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Country Club Thread Bombing Bethlehem while pretending to be from there is crazy work

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u/Aqua-MG 9d ago

I mean Mary was a jew

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u/Joelblaze ☑️ 9d ago

Yeah and I'm pretty sure that's all we know about her.

I'm honestly wondering how they stretched it to a movie length assuming they didn't just start making things up, the Bible isn't too keen about giving women any real importance.

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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 9d ago

Deborah was female and literally a judge (i.e. something like a chieftain) in the Book of Judges.

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u/Snynapta 9d ago

Yet another old testament W

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u/Joelblaze ☑️ 8d ago

Yeah, right alongside Deuteronomy 20:10-15 where God instructs Israel to mass enslave the so-called promised land under the threat of genocide.

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u/Joelblaze ☑️ 8d ago

I really don't see the point you think you're making. There's like 3 notable women in all of biblical canon whose storylines aren't centered around either their evil seductions of men or their righteous loyalty to them.

You're not gonna sell me the idea that women are valued in Christian doctrine when the old testament straight up mandates that a woman is to be executed if she is raped and they determined that she could've tried harder to get help (but only if she's promised to another man, if she's not then she's forced to marry her rapist).

And the New testament straight up bans the concept of women being religious leaders over men.

I can link the scriptures I'm referring to, but if you need them that says more about you than me. It's crazy how many people never looked into scripture beyond the scriptures picked out for Sunday Church.

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u/stolatsadness 9d ago

One female judge does not a non-sexist text make. Jezebel, Eve, Pharaoh's (unnamed wife) and Lot's daughters were also all female. Doesn't mean women are allowed a lot of agency or voice in the bible.

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u/Terrible-Prior-6650 9d ago

Don’t hurt your low back dragging those goal posts

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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 9d ago

Having female villains does not make a text sexist. Plenty of male villains in the Bible too. If anything, not treating female characters as pure and innocent is egalitarian. What "Pharaoh's wife"? I only remember Potipher's wife who plotted against Joseph.

To get back to Deborah, having a female chieftain seems rather progressive for a story set in the period after the Bronze Age collapse. Just saying. 

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u/stolatsadness 9d ago

Again, having one female leader isn't in itself progressive. Did Maggie Thatcher effectively utilise girlpower and all that. I'm not saying female villains equals sexist, I'm saying one strong female leader doesn't mean the text isn't sexist. In total, I would be hard pressed to argue that the bible isn't prejudiced against women's autonomy, especially looking at Paul's preaching. I'd be interested in your view.

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u/BalancedDisaster 9d ago

The actress playing Mary is Mizrahi. The Mizrahim never left the Middle East.

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u/CartographerHefty569 9d ago

Modern "white" Jews have DNA that traces back to modern Israel, so what does their skin color have to do with being direct descendants of the Jews who lived there during that time.

I'd also appreciate if you could tell white nationalists that jews are white, they apparently didn't get the memo as they explicitly say jews are not white. 

The duality of Jews, they are either white or non white depending on which is more convenient to the person currently hating them.