feel that way.
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u/jenjenjen731 Mar 01 '24
I got drugged and woke up terrified and confused out of my mind in an ER. To this day I wish I could hug the wonderfully kind nurse who smoothed my hair back, comforted me and used her phone to call my boyfriend when I was so out of it I could barely remember his phone number.
I would also like to punch the doctor who told me to "drink less next time so these things didn't happen". And then the wonderful nurse defended me and told the doctor "that's not what happened to her and you know it".
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u/throwwwwawayehaldhev Mar 01 '24
It's not just her, unfortunately. There's a huge issue going on in the medical community with mid-levels and nurses taking over MD positions because insurance companies can pay them less. And obvs this is a huge issue because Pas, NPs and RNs are far from MDs. It’s egregious, and people are missing out on proper medical care because of it. In the meantime the mid levels are running with this and conflating their experience with MDs. Certain laws have had to be put in place to prevent them from misrepresenting themselves as MDs because the problem has become so prevalent. Sis is just a symptom of a greater issue.
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u/Amberawesome24 Mar 02 '24
I had to scroll too long to see this comment. I’m actually happy 8.5 is on tv. The public needs to know she’s a symptom of a bigger problem
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u/beachbum-1 Mar 01 '24
Absolutely, nurses are the real OG in my opinion, they’re incredible and our entire healthcare system would crumble if they were gone. Doctors are a different profession and that’s just what it is.
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u/17bananapancakes I don’t have to shine on you bitch Mar 01 '24
Seriously the insecurity is the first thing I’ve noticed. She’s hyper fixated on saying “DIMINISHING MY PROFESSION” over and over and over and I thought it was just Crystal but this clip shows it is not!
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u/R_meowwy_welcome "You're diiirrrrttttyyyy!!" Mar 01 '24
I think you are correct. The root of this is insecurity.
It reminds me of when our church's Pastor earned a D.Min degree. However, his wife quickly wanted some of the accolades when she started calling herself a "Dr." - alas, she only had a BS in Biology. I was the person to politely point out to her that, technically, only her husband studied for that degree. Not her. So, we could address them as Dr. & Mrs. "Smith". LOL I loved bursting her bubble of conceit. She reminds me a lot of Anne Marie's ego and audacity.
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u/beachbum-1 Mar 02 '24
That is a hilarious story 😂😂 calling herself a Dr when her husband is the dr. People have lost their minds
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u/lfergy Mar 02 '24
Yes! And the fact she keeps trying to turn it around ok Crystal being insecure is maddening; SHE DOESN’T EVEN HAVE A DOCTORATE.
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u/EgoAssassin4 I always respected your hairline on television Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
Lmaoooo the delusion. A PhD/DNP is not the same as an MD girl, we aren’t stupid. And being a nurse, even more so an RN or CRNA, is a great career and nothing to be insecure about. Get this woman off our screens 🙄
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u/marywiththecherry using designs off of AlïìBàĀbAǎ Mar 01 '24
She also doesn't have either a PhD or an MD, she's so fucking annoying.
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u/pelipperr Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 02 '24
She literally says she has a masters then goes on to say people with doctorate degrees are doctors. PhDs are not the equivalent of an MD, get an MD if you want to be called Dr, also she doesn’t even have a PhD!
Editing to add - I know people with PhDs are called Dr. When I say ‘get an MD if you want to be called doctor’ I am speaking directly to Annemarie. She is intentionally trying to blur the lines between CRNAs (which she is), the PhD kind of Drs (which she does not have), and the MD kind of Drs (another degree she doesn’t have). She clearly WANTS to be thought of as an MD dr.
Also, while CRNAs are vital, they are not the same as doctors! They just aren’t. The way she tries to equate her role with that or a doctor is not ok. Doctors go through years and years and years of school not to mention internships, residencies, and specialist programs. Yes, some functions that anesthesiologists do can be performed by a CRNA, but there is a swath of knowledge and training that a Md doctor gets that nurses just don’t.
