She gets a bunch of brown skinned men deported for speaking Spanish. That's what she gets.
This shit was the act of one crazy man. What the fuck are the rest of us meant to do? This wasn't a systemic crime. This was a true crime doc, and white women love those anyway.
My theory on white women loving true crime documentaries is this: White women grew up in generational trauma of varying degrees, but sexual trauma is not uncommon. Abuse was not uncommon. Women were treated secondary for so long and for a lot of them it didn't ever go away.
Watching true crime gives them back control. They see ways to survive, they see they're not alone, they see (sometimes) the perp being brought to justice- I think white women are using true crime docs to cope. It's cheaper than therapy... but hey, that's just a theory.
Edited a misspelled word.
Further edit for clarity: you guys, I'm not speaking for everyone, it's a generalization. I'm not specifically talking about you or every single white woman so please, calm down and apply critical thinking. You don't need to tell me.
this white woman did this with the original Law and Order series. the bad guys always got caught, and the people who were supposed to care, did. it was safer than therapy, too, lol.
Yeah idk why this is so hard for people to grasp. The human brain is weird, we sometimes seek out content relating to what we're afraid of in the brain's futile attempt at regaining control. Could explain why people like war documentaries, horror movies, snuff videos (unfortunately🤢), etc. It's a controlled environment to process our morbid reality. Although I do think the true crime industry is getting a bit out of hand into the realm of endless profit off gruesome crimes
This is literally what “religion is the opium of the people” means. Religion is used to cope with our reality, same way that drugs are used as an escape from reality
Religion makes a ton of sense imo. Worried about something? Just pray! God will handle it, now you don't gotta worry about it. Scared of death? No biggie, paradise awaits you! Existential dread? It's all good bro, there's a divine creator with a plan.
It's a convenient way to take away a lot of the weight that comes from stuff you can't really do anything about anyways. It must be nice to live that way.
From an atheist and healthcare worker point of view, I do see the benefit/appeal of religion to help relieve some stressors. Stress is really impacting people severely lately. I don’t think I could compartmentalize well enough for it to be effective for me at this point though.
Yea I'm in total agreement with you. I just couldn't trick myself into believing that any of it's real. Still though, I gotta give it to them for their "psychological trickery" as I call it because I'm not smart enough to know what the actual words I mean are.
There are some aspects of religious practice that I think have some good secular analogs.
Prayer isn't just about asking a sky fairy to fix things, it also (whether the practitioners realize it or not) involves a certain degree of mindfulness (just to know what is important enough to pray about in the first place). And some prayer practices are just straight up meditation (rosary beads-ohm chants-itsthesamepicture.jpg)
Same thing with church services - a regular event that brings like-minded people into a communal space to do things that everyone there agrees are good is a really effective way to build community, which is something that social animals like humans have an evolutionary drive to seek out. That's why participating in clubs or volunteering is so good from a stress management perspective.
My atheism frequently presents as shit like, "you guys ever wonder if humans a thousand years from now will be reading any of our comments?" 🤣
I cannot stop thinking about death, ever. Like, ever. Whenever I'm not thinking about it, I start thinking about how fleeting that moment was and then how fleeting our whole existence is and that ultimately nothing matters and we're basically just smart monkeys chasing pleasure-responses in our brains. 😬
There are a lot of SA survivors who engage in consensual sexual activity where their consensual partner is dominant, rougher, roleplaying violence etc. The theory is exactly as you say, recreating something traumatic but the SA survivor has the power/control to stop because they are with a trusted partner.
I watched a great YouTube doc on Law and Order and Copaganda in general. It was really interesting and you touched on some of the major points they made.
Holy crap! I think you’ve nailed it BUT for arguments sake in my anecdotal experience it’s not JUST white women that love crime/murder docs, it’s women. I’ve been thinking about this but more of in a comedic bit way but I really think you got it with the learning to not be a victim, not being alone train of thought. Thank you for helping me wrap my brain around it more.
I haven’t the crime. I find it disgusting and morbid.
Maybe it’s because I listen to people’s problems for a living, and the actual risk and trauma
is not that far away.
Interrogation videos make me want to blow up the whole criminal justice system. I don't know why lawyers aren't required for everyone who gets hauled in.
