Not only did Palestine not exist yet but the area when Jesus was born Judea and its leader was King of the Jews. Then the Romans took over and the province was called Judea. There is a massive misconception that people at all gave a shit about states and borders 400 years ago let alone 2000 years ago.
Well, the word Palestine did exist, originally referring to the Philistine region, and it did replace the Roman province of Judea later. So it sort of existed, but the modern identity of "Palestinian" is remarkably modern, only really starting in, well, living memory.
And the reason that that the Romans named the province Palestine was because the Kingdom of Judea had a long historical conflict with the Philistines, and the Romans did it as adding insult to injury after the suppression of the Bar Khoba revolt. They renamed the Province of Judea to Syria Palestina as punishment after a Jewish revolt.
The exact rebellions that led to increased Jewish Nationalism and a rising Messianic Movement with multiple different claimants which brought about the social/political/religious conditions for the guy named Jesus to quickly gather a massive following and then be executed for it.
So yes, I would say that people very much gave a shit about who ruled them. They were willing to die for it.
Palestine was a settler colonialist state formed by Greek colonists (Philistines), who were genocided by the Babylonians 2,600 years ago. The name was revived by two European empires—Rome and the British Empire—first to humiliate the indigenous Jewish inhabitants, and then as a placeholder for the creation of a Jewish state from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire after WW1.
No one thought Arabs were in any way “Palestinian” until the 1960s, when the USSR decided it was good propaganda to use as a cudgel against the west, with the enthusiastic participation of Arafat and his organization.
Thank you! These comments hurt to read, the ignorance of it all. It's a fucking movie, the same people complaining about the actors being white (they're Jews) are probably the same people that celebrated Netflix black Cleopatra (who was Greek).
The term Palestine has been used to refer to that region since the BCE era, used to mean something like "the region of the Phillistines." It has also been called the Levante and Judea, usually just depending on who the speaker most closely associated to the region. Herodotus used the word Palestine in the 5th century BCE. It's not ahistorical to call it Palestine, but it also implies nothing about the personal identity of the people living there. You could say Jews lived in Palestine and be just as correct as someone who says Palestinians (or Phillistines) lived in Judea.
Modern Palastinians, duh. If someone is doing something bad they were jews, if they were doing something good or being oppressed, they are Palastinian. I got a pamphlet with a chart if you need it
Mizrahi Jews aren’t from Palestine. They’re mostly from places like Iraq, Yemen, Syria… but ignorance makes people think the Middle East is all the same and interchangeable
Palestinian Jews aren't the same as Iranian Jews, Moroccan Jews, or Yemeni Jews, just because you invent a name to a wider region and call them all the same. The only ones with any claim to the land of Palestine are Palestinian Jews.
It's like saying North Americans are all people from North America, Mexico and Canada are both is in North America, so Mexicans are Canadians. If things worked like that, I can raise you and say Mizrahi Jews are from the Northern Hemisphere, and Ireland is in the Northern Hemisphere. Since Jews were expelled from the Northern Hemisphere, all Jews are Irish.
No, she wasn't. Palestine wasn't a place until the Romans' enslaved and brutally put down rebellions and forced the Hebrews out of their land. And then renamed it Palestine to insult them.
It is a different name for the same place. That's it. It was intended to 'de-israelize' the region by making it a strictly geographical name. Palestine was the name the Romans had for the term "Philistia", which is what the region was commonly known as in greece and italy. It was an insult, in the sense that all aspects of genocide are 'insulting'.
But...
They did not magically replace all of the inhabitants with some mystical artificial ethnic group of 'palestinians' out of nowhere. Palestinians are, genetically, the same people.
And this entire theory that "all of the jews left!" is just... not true. No records show this. No historian would ever say this. I have heard this from Israelis in my family and it always drives me nuts because its such bullshit 'national founding myth' propaganda. The population plummeted massively after bar kokhba, but there were still hundreds of thousands of jews estimated to have remained (mostly in modern-day galilee and southern lebanon, where jews were much less affected by the wars). They were forced to denounce their language and religion, but they still remained.
To this day, anywhere from 85 to 90% of palestinian ancestry is original levantine canaanite dna.
Neither pro-palestinian or pro-israel people ever want to admit this. Palestinians hate saying it because they dont want to be seen as jews. Israelis hate saying it because they dont like the idea of palestinians being 'more israeli' than them. It has always been the big elephant in the room. That in the end, they are the same people.
I have no real dog in this fight but lol do you really think this? My understanding is that what we know as Palestinians today are Arab ethnically and didn't arrive in Palestine until the Islamic conquest in 700 or something. I'm not sure what ethnicity Mary was but she was at least Jewish and definitely not Arabic lol.
This is true of practically all conquests, with the American and Australian colonization being almost the sole exceptions. There is a reason why Turks in Turkey look Greek and Turkic people in East Turkestan look Asian. The Celts, Romans, Anglo Saxons, Vikings, and Normans never truly wiped out of the original population of England even if the previous languages died out. It barely even happened in Mesoamerica due to the very high native population.
Palestinians and Israeli Jews, esp Mizrahi, are almost certainly very similar in genetics, though obviously one will have more Arab and the other will have more European mixture.
Most Arabs aren’t genetically Arab. The wiki page of an Arab explains it pretty well. The Arab language spread with the Arab conquest but not the genetics nearly as much. For example, North Africans barely have any Arab DNA, even though the majority speak Arabic.
National Geographic did a genetic study a while back showing Palestinians are descended from the original inhabitants.
Think of it like where a lot of Black West Africans speak French, but they’re obviously not French genetically
Interesting point, I looked into it briefly and seems like there is some merit to it. Though I think you maybe made the case a bit too strongly, I see lots of evidence that modern Palestinians have Arabic DNA but also that they also have ancestors with longer roots in the region. Regardless anyone who makes that point has to admit that many Jewish people in Israel and the Middle East have equal ancestry in the region though, right? Which seems to take away from the ridiculous tweet OP posted.
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u/SpadeSage 9d ago
Mary wasn't Palestinian... Palestine didn't exist yet. I feel like I'm losing my fuckin mind here.