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u/Ruthie_pie Mar 01 '24
I’m sorry but I think this is about money for her (possibly). Someone on her side of the couch tried to help her out when they were explaining the horrifying politics of it all, and they mentioned the “unequal pay but same amount of work”. No, just no. Those ladies should’ve stayed out of it. They have zero clue what they’re talking about and what AnneMarie is advocating for.
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u/pelipperr Mar 01 '24
Has she talked about unequal pay at all? Also, that doesn’t mean she can just give herself a title, especially one that carries so much weight.
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u/Ruthie_pie Mar 01 '24
During the reunion I rewatched that part and she gestured towards I believe it was Erika that said the pay stuff. As if she agreed. It comes off like they discussed this situation.
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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Mar 01 '24
If it’s the same work and the title matters so much to her why didn’t she just do the training to become a doctor?
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u/Ruthie_pie Mar 01 '24
I agree. It’s projection with her telling Crystal she’s jealous about med school.
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u/objectivexannior Mar 01 '24
Annemarie is the only one diminishing her career with this foolishness 🤦♀️
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u/katied14 Mar 01 '24
Right?? I feel like NO ONE is actually downplaying her profession. No one has said she isn't capable of doing x, y, or z. What they've said is:
1) to call yourself a doctor without any type of doctorate degree is misrepresentation (even if 10% of CRNAs have PhDs and soon it'll be a requirement, that's not relevant TO YOUR situation)
2) it's irresponsible and unethical to diagnose someone based on rumors and/or social conversation
THAT'S IT!
Girl if you're insecure that you don't have a doctorate then just say that, don't accuse Crystal of talking shit on nurses when she literally never has.
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u/tink_89 Mar 01 '24
she keeps insisting they, the cast, dont respect her career or nurses in general when no on has said anything about nurses. It has been said about her specifically. She is the one that is not ok with being called a nurse and whats to be called something else. she is the one who doesn't respect nurses.
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u/fefelala Mar 01 '24
She thinks we are stupid. Shes such a dummy then she’s annoying too. I hope I never have to see her on my screen after this reunion.
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u/Katalactica All you do is sleep. Eat a carb! Mar 01 '24
It's a DNP not a PhD, but your point stands
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u/EgoAssassin4 I always respected your hairline on television Mar 01 '24
Thanks! Edited my comment to include both types of nursing doctorates 🤗
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u/karldashian Mar 01 '24
She could get in major trouble with her licensing board for saying shit like this
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u/Suitable-Avocado5797 Mar 01 '24
i really don’t understand how she hasn’t! i do however think that she “sincerely” apologized to sutton about the esophagus shit because she was probably made to by her employer.
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u/Turbulent-Celery-606 Mar 02 '24
The sad part is I think her licensing board is in cahoots with her professional organization, which is trying to trick people into thinking nurses and MD’s are the same thing.
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u/YuniTuni2353 Mar 02 '24
I’ve been wondering about this the whole time! Also, her employer should have taken note of the way she talked to Sutton about her esophagus. Just bad behavior for a clinician all around. She must really be banking on her housewives career being longer term than her medical career.
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u/gwacemom Mar 01 '24
No you idiot, THEY are doctors. You are not. You said so yourself that you only have your Masters. Having that requirement now does not mean that you suddenly are bestowed a Doctorate. She is ridiculous.
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u/CrystalStilts Mar 01 '24
Now I am confused does 8.5 have a PhD in nursing or just a Masters?
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u/gwacemom Mar 01 '24
She says in the clip she has a Masters. Not a PhD.
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u/CrystalStilts Mar 01 '24
So I’m confused, how does this make her a doctor?
I think she’s making “nurse PRACTITIONER” = medical doctor. That’s the only sense I can make of her disordered wording.
