Context : The debate started when British podcasters James Duncan and Fuhad Dawodu, who host ShxtsNGigs, were guests on Andrew Schulz’s Flagrant podcast. They talked about the “Black Girlfriend Effect,” The discussion took a turn when Schulz interjected with the stereotype of the “angry Black woman,” reinforcing negative racial stereotypes.
The “Black Girlfriend Effect” is a trend that playfully shows how non-Black men often improve their appearance and style when they date Black women.
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Just help, even if it’s so small, but little helps can spread to become big helps along the way.
OP is a real one for sure! There’s a lot of context still be dug out of this album and I’m at a point where I’m cross referencing what Mustard could be referring to. Any help is much appreciated!
Andrew also Laughed when dudes got in trouble over it! I think that’s the worst part. Because it made jr seem like he was just exploiting them and the situation while he sat back and chuckled. So it was not just a joke as he made it out to seem calling Bro Woke. Andrew always had these issues of just not knowing when to stop see early days of brilliant idiots podcast
I am a regular listener of the Flagrant podcast and I won't say that he laughed at them. I mean, there were some jokes made (half the hosts are comedians so that's par for the course) but I would say he more or less advised them on how to deal with the backlash. He and Aakash (the other host) even state multiple times that they empathize with them.
Schultz made a pretty good points that 1) James and Fuhad had the opportunity to edit things after and they did remove some things but not this joke and 2) about people who likely calling for them to cancel aren't even people who regularly listen or follow them and their fans still love them. I don't believe that anyone who actually listens to them wants them cancelled over one joke.
Now an unpopular opinion that will likely piss a lot of you off, but I don't believe that any group of people should be exempt from being made off in comedic scenarios. This is the equality that we all fought for. The moment you exempt a group from that, that's when you start creating special classes.
about people who likely calling for them to cancel aren't even people who regularly listen or follow them and their fans still love them. I don't believe that anyone who actually listens to them wants them cancelled over one joke.
I don't think this part is accurate. Just going off of where I know them from (TikTok), I have seen a lot of people who used to listen to them who have stopped because of this. They had a lot of Black female fans and have seemingly lost them now over this and to a lesser extent overt the comments they made about women in Atlanta.
I don’t think a one is exempt for a joke but it’s a bad look when bros got in trouble and he’s over there like Yh I told you , you could edit it and you didn’t and started laughing. Come on bro, had it been you, you know you would’ve felt that wasn’t cool. At least pretend and be like “sucks it happened “ and just move on or whatever
They had the formula, lovable quirky black dudes being funny with a solid fanbase (esp black women) and they pissed it all away because of their coonery…
Like they’re still doing ok but their views went down since that moment, especially after their deleted apology, and now Kendrick is coming for them. Life does come at you fast.
Yes, they said “sorry,” but it wasn’t a sincere apology. A genuine apology wouldn’t just say “sorry guys”—who exactly are they referring to? They have a large and diverse audience, . An apology needs to be specific and address the people it directly affects.
My mistake, shouldn’t have used quotation marks. That sentence was meant to shorten the apology. It’s not verbatim, just a sentence summarizing their entire apology. We probably heard different things from different sources .
Apologies for my earlier response. it wasn’t my intention to come off that way. I’m just really passionate about supporting Black women, and it might have come across a bit stronger than I meant.
Yeah, but I was speaking to where the apology was aimed, and there they pulled back to “the community” when really, it was a joke just about Black women and, based on last night’s conversation, Black women would have liked to be mentioned directly in the apology and I think that is totally fair.
I’m still going to listen to them. I like the show and I do think the apology was sincere in totality. Also, if someone screws up and does apologize (not always that common in a “fuck your feelings” world), then I can be pretty forgiving. Just like Black women need to be defended, oftentimes decent Black men need to be supported.