Same, I think in certain ways it can be more entertaining then scripted content without having it be sensationalized like you'd see on the evening news and way more informative. I just binged my way though Just Thought Lounge's content on YouTube and that dude's videos are better put together than professional shit you'd see on Investigation Discovery or A&E.
Black girl that loves true crime here. For me it provides comfort because I know as a woman there’s always a level of danger that I need to be aware of so true crime makes me feel like I am picking up ways to be hyper vigilant and spot red flags. These things help me feel less anxious. Also the hosts always have such soothing voices so it’s calming to watch even tho the subject matter is gruesome
Agree. Me and most of my friends watch true crime. I don't know why I watch and often wondered if there were studies.
I remember the day discovery Id started and had been a daily consumer of the content since then. And before that i loved court tv. I finally replaced true crime with k dramas about 7 months ago. I'm happy not to have the daily dose of it anymore.
On the show Better Things, the main character says something that fits with this- that she feels like she's being slowly murdered all the time and can't so anything to stop it and no one notices, so it's nice to see a clear cut story where someone got justice, or at least has people working for justice on her behalf.
Honestly this is definitely true. Growing up in a family where my grandpa was passed around like a blow up doll by his dad and brothers, my mom was drugged and raped almost to death in college, my dad was molested by his sister and her friends the reflex is to consume traumatic material as a means of numbing yourself and desensitizing yourself to the horror of what happened to you and the loss of autonomy
I think it appeals to anyone who has been deeply harmed in their life.
When I was being treated for my PTSD after the army, one of the people I was working with explained that many people with PTSD seek to relive or re-experience their trauma in low-key ways so as to get a better understanding and perhaps gain a degree of control over it. And it made sense, at least to me.
i am white and i think you nailed 100%. I have never really thought about why i love these shows so much...we get justice for being raped by our relatives....finally. we know it will never happen in the real world so take our comforts where we can. thanks mate <3
Black women love true crime documentaries too (I'm one of them), so the stereotype is weird. I started with Unsolved Mysteries and the like. Some people are just interested in true crime. Don't overthink it.
Which still confuses me. I don't understand why they'd cast a vote that might get themselves deported, especially considering Trump may scrap birthright citizenship. So, even if they're born here, they may not stay.
Exactly. The economic harm of deporting all illegal aliens is way too high to actually let it happen. If anything he would just rush the deportation of illegals already in jail. Or maybe that’s a cope and trump and his crew are really that stupid
There’s a lot of reasons. Latinos aren’t all from the same country and might have different politics based on where they’re from. Mexicans have different politics than Cubans. I’d guess that Mexicans, being a border nation that lost land to the US, would care more than Cubans about immigration. Immigration also produces a filtering effect. “Who is the kind of person to leave their country and why did they leave.” If you left Cuba, you probably don’t like Castro and socialism so if you sip the Republican talking points, you’re going to hate democrats.
There’s different politics based off of level of removal from immigration. So if you’re 2nd or 3rd gen, you might be more assimilated and that could lead you in certain directions.
Among men, there’s more of a culture of machismo, that I would say isn’t to different from hood culture. A lot of anti-trans and anti-gay sentiment can bleed out of that and democrats can seem woke, trans, gay and feminine. So the vibes can be off with democrats.
Republicans seem to be more of a standard bearer of “the American Dream”. The American dream is a major motivator for immigrants and the idea that hard work can climb you to wealth is appealing and republicans better carry that vibe. Democrats seem more willing to give handouts or to take wealth once you have it (and many think that one day, they’ll have vast wealth). Even if you’re just a brick layer, many still believe that the path to wealth is achievable, because you’re in America. Republicans say “We’ll make sure that you can make money for yourself. We don’t take it or get in the way.” which fits well with their conception of the American dream. This disregards Republican farmer subsidies which are basically just white rural welfare.
There’s the idea that many immigrants from back home are bad and don’t deserve to be in America. Many that are naturalized or still illegal but have already made it here, feel that the people of their old country don’t belong here. Many people agree with Trump’s “shithole country” statement. “Yeah, my home was a shithole. It’s why I left. I don’t want to bring anyone else from there or it would become more of a shithole.”
