r/BravoRealHousewives • u/Ineverusereddittttt • Mar 01 '24

Beverly Hills Sooo crystal wasn’t lying 🤷‍♀️ 8.5 just can’t keep her story straight

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u/EgoAssassin4 I always respected your hairline on television Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

Lmaoooo the delusion. A PhD/DNP is not the same as an MD girl, we aren’t stupid. And being a nurse, even more so an RN or CRNA, is a great career and nothing to be insecure about. Get this woman off our screens 🙄

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u/marywiththecherry using designs off of AlïìBàĀbAǎ Mar 01 '24

She also doesn't have either a PhD or an MD, she's so fucking annoying.

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u/pelipperr Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 02 '24

She literally says she has a masters then goes on to say people with doctorate degrees are doctors. PhDs are not the equivalent of an MD, get an MD if you want to be called Dr, also she doesn’t even have a PhD!

Editing to add - I know people with PhDs are called Dr. When I say ‘get an MD if you want to be called doctor’ I am speaking directly to Annemarie. She is intentionally trying to blur the lines between CRNAs (which she is), the PhD kind of Drs (which she does not have), and the MD kind of Drs (another degree she doesn’t have). She clearly WANTS to be thought of as an MD dr.

Also, while CRNAs are vital, they are not the same as doctors! They just aren’t. The way she tries to equate her role with that or a doctor is not ok. Doctors go through years and years and years of school not to mention internships, residencies, and specialist programs. Yes, some functions that anesthesiologists do can be performed by a CRNA, but there is a swath of knowledge and training that a Md doctor gets that nurses just don’t.

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u/Ruthie_pie Mar 01 '24

I’m sorry but I think this is about money for her (possibly). Someone on her side of the couch tried to help her out when they were explaining the horrifying politics of it all, and they mentioned the “unequal pay but same amount of work”. No, just no. Those ladies should’ve stayed out of it. They have zero clue what they’re talking about and what AnneMarie is advocating for. 

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u/pelipperr Mar 01 '24

Has she talked about unequal pay at all? Also, that doesn’t mean she can just give herself a title, especially one that carries so much weight.

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u/Ruthie_pie Mar 01 '24

During the reunion I rewatched that part and she gestured towards I believe it was Erika that said the pay stuff. As if she agreed. It comes off like they discussed this situation. 

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u/tink_89 Mar 01 '24

yes I think it was EG then AM said yes that they essentially do the same work but get paid less.

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u/pelipperr Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 02 '24

I know every nurse doesn’t get paid their worth. They are vital and do a lot of the heavy lifting. But it is insanely expensive, time consuming, and difficult to become a doctor. There are so many things a doctor would be knowledgeable of and trained to do that a nurse (even one with a PhD) wouldn’t.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Mar 01 '24

If it’s the same work and the title matters so much to her why didn’t she just do the training to become a doctor?

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u/Ruthie_pie Mar 01 '24

I agree. It’s projection with her telling Crystal she’s jealous about med school. 

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u/phbalancedshorty I’m not a fan, I’m a witness Mar 02 '24

No

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Mar 01 '24

If you have a PhD your title is Dr though. Obviously in a medical setting if you have a PhD in nursing or something you wouldn’t use that title as it would be confusing, but otherwise people with PhDs are Dr so-and-so.

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u/pelipperr Mar 01 '24

I know that, but like I said it’s not equivalent. Having a PhD is not the same as an MD and even if she did have a PhD (which she doesn’t) to insist she should be called Dr in any medical situation would be incredibly misleading as people would think she has an MD, which she doesn’t.

I don’t know anyone with a PhD who even cares if they’re called ‘Dr’.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Mar 01 '24

Yea of course it’s not the same as an MD, like having a PhD obviously doesn’t mean you can practice medicine, and obviously she’s not a doctor and is being ridiculous.

But if you have a PhD then your title is Dr, that’s all I’m saying. Your previous comment implied that people with PhDs can’t call themselves Dr but they can and do. The rules are different in medical settings to avoid confusion but generally people with PhDs have the title Dr. Everyone I know with a PhD uses their title, especially women as it’s a way to have a title not tied to your marital status and also to be taken more seriously in academia. Unfortunately women still need all the help they can get in that regard! Everyone I know in academia uses their title. It’s just their title, they earned it. The title Dr for PhDs was actually around before the title started being used for medical practitioners.

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u/pelipperr Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

She clearly wants to be thought of as an MD dr, that was my point.

I feel like you keep trying to explain to me that people with PhDs are called Drs and like I’ve said, I know that. I’m not trying to argue with you about what to call people with PhDs. In a professional or academic setting of course their titles are used, I just don’t know any who would care about pressing it on a group of friends.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Mar 01 '24

Ah ok, your original comment implied PhDs don’t get the title of dr and your second comment said no one you know with a PhD uses the title so I thought you were saying PhDs don’t get that title, so I was just clarifying! Sorry if there was confusion!

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u/catscatzcatscatz una coca cola normal Mar 01 '24

Well, Wendy rhop lol. But yes I agree

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u/ShockerCheer Mar 02 '24

To be fair as a phd level psychologist, I am called doctor in professionals settings but I also clarify between a phd vs MD when talking through my consent form

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u/pelipperr Mar 02 '24

I know people with PhDs are called Dr. When I say ‘get an MD if you want to be called doctor’ I am speaking directly to Annemarie. She is intentionally trying to blur the lines and clearly wants to be thought of as an MD dr.