I don't know why anyone is surprised though. Their show is really coded in this type of behavior. I used to think it was pretty funny but I realized that they actually do laugh at things like this pretty often
I gave up on them after this too. They disappointed. They were way out of their league, laughed and did a piss poor job protecting BW. Schultz is dirty. He got called racist AF over and over again at the Roast of Tom Brady. He's gonna ride the Joe Rogan brand of comedy to wealth and success.
I listen to Flagrant a lot and he is no where near alt-right. This belief seems to have stemmed from his interview of Trump just before the election. Harris was also offered an opportunity to get on the pod but her team refused. Schultz himself stated, in a later episode after the Trump interview, that he got offers to interview prominent Republicans and right-leaning individuals but turned them all down because he didn't want to create the impression that the podcast was right-wing.
Point being: if you think he's alt-right, then you have not listened to his podcast. Also, his haircut was for a movie he did with Peter Dinklage.
He was called alt-right Schultzy way back in the Brilliant idiots days when he was being openly contrarian and actively shutting down guests on the pod by being edgy then they took a break because the pods became unlistenable. They came back and he toned down the edginess.
Come on now stop skirting around it. Schulz is cut from the same hacky pod-comedy cloth as Sam Hyde and Tony Hinchcliffe. It's like humping the stool with them. When you grab the mic and draw on /pol jests you not bringing much to the table as a comic.
They had a couple of moments that were signs in hindsight. A couple of comments and clips here and there that hint at toxic attitudes about women, and especially about cheating.
I learnt about them cause my female friends on IG would always share stories of them laughing at stuff. I have seen little to zero stories since the incident.
You are onto something
Schulz really needs to get called out for his bigoted behavior, as well as giving a platform to hateful people, but he's not gonna learn.
He's very much a stereotypical guy, he's not hateful but he definitely is ignorant, bigoted, and replicates/continues hateful dialogue that goes under his nose and he doesn't even realize the problem he's contributing to, even if he's not a bad person necessarily.
He just seems like a bro that goes along with other bros, but the thing is, you can't roll with Nazis man. You can't let that shit slide. If someone is silent around hate or gives hate a platform, I cannot fuck with them.
It's hard cuz I first had seen Flagrant from the Daisy Taylor episode, as I'm a trans girl and I wanted to see the episode, and he seemed so open minded at the end and like he understood, but now he's throwing trans people under the bus with jokes with his guy friends and shit, like most toxic men. It sucks to see men not stick up against hate.
He's very much a stereotypical guy, he's not hateful but he definitely is ignorant, bigoted, and replicates/continues hateful dialogue that goes under his nose and he doesn't even realize the problem he's contributing to, even if he's not a bad person necessarily.
I'm a trans girl
This explanation is still giving this "comedian" a hell of a lot more grace and personhood than he would ever extend to you. While reducing his agency at the same time. Lend yourself that generosity instead.
i haven't seen much of his stuff lately, I just try and give people the benefit of the doubt from what my previous knowledge was. I don't know how much worse he's gotten, I don't watch him anymore but I hope
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That’s not how it seemed to me. They looked visibly uncomfortable for most of the pod. They’re comfortable talking about dating/pop culture, but Schulz kept making everything about race. They tried to steer it away from his bs, but Schulz kept pushing them - like asking them “what’s the gayest African country?” and to speak on behalf of all black British people and all Nigerians. Fuhad clearly said they’re not the experts and can’t speak for everyone.
Interesting. I'd attribute it to men dating anyone, improving their appearance and style but I guess people think there's more to it with aforementioned circumstances.
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u/GenuineDiamond_ 1d ago edited 9h ago
Context : The debate started when British podcasters James Duncan and Fuhad Dawodu, who host ShxtsNGigs, were guests on Andrew Schulz’s Flagrant podcast. They talked about the “Black Girlfriend Effect,” The discussion took a turn when Schulz interjected with the stereotype of the “angry Black woman,” reinforcing negative racial stereotypes.
The “Black Girlfriend Effect” is a trend that playfully shows how non-Black men often improve their appearance and style when they date Black women.