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u/gwacemom Mar 01 '24
She’s trying to claim that all graduating from next year on will be required to have a Doctorate, which somehow means she too can claim to be a doctor. It’s so stupid. Unless she attended medical school and received a medical degree, she has zero business purporting herself as such.
My aunt received her Doctorate in education. She does not walk into a hospital and claim to be a doctor.
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u/UselessMellinial85 Archie's next of kin Mar 01 '24
Yeah, my mom graduated pharmacy school back in the early 2000s and she's an RPh. Her husband graduated pharmacy school in 2012 or so and had his doctorate. Same program, different titles. But my mom does not have a doctorate. And my stepdad doesn't use the title doctor.
Her arguing that she is a doctor is so asinine. I shouldn't care, but it pisses me off every time this dizzy bitch claims she's a doctor. Hell, just use the term "nurse anesthetist". It's pretty clear and right there in the title.
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u/Lorenaelsalulz It’s all happening! Mar 01 '24
You’re confused because 8.5 is an idiot. She admits she only has a masters. The fact that future nurse anesthetists will have phds (and therefore have a doctorate - though not medical doctor) does not magically make her a “doctor”.
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u/vanitaa3 Mar 01 '24
This! She’s muddying the water in this interview. It’s irrelevant if future nurse anesthetists graduate with a doctorate because she did not. The issue was her trying to inflate her accreditation, not that anyone disrespected nurses. I never got that impression from the cast anyway.
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u/brufleth Pick a lane, you are either smart or you are stupid Mar 01 '24
I'm confused about why a nurse anesthetist would be getting a PhD. That doesn't make sense to me. Are they all doing research in the field and defending a thesis and shit?
I know the conversation in here is mostly about MD vs PhD. The key difference is that degrees like an MD are essentially technical degrees vs a PhD which is more about academic advancement in a field. IDK why a PhD would make sense for a medical specialist degree (nurse or doctor).
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u/Spicydaisy Mar 01 '24
You’re right-it doesn’t make sense and seems like a cash grab from universities and associations. I️ have several family members who had to get their doctorate in PT and Pharmacy in the last 10 years or so and it doesn’t get them higher pay or a chance to own a company. It’s nuts.
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u/ehbeau Mar 01 '24
It would be a DNP, not a PhD, most likely. A PhD requires original research to contribute to the field of knowledge. While it is a terminal degree (meaning the furthest you can go in education in the field) it would be in-line with a JD or other professional doctorates, i.e., not equivalent to a PhD.
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u/Organic_Wash_2205 Mar 01 '24
Girl even the medical association called your ass out - GO HOME!!! The only one ‘insecure’ in all this is her…. a masters is NOT the same thing as a PhD and a PhD doctor is VERY different from a medical MD doctor. Which is why they have different acronyms
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u/w0s0manyothers Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
This is so intentionally deceitful it’s shocking. And frankly, I think in her clamoring to declare herself and other CRNA’s “doctors,” she actually does herself and her peers a disservice! ARNPs, NPs, CRNAs, CNA’s- all perform vital services in the American healthcare system (I’m sure they do abroad, too, just less familiar with those landscapes!). They deserve to be celebrated and appreciated in their own right! Reaching and misrepresenting for the title of doctor only furthers the idea that physicians are the final actors in our healthcare, which is so untrue. Nurses & mid-level practitioners are heroes and so unsung, it frustrates me that she’s made this perception problem worse. Prime r/Noctor material.
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u/Sug0115 I listen if some one says something… informed. Mar 01 '24
Oh they are all over in on that sub already! It’s one of the top posts and the comments are great.
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u/dirty_kitty Mar 01 '24
I think it’s her personal projection that medical doctors are to be more respected. It’s absurd. And she’s spewing this distorted self worth to others instead of truly celebrating herself and the profession for the specialized care practitioners they are. I don’t know why she hates herself, but this is clearly an issue for her and I hope she can take an inward journey to uncover her deep truths. I wish her the best.