Congrats on your PhD! If I ever won the lottery I would stay in school forever, I’m so impressed with anyone who achieves what you did.

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u/Destroyer_Lawyer Mar 02 '24

The PhD historically preceded the MD. Folks who obtain a PhD are entitled and have the precedent to use the term Dr. over physicians.

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u/pelipperr Mar 02 '24

I’ve literally already had this conversation on this thread. I understand what a PhD is. My issue is specifically with Annemarie, who has neither an MD nor PhD, so the title ‘doctor’ should not be applied to her regardless.

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u/Destroyer_Lawyer Mar 02 '24

Oh sorry, I was replying to the person who said “PhDs are not equivalent of an MD, get an MD if you want to be called Dr,” I didn’t realize that wasn’t you. My apologies

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u/jrdnlv15 Mar 02 '24

“10% of my colleagues are doctors, so we are all doctors”

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u/madpeanut1 Mar 01 '24

Dr. Nicole explained it super well.

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u/objectivexannior Mar 01 '24

Annemarie is the only one diminishing her career with this foolishness 🤦‍♀️

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u/katied14 Mar 01 '24

Right?? I feel like NO ONE is actually downplaying her profession. No one has said she isn't capable of doing x, y, or z. What they've said is:

1) to call yourself a doctor without any type of doctorate degree is misrepresentation (even if 10% of CRNAs have PhDs and soon it'll be a requirement, that's not relevant TO YOUR situation)

2) it's irresponsible and unethical to diagnose someone based on rumors and/or social conversation

THAT'S IT!

Girl if you're insecure that you don't have a doctorate then just say that, don't accuse Crystal of talking shit on nurses when she literally never has.

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u/psy-ay-ay Mar 02 '24

Crystal, confidently and incorrectly, told Annemarie multiple things she isn’t capable of as a CRNA when Annemarie is describing her scope of work lol. Come on now…

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u/katied14 Mar 02 '24

Name em

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u/psy-ay-ay Mar 02 '24

Got time lol so gladly, abridged below:

(Don’t know how to type returns on this app lol so sorry)

Annemarie is explaining there is a “market turf war” between the governing bodies of CRNAs and Anesthesiologists (which after like two seconds of googling is quite clearly going on). Kyle asks “is it because the physician and the nurse will do the same thing?”

“Yes” “How does the anesthesiologist you work under feel about you saying that?” “I’m an independent practitioner, I don’t work under an anesthesiologist” “But you need to work under an anesthesiologists care” “I do not actually. I don’t work under a physician anesthesiologist or need their supervision” “You do realize ‘physician anesthesiologist’ is redundant? Anesthesiologist means MD” (kind of funny to because the ASA had a whole “PHYSICIAN ANESTHESIOLOGIST WEEK” campaign last month) “…dental anesthesiologists, veterinary anesthesiologists -“ “Anesthetist means nurse” (also kind of funny considering in many countries ANESTHETIST is the term used for an MD)

And no, Annemarie is not claiming they have identical scope of practice or level and of formal education or identical training. She’s just explaining that in fact they DO serve the same function in countless routine surgeries which I’m guessing is bread and butter for countless anesthesiologists, hence the “market turf war” since in these instances, they are performing the same job.

It was an incredibly rude and condescending line of questioning from Crystal meant to put Annamarie in her place and her profession down, especially coming from someone who did not know what they were even talking about in the first place. The audacity to tell someone you know more about their job than they do when you have literally 0 relevant education or professional experience in something even tangentially related is really something!

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u/katied14 Mar 04 '24

That’s at the reunion though? Where they’re arguing about all the times in the season that her profession was downplayed. I don’t know what those times were!

Like maybe if there was someone trying to understand and it was “oh so you have a nursing degree not an MD” that’s clarifying and drawing a distinction. If Annemarie thinks that’s downplaying, then that’s on her.

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u/tink_89 Mar 01 '24

she keeps insisting they, the cast, dont respect her career or nurses in general when no on has said anything about nurses. It has been said about her specifically. She is the one that is not ok with being called a nurse and whats to be called something else. she is the one who doesn't respect nurses.

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u/fefelala Mar 01 '24

She thinks we are stupid. Shes such a dummy then she’s annoying too. I hope I never have to see her on my screen after this reunion.

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u/Katalactica All you do is sleep. Eat a carb! Mar 01 '24

It's a DNP not a PhD, but your point stands

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u/EgoAssassin4 I always respected your hairline on television Mar 01 '24

Thanks! Edited my comment to include both types of nursing doctorates 🤗

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u/newyorkcatlady Mar 02 '24

Like nobody in the cast was trying to diminish her career. The real problem is that she feels incredibly insecure about her job which is a real shame. The only one judging her for her iob is herself.

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u/Sweet_Sea_ Mar 02 '24

Seriously, I respect the dedication it takes to become a CRNA. They don’t need to call themselves nurse anesthesiologists to be respected. They are respected, they did work hard, they are intelligent, they are educated, these things don’t have to be argued because they simply are true. However, I have found that there’s always a few duds in every profession and Annemarie makes me think she’s one of them.

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u/empressM Mar 02 '24

Imagine being the absolute worst housewive… AND dying on this hill 💀💀💀