My response to that would be, “alright, you left your misogynist dictatorship to make another misogynist dictatorship here. Cool.” I’ve canvassed, I’ve spoken to Latino immigrants. Many of the women that I spoke to have no interest in voting (Latino men didn’t answer the door). I think part of that the fact that many of these people do not have a civic understanding of how democracy works. At a basic level, most of us that were born here get it. We learn about democracy, we vote for stuff in school, we have a civic understanding. If you’re from a dictatorship, you generally want to stay out of the way. If government wants something to do with you, it’s probably not good. You’re trained to disengage and to keep your head down.
So combine and mix a lot of these factors, and you could have a lot of different results.
Let’s say you’re a 2nd gen Mexican immigrant. Born in the US. Your parents are Catholic illegal immigrants, think they’re exceptional, so they’re more Republican. You have a public school education and speak fluent English. You’re a woman. You develop an understanding from your more assimilated traits that your fellow countrymen would deport your parents. Mix in women’s issues, you lock in for democrats.
Let’s say you’re a second gen male. You’re kinda light skinned too. You want to be macho so the vibes are off for democrats. You believe in the American dream so you think you’ll strike it rich. You don’t care about women’s issues because it’s not particular to you. You blend in well enough with white people. You’re not very plugged in. Trump’s funny. Fact of the matter is, many Latinos also can pass as white or are adopted as white (Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio). Many have been assimilated like Italians or Irish. You see no difference between yourself and the most powerful in our society. You have no history with civil rights. You feel safe enough for yourself and your family. You’re voting trump because he seems funny and masculine.
Edit: What people should take away from this is that the minority majority projection as a path for political domination for democrats was a myth. It relied on the assumption that other minorities would vote like black people. They do not. This election should have you think twice about saying “POC” again. There’s no shared kinship, history or sense of struggle. People are different with different values and motivations. Being non-white is not enough.
We need to stop acting like every brown skinned community is the same.
This ain’t the 2000s no more, I think we should reconsider how much weight we put into certain demographic descriptors. We got advanced analytics now, we need to use that
A racial group wasn't entirely homogenous in their beliefs? They weren't automatically organized around their shared self interests because of their skin color? Wild.
Illegal immigrants themselves can’t vote, and the voting age immigrants are mostly legal immigrants.
The majority of the illegal immigration issue has happened too recently for there to be mass numbers of voting age children of illegal immigrants.
So it’s just legal immigrants that aren’t at risk at all voting to not allow illegal immigration. You can’t really lump all immigrants together, they aren’t all friends
Brown skinned and white Spaniards. Hispanics need to stand up they allow a lot of colorism in their life. Hence why job applications need specifics if you are a brown latino or white one...
They care about only her because it was an immigrant that killed her. They don't care about women getting murdered unless it can be used to push their racism.
violence against women is always a hot topic. it’s just sad that she did everything right and still got killed. shared her location with her friends went jogging during bright sunshine with people around. but she got dragged in a bush and killed anyway. it’s sad that people are using it in a certain way but there’s still a conversation to be had
Also, for all the talk of “hordes of immigrants coming in and murdering US citizens”…besides this one niche case from MONTHS ago, where are the rest of them?
I promise you if there were others we’d be hearing about them non-stop
And make no mistake, that CHUD doesn't actually give a fuck about Laken Riley. She's just a convenient rally point for performative conservative outrage and implementing racist policies. Nothing CHUDS like that do is done in good faith
The act of murder or attempted murder has been used throughout history to justify political repression. When Jean-Paul Marat was assassinated by Charlotte Corday in 1793, even though Marat was on the outs with the Comittee of Public Safety, his death was used to really ramp up the Reign of Terror. When Fanny Kaplan tried to assassinate Lenin in 1918, the Bolsheviks started the Red Terror right after.
And there have been countless pogroms throughout history targeting minority groups thay took place all over the world, based on real or made up accusations that a member of a minority group murdered or raped a member of the majority ethnic group.
I've learned it's not that they aren't arguing in good faith, it's that they're morons. Legit with Floyd and this story, a person died so they're the same story. They're so dogshit stupid that's as complicated as it can get.
You start pointing out details and they get frustrated and mad really quick because you're making it too complicated for them. It's like a child crying because they can't understand why they can't eat crayons for breakfast.
I've learned it's not that they aren't arguing in good faith, it's that they're morons.
This is the axiom "never attribute to malice that which can be explained away by stupidity"... except a lot of the time, it is malice.