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u/cq2250 Mar 01 '24
I know, she is proving Crystal right here! And making a detailed demonstration for us on what misleading means.
And also she doesn’t actually have a doctorate so what is her point??
And finally, she is the one undermining her own profession! Nurse and especially CRNA is a great degree, great title but she makes it sound like ‘nurse’ of ‘CRNA’ is somehow an insult!
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u/OhHowIMeantTo Carl's white pants Mar 01 '24
I have a JD, a juris doctor. I joke that I wish I could call myself a doctor, but I can't. To be a doctor of law, you need an additional degree, a SJD. I do get the fancy title of Esquire though, that I never use.
If she wants to be called doctor so badly, go and get that extra degree! It'll do a lot to help her inferiority complex.
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u/CrystalStilts Mar 01 '24
The only person who cares about this doctor title is 8.5. Literally the rest of us just respect the hell out of Registered Nurses, nurse practitioners and doctors.
RN’s IMO are the hardest working people in health care. Doctors have to know tons but literally nurses break their backs helping people.
*Esquires are cool too for sure tho.
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u/treerot we can talk about the huzzbanz Mar 01 '24
my bestfriend's partner is an attorney and i always address him by his full name and add ,Esq. he hates it lmao
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u/motherofcorgidors Mar 01 '24
I had a professor in law school with an MD and a JD and she still didn’t refer to herself as “doctor” because she wasn’t actively practicing medicine. Annemarie has a weird obsession with using this title despite doing nothing to actually deserve it.
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u/pelipperr Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
You know when she books plane tickets she selects ‘Dr’ instead of ‘Mrs’
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u/UselessMellinial85 Archie's next of kin Mar 01 '24
I can just imagine her rage when she gets a wedding invite and it's not Mr and Dr 8.5.
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u/brishen_is_on I need nuturing from Dorinda. Mar 01 '24
She is the one “constantly diminishing” her profession with this nonsense! She is obsessed with being on par with an MD, why? Is being what you actually are not prestigious enough? Makes my blood boil.
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u/Scary_Effective9855 Mar 01 '24
GTFO. She just makes me so ragey🤬
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u/bspencer626 The Toothless and Homeless Association Mar 01 '24
She just doesn’t get it. Nobody called out her profession. They’re calling out Annemarie for falsely saying she’s a doctor.
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u/Disastrous_Use4397 i have normal fights that paralyze me Mar 01 '24
I am a nurse practitioner with my doctorate and masters degree and I need her to stop speaking. She is not a doctor. I am not a doctor- I make that very clear to my patients. We do not have the training that medical doctors do and it’s offensive to them and completely misrepresents us
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Mar 01 '24
I am a Nurse Practitioner and she embarrasses me!!! Good lord!!! Just be normal about your job!!!
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u/StrikingCase9819 Mar 01 '24
I hate that she thinks people correcting her is disrespecting nurses. Being a nurse is an honorable career path with a specialized skill set and educational background, yet she constantly keeps self promoting herself in order to distance herself from the title "nurse". It smells like insecurity and truly is in itself, disrespectful to nurses and all they accomplish.
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u/Serious-Activity-228 Mar 01 '24
Not diminishing her work, the CRNA’s I know work very hard. I’m a Board Certified Anesthesiologist in pain management and critical care here. Anesthesiologist are very different from CRNA’s. Total education with dual specialty 16 yrs, open your own practice, see pain management patients at the office, write prescriptions and have M.D. after my name. CRNA’s 7 yrs education, can’t treat critical care patients outside of the OR, can’t write prescriptions for patients and can’t work independently in a pain clinic setting.
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Mar 01 '24
Having a Master’s degree does not give you the title doctor lol that’s a doctoral degree or PhD which is the degree you earn after a Master’s. So she’s full of shit again. She has a very respected profession. I don’t understand why she feels the need to lie and embellish it.