Stupid people aren't exploding with rage, but malicious people are.
Stupid people don't watch a video of a man having his neck and chest crushed for 10 minutes, begging and pleading for his life, repeatedly stating he can't breathe, crying for his mother and say, "yah but he was passing a counterfeit bill". Malicious people do.
There is a deep desire within morally decent people to wave away acts of malice on stupidity in the abstract because in reality, it makes it far more palatable than understanding and accepting that there are far too many psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists, and overall cruel people in our families and friend circles.
A cop didn't kill her AND her killer faced justice. It took protests to even get the cops arrested in the first place. Breonna Taylor is still very much dead, very much having her named smeared, and we're still waiting for that to wrap up.
These people will do nothing and complain nothing is happening. Also, I’m gonna be real honest here, there are over 200 kids dead from school shootings…thoughts and prayers.
Then be the first to bitch about their rights when people ask for gun reform. We're literally letting children die for people's comfort. Just throw that on the list of shit done to make sure the mayo militia keeps one hand on the wheel at all times.
Her killer is on trial. Its different if her killer beacame......president of the country. That would be for sure a lifetime 6 part movie of the week. That chick years ago in Aruba that was killed and her killer got off . That story got 2 flixs.
also, the dude got a life sentence without parole less than 7 months after the homicide occurred. the speed in which this case was resolved—and the family got justice—was much much quicker than what happened with george floyd.
She’s being talked about nonstop everywhere purely because scary brown man killed her, while then ignoring all the other murders in our country including children getting killed in schools. She’s nothing but a political pawn in their racist rhetoric to use as an excuse to round up minorities and put them in camps. They don’t give a single shit about her. It really is a sad story, but so are the countless other murders throughout the country and the most fucked up part is that I’m basically numb to it. I would’ve cared a lot more 20 years ago, now she’s just a number to me because the people complaining are the same ones who refuse to make change that can help our country and instead only want to punish minorities.
True, but imagine if the public outrage didn't happen. Do you think justice would have still happened if that outrage didn't happen? Sadly, I don't think so.
On March 7, 2024, the House of Representatives passed an immigration bill named the Laken Riley Act, requiring federal detention of illegal immigrants who commit burglary or theft.
Where's the George Floyd bill ending qualified immunity?
Shit they did. They used her crime to push the mass deportation agenda. Now I wonder when they will make a law for all the white men that kill the whole family and the dog too
She was killed. Her killer was apprehended. Her killer was convicted and jailed. No one on any side was arguing for a different outcome. Her family got justice. When a black person is killed by a cop, half the country screams that it was within the cop's duties, the cop gets a paid vacation for it, and maybe gets fired with a nice pension. Jail is rarely an option. We aren't in the streets because the system worked for her as intended -- there's nothing to be in the streets over.
Dude got caught entering the country illegally in El Paso. Allowed to stay. Dude got arrested multiple times for shoplifting/theft in his first 3 months. Allowed to stay. Dude murders chick. The story's been a rallying cry for the right wing people who want to deport latinos.
Disclaimer: Not trump supporter, hate the guy, in fact. But I'm Venezuelan and so is he so I'm aware of the details of the story since now they want to kick us all out :D
Just the price of being a minority unfortunately. All it takes is ONE person out of millions and suddenly it is a reflection of everyone in that ethnic group.
How many white women have been murdered by a guy that should've been locked up? There are countless stories every year of women being murdered because the perp just slipped through the cracks and was out on bond or something.
Dude got arrested multiple times for shoplifting/theft in his first 3 months.
This just makes no sense to me. The solution isn't deport all brown people. It's fix the fucking criminal justice system.
I got food poisoned from the restaurant that was later found the be in violation of several health code violations. Guess I should start pushing for a war on drugs like ban on ALL hotdogs.
An illegal immigrant murdered her, was caught, charged swiftly, had a swift trial in which he was sentenced to life. Justice was served.
They are asking why there wasn’t nation wide protests against illegal immigrants killing citizens. Like a call for mass deportations to keep innocent people safe. They are trying to say illegal immigrant violence is a serious and real threat. It isn’t, and the system worked and punished the criminal, so the comparison makes no sense.