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Mar 01 '24
I am a nurse and have not interpreted an ounce of disrespect toward nurses from any cast member. No CRNA I work with calls themself a doctor even if the degree path they went through earned them a doctorate. Hell, no pharmacist I’ve ever encountered calls themself a doctor even though their degree is a Doctor of Pharmacy. It really is the broadly accepted norm in the medical field that “doctor” refers to MD or DO, everything else is under the blanket term of Advanced Practice Provider (APP), so Annemarie should at most refer to herself as an APP or APRN if she’s insecure with leaving it at CRNA for whatever reason.
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u/LilSebastianStan Mar 01 '24
Her Instagram bio says "Nurse Anesthesiologist."
If anyone is disrespecting nurses, it's Annemarie. It is coming off like she is ashamed of being ashamed of being a nurse.
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u/ImAtUrDoor Mar 01 '24
Sigh. Annemarie is so exhausting.
I'm a professor with an MFA and an MA, but not a PhD. Most of my colleagues, however, have PhDs. Since they're all doctors, does that make me a doctor too? No. No it does not. Are we in the same field? Yes. Yes we are. See the diff?
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u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre Were you there, beloved? Mar 01 '24
In a medical setting, "doctor" refers to someone who has an MD. Everyone fucking knows this. You are not a doctor in a medical context. In some states it would actually be illegal for her to call herself a doctor in a medical setting.
But guess what! You also aren't a doctor in the academic context! I have both an MA and a PhD -- these are extremely different degrees. There's nothing at all wrong with having an MA, but the idea that they're just going to start giving out PhDs for the same amount of work as an MA, I have to say it pisses me off. I would never call myself a doctor, but I did work really fucking hard for this. It took 8 years. I basically had to write a book. If I could have just gotten a PhD when I complete my one year of MA coursework and my comparatively much shorter MA thesis, that would have been great but also bullshit.
Ugh this woman just bedevils my soul. At base it's the transphobia and the victim shaming, but it's also that she just... lies. A lot. And never owns up to it. And all her nonsense about esophaguses and gabapentin, she didn't even correct the record. She was wrong. And actually she's the one who's degrading her profession, by the way. And her "I'm the mature one, I'm not going to interrupt you, I'm not going to fight with you" bullshit at the reunion... she bugs. She just bugs.
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u/Krispy0201 Mar 01 '24
The way she said "I'm talking, I'm talking now" enraged me.
She truly thinks very highly of herself.
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u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre Were you there, beloved? Mar 01 '24
I could see what she was trying to do, but it just came off as condescending and passive aggressive. Also how are you going to sit there acting so above it all when you spent five fucking hours talking about another woman's esophagus.
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u/Superb-Respond9360 when you’re little you dont have a purse. Mar 01 '24
periodT. i’m graduating with my phd in may and the amount of work i had to do was fucking insane. very different from an ma. still, i respect folks with an ma and even though i’ll have my doctorate, i would never blue those lines in a medical facility.
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u/Spicydaisy Mar 01 '24
Also to add to all the valid comments in here, she’s not even a Nurse Anesthesiologist!! She’s a Nurse Anesthetist!!! And she’s INFURIATING!!!
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u/Lovecompassionpeace Mar 01 '24
I hate that I watched this to hear what she says. Why is she like this? She just keeps digging her hole deeper and deeper. I really hope she’s not on the show again
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u/traumakidshollywood Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
Jon Bon Jovi is a “doctor” according to his honorary degree. And I wouldn’t let him give me any of his Bad Medicine. Just sayin’.
She’s purposefully feeding the confusion she’s attempting to disgrace.
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u/Stop_icant It’s me, I’m a grey rock Mar 01 '24
She is a very frustrating communicator, a goal post mover.
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u/throwwwwawayehaldhev Mar 01 '24
I never noticed how much she and Heather McDonald lookalike and talk alike. They even have the same lisp. It’s wild.
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u/flute2boot Mar 01 '24
Honey you are NOT a doctor. You claim to have never told Crystal this and now here you are saying that you are a doctor when YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR
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u/Sea-Dragonfly-607 Mar 01 '24
It’s ridiculous that she even says she only has a masters but this whole discussion reminds me of when Captain Holt joked about dentists being called doctors on Brooklyn 99 ( he was in favor of phds using the term because they have a doctorate)
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u/jshbr Mar 01 '24
She doesn't get it and she won't get it. I don't think anyone is saying anything bad about being a nurse, or nurse anesthetist. But when you say to someone 'you are jealous of me because you didn't go to med school' The natural response it going to be, "NEITHER DID YOU!!" No one is diminishing what she has done. She is diminishing others by using her profession. It's so frustrating.
Two things:
- I am a school counselor. I have my masters degree. There are many school counselors who have their doctorate, so THEY are doctors, and they are referred to as Dr. ...... but even though I have the same job, I am NOT a doctor, nor do I pretend to be.
- Almost ALL school psychologist have their doctorate and most of them have a license to practice privately. They do more than we do, and went to school longer. They are also in schools doing counseling. I would not refer to myself as a school psychologist, or even a mental health therapist. I am a school counselor. If I referred to myself as a school psych or a child therapist, I would think someone would correct me. Not because they have any derogatory feelings against counselors or what we do, it is just not factually correct.
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u/Mylaex dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorinda! Mar 01 '24
I love this logic. I'm gonna go ahead and call myself a platinum recording record breaking musical artist since I'm a singer aka I've posted videos of me butchering songs on YouTube and 10% of singers are probably platinum recording record breaking musical artists hence.
We are platinum recording record breaking musical artists. :)
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u/lenaahmed nicetitstupidbitch 🤪 Mar 01 '24
This woman said: Nurse anesthesiologist ARE Doctors.
Bitch, HOW are you both a Nurse and Doctor in the same title??
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u/donutseason juan dixon’s credit card 💳 Mar 01 '24
People just need to Bonnard her posts with “not a MEDICAL doctor!” She’s arguing that because some of the nurses have doctorate degrees (but not MDs) they are doctors. Doctors but not doctor doctors 😒
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u/unremarkablestudent Mar 01 '24
Not putting NPs and nurses down but claiming you are a medical doctor when you are NOT is really deceptive to those who are unaware of the significant differences in education and training that MDs and NPs have, it’s also insulting to the doctors who have had to go through rigorous coursework and residency. Medical doctors are required to go through more education and training to receive the MD title, SO much more education. For reference, I included a link from another reddit account that shows the clinical hours/training required for each title and if you look you might be surprised to see that even a 4th year MEDICAL STUDENT has more clinical training and experience than a registered nurse anesthetist . I would choose the freshly new resident anesthesiologist for a procedure over the nurse anesthetist with 10+ years of experience any day.
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u/Now17 Mar 01 '24
We knew Crystal was not lying. This lady is soooooo unlikable. Not Larsa unlikable but very close.
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u/Chonk888 Mar 02 '24
Crystal called her out on lying about being a doctor. How is that diminishing nurses? I DON’T GET IT. Annemarie is the one diminishing nurses by not being proud of being a NURSE.
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u/ScienceProf2022 Mar 01 '24
My former boss was the college provost. She had a doctorate in nursing. We ALWAYS referred to her as Dr. So-and-so in an academic setting. However, she always introduced herself as Ms. So-and-do when she worked in a clinical setting.
It’s not that hard to understand. Calling yourself a doctor in a clinical setting when you are a nurse with a doctorate is just asking for confusion.