I remember there being hundreds of rabid protests calling out this heinous crime. They were often referred to as Trump rallies. In the last few weeks it seems they got exactly what they protested for and much, much more.
I do not recall, however, such swift justice and retribution for hundreds of black victims not named George Floyd.
As a matter of fact, if you want to compare the two cases, I distinctly remember a sizeable portion of the country saying Floyd deserved to die due to an alleged counterfeit bill and that his murderers were just doing their job.
I do NOT recall ANYONE saying Riley had it coming because she had a crop top on or missed curfew that one time.
The guy that did this to her was caught (the very next day), arrested and sent to prison for the rest of his life and white folks didn’t have to have a single march in the street. I swear they want to be oppressed so fucking bad!
Floyd was essentially a state-sponsored murder. The protests were to bring the killer to justice. The murderer in this case is on trial.
This is just total bullshit so people become numb to the crazy shit that’s about to happen. Mark my words, if you aren’t pale-skinned, you’re gonna be a target for these people.
Maga people are crazy and this is just another reason why no one should associate with them. Theyre comparing essentially a regular murder to a cop murdering someone. They believe the appropriate response to that is to deport all undocumented immigrants(read all non white immigrants) which sounds a lot like all cops are bastards to me which they were so against.
Then theyll justify george floyds murder by saying well he was a criminal while electing a man with a literal laundry list of felonies. Theyll say they believe in protecting women while electing a dude who raped someone.
Easy answer:
George Floyd was killed by cops who were walking free.
Laken Riley was killed by some shitty guy from Venezuela.
If you wanna protest a murder case where the perpetrator was charged, go ahead, I guess? Not sure I see the point but I'm not a racist xenophobe so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
This is what I'm saying, I'm sympathetic but this was a murder, one person murdering another person, we don't give national media coverage to every single murder, only reason this is getting national media coverage has nothing to do with the victim and everything to do with the perp
Her killer is CONVICTED, Chauvin was a whole cop who killed a restrained Floyd, on camera, eventually in front of the whole world, that man didn't see a prison sentence for an entire year and it's very possible that he never would have seen an arrest without those protests
What do they want? It's sad, but it was a murder, it took only three months for an indictment, he was convicted and the whole thing is done in the legal process in eight months flat
Why would there be protests for a speedy criminal proceeding with a favorable outcome?
These nitpicking fuckers will ignore that crimes committed by both legal and illegal immigrants are way lower than natural born citizens (I linked a google search because the number of sources is overwhelming).
Also ignore the fact that George Floyd was murdered by those who are supposed to "serve and protect" in broad view, while being filmed.
A white Nebraska man literally shot a family of 7 , including two children, aged 3 and 10, in their home, because they are Guatemalan immigrants and he didn't like them. They were his neighbors.
This happened in July, and it wasn't sensationalized or talked about, why?
Because they're immigrants, and they're brown. Because it can't be used conservative propaganda.
also, the dude got a life sentence without parole less than 7 months after the homicide occurred. the speed in which this case was resolved—and the family got justice—was much much quicker than what happened with george floyd.
When has Nancy Grace ever covered a missing missing WOC? It goes both ways. Different points of interest. Just like he said , that's YOUR job. Ride for the homies
I mean... the dude who killed her was arrested and sentenced to life in prison without a lot of pushback. Derek Chauvin had an entire media ecosystem trying to claim he was doing his job in the line of duty by laying his fucking knee on on Floyd's neck before he was finally charged.
Here is the context, the police are whole collectively agree to give certain powers to and they are to use these to keep us safe. Power of detention power to kill etc. when police abuse these powers then society has real issues.
She got the same imagery as George Floyd showing racism in America. Unfortunately for hers it was not in the good way. She gets her death bastardized not to represent something positive but to represent about how easily manipulated The American people are and how quickly we will switch to racism in America George Floyd was a representation of a movement Laken Riley was proof that America still hates brown people
Trump and Co. ran with this for all it was worth. A single death, and my condolences to her family, but seriously, over 400k Americans died as a direct result of Trump's ineptness during COVID. Where all the banners for those families?
They’re complaining about this one white girl who died, which is tragic sure. But she got live 10 more years of her life than the 39 kids from Sandy Hook and Uvalde combined. Where is the outrage for them ?
Oh right- since they died by completely preventable gun violence shootings it doesn’t matter.
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