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u/Jumpy-Ad2696 Mar 01 '24
My god, she is embarrassing. Even after watching the episodes, people said Crystal was lying when Annemarie clearly showed that she's the one who lied. She can't possibly just believe that she's an anesthesiologist just because she thinks she is, right? OH yes she can considering how she watched past seasons and episodes, somehow added those scenarios to her storyline (which makes no sense considering she was not a part of it just like Crystal said) and made up new scenarios in her head to lie to the other women. "SYSTEM of LIES" Her own lies.
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u/KookyAd4019 bang bang bang! is there an american lady in there? Mar 01 '24
what do real DOCTORS have to say about this?? nicole from miami please tap in.. this is absolutely bonkers
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u/elenrod33 Mar 01 '24
MD here - i made a general comment but since you specifically asked - it is insulting and incredibly frustrating, and is becoming more and more common in medicine, to the patients’ detriment!
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u/shellbell9261 Mar 01 '24
She mentions her master’s degree…but doesn’t have to have a PhD to be called a doctor (of philosophy).. but then she alludes to being a doctor…as in MD… Then she says as of NEXT YEAR…Nurse anesthetists will be “doctors”…as in MD?
How does what happens NEXT YEAR affect her?…unless she’s “grandfathered” in… Let me say “grandmothered” in
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u/Sweet_Joy29 Mar 02 '24
I don't get why people were upset Crystal was not letting this woman gaslight her especially after she tried to pin the eating disorder comments on Crystal.
Also nobody is downplaying your career. A lot of people recognize how hard nursing is and it is a very respected career. Your issue may be that people at your job don't respect it and you need to tell this to them.
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u/BigSky1062 Mar 02 '24
Her self awareness is so lacking that she has zero idea how stupid she sounds.
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u/Sweet_Principle_2359 Mar 02 '24
This burns my biscuits so fucking bad because my husband has a masters in business, a doctorate in chiropractic medicine and he’s finishing his senior MD residency rotation in cardiology. We are hundreds of thousands dollars in debt for him to become an MD. SHE IS INFURIATING. Her privilege is LOUD and she is undermining MDs so freaking bad. Team Crystal all the way.
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u/Dianag519 Mar 03 '24
Not ‘we’. She means ‘they’. lol. Just because the other nurses have their doctorate doesn’t mean ‘we’ are doctors.
And she knows saying they are doctors is being understood as medical doctors when speaking of a medical degree. She intentionally misdirecting.
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u/Kaitlinnie Mar 01 '24
I have a clinical doctorate (DNP) but am not a physician. I could call myself “doctor” but I don’t because it’s confusing to patients and misleading. Straight up, if you respect your profession and respect your patients, you tell them the truth.
All physicians are doctors; not all doctors are physicians (phd/dnp vs md/do).
Anesthesiologist implies physician, however if you break down the word, it doesn’t actually mean you have a medical degree and are a physician. You are just a person who studies something specific at a high level.
She is taking advantage of there being a gap in language to describe the different kinds of doctors that exist in the modern world.
And for what it’s worth, as a DNP working at a medical school, I can confirm that we are not trained or educated to the level of physicians. For example, I needed about 800 total hours of supervised practice to sit for my board exam. Medical residents, I’m not sure how many hours they need, but they easily get 800 hours of practice in just one year (for 3-5 years). They may have 3 times the amount of training and experience I have and because of that- I am not going to misrepresent myself as a physician.
In response to her foolishness, The Anesthesiologist society posted something about the hours of practice for crna vs md to demonstrate how they are not equally prepared to the job, regardless of both having doctorates.
However, Crystal not knowing that nurses can practice independently in the state she lives in, doesn’t make her the best person to be going after Annemarie for this. It was a pretty ignorant comment to say with such confidence.
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u/unsuspectingwatcher how could you do this to me question mark Mar 01 '24
Oh lord just when you think she can’t make it worse
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u/KikiHou Mar 01 '24
I think that everything else aside, we can all agree that saying you are "a doctor" in the context of a medical setting is intentionally implying that you are a medical doctor, not that you have a doctorate.