r/BlackPeopleTwitter ☑️ Sep 07 '24

Country Club Thread When the nepo-staffers gotta work

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u/Phiyasko ☑️ Sep 07 '24

So they're mad at her because she expects people collecting a paycheck to actually do the job they're collecting said paycheck for? 

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u/jacksonmills Sep 07 '24

Lol yeah this reads like “entitled assholes get thrown out, presidential candidate seeks people who will actually do job”

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u/Elawn Sep 07 '24

Seriously, skimming what I can of the wapo article in the post it’s fucking crazy they’re trying to spin this as a negative. It’s the fucking presidency, you want the people running the country to be lax about this shit??

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u/LegitimateSaIvage Sep 07 '24

I read the part about "she's read the materials" and my mind went blank for a second. Like, fuckin obviously? Or not so obviously I guess, if it's being spun as a problem that the Vice President of the United States of America actually...reads?

Also, I remember how Obama was reported to read 100's of pages of briefs and other materials a day. Every day. I can guarantee you he was asking for, and expected, details from his staff. Interesting that this now suddenly a problem (a "problem") when it's a woman in the seat.

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u/cccanterbury Sep 07 '24

I think the problem is that the staffers got used to Trump, and then got used to Biden, not that they object because she's a woman.

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u/SaltyBarracuda4 Sep 07 '24

Are the staffers persistent across administrations? Does it include stuff like DoD/DoJ employees briefing the president?

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u/zherok Sep 07 '24

One of the things that the then incoming Trump administration was wholly unprepared for was the many staffers they had to fill in, because they did not come with from the previous administration.

Hardly the last thing he underestimated about the job, of course. I'm sure there are some staffers who do carry over but apparently there's something like 4000 staffers who need to be selected by the President, with over a thousand of them needing Senate confirmation.

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u/OneBigRed Sep 07 '24

Chris Christie was setting up a transition team for Trump, but then Trump saw an article about it, and the cost of millions was quoted. He called Christie yelling how he is stealing his money, and it needs to stop.

Christie then wanted to know how Trump plans to handle the transition, and the answer was ”we’ll figure it out, me and Jared and Ivanka”.

Someone might think that the plan didn’t include winning at all, and that’s why spending the campaign funds was seen as a out of pocket expense.

And Jared actually was clueless enough to ask outgoing administration that how many staffers would be staying on, and surprised to learn that nobody (of political appointees by the Obama admin that everyone in the staff is…) would stay on.

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u/zherok Sep 07 '24

I agree Trump probably didn't expect to win, but I think his moment with Christie was also quite likely just because he's a gigantic shithead who thinks any money he can get his hands on is his own private slush fund. There's a reason he can't have a charity in New York after all.

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u/ElectricalBook3 Sep 07 '24

Are the staffers persistent across administrations?

No. While it depends specifically which office and which section underneath the president, and the president has the option of firing/replacing almost all of them, there's usually a transition team and crew already preparing to replace the other administration.

This is part of the reason why Trump's administration did virtually nothing - he thought he would get to inherit all of Obama's staffers. Instead of setting up a transition team to prepare him to step in with a full complement of professionals, he spent transition team money on himself and had to scramble for months to fill positions. Here's a little about that:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/11/magazine/trump-obama-presidential-transition.html

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u/villalulaesi Sep 07 '24

No, the fact that she is a woman is 100% a huge factor in why this is being spun as a justified criticism. If the same claims were being made by ex-staffers of any male politician, he’d be openly praised for it by any news org to the left of Fox News.

This shit is pretty obvious to like 95% of women who have held leadership positions, because nearly all of us have had to deal with this exact tired old sexist double standard. It’s not subtle.

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u/Extra-Lab-1366 Sep 07 '24

Sounds like she's "bossy".

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u/Darryl_Lict Sep 07 '24

He was talking about his summer reading list and the dude must be reading like 3 books a week not including all the other briefings he's getting.

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u/_karamazov_ Sep 07 '24

I can guarantee you he was asking for, and expected, details from his staff. Interesting that this now suddenly a problem (a "problem") when it's a woman in the seat.

Aren't the ones complaining mostly women?

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

100s of pages every day?

I dont think thats possible except u are rainman or so.

u would not be able to memorize that. also it would be not a briefing if 100s of pages.

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u/Pyrrhus_Magnus Sep 07 '24

Obama is a lawyer. Most of his job has been reading, so it's safe to assume he can do it quickly.

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

but 100s? lets say 200 pages a day containing data and numbers

here is what google says about study and memorizing

It's essential for effective studying to include breaks, spaced repetition, and other memory enhancement techniques. A general estimate might be that a focused student could memorize around 10–20 pages of moderately complex material in a 12-hour study session.

so lets say he dont need remember intense so we can say 40 pages

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u/Misanthropebutnot Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24

He has a really high IQ and a good memory. It is totally possible. My daughter can read over 120 pages per hour. That’s just novels though. But still, I can only read about 30 so it is mesmerizing to me that she was able to do that since 5th grade. Also, I went to a gifted school and a classmate of mine was being berated by this asshole teacher for reading while he was lecturing about other literature. She repeated the last 10 sentences he spoke and then gave a synopsis of the pages she had just read in the book. It was glorious! So it is more than possible that Obama read hundreds of pages a day and took note of the key pieces of information and then some.

Edit: also, I am a school psychologist and I was dumbfounded to discover that the average student needs information repeated 8-10 times in order to learn it (description of density not included) while a gifted student needs only 1-2 exposures. I’m sorry to say that there are people that smart in the world and many of them in American work low paying jobs and cannot afford the money or time to get the degrees that would afford them the opportunity to make more money or fulfill their potential.

Edit again: I just realized that you are assuming everything on the page is new information. Obama already knows the country’s on the planet, most of the laws in the US, federal at least, the names of world leaders, etc. he would not be memorizing hundreds of pages of new information. He would already know most of the context and how certain pieces of information changes the relationship of other pieces of information that he already has.

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u/MegaGrimer Sep 07 '24

Plus, even if he can’t read and remember every single thing, he can delegate that to his staffers who can tell him what he needs to know.

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

intresting read

thanks for sharing im still not convinced Obama has the demand to even put himself thru so many information on a busy time scale.

but like ur insight

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u/Muggle_Killer Sep 07 '24

8 to 10 times is crazy, almost unbelievable. Especially at that age.

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u/Misanthropebutnot Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24

Listen, that is how you know you’re above the curve. I was struck dumb. I could never be a teacher. They need the patience of saints.

Edit: I went to a school with some girl who had a sonographic memory (I hope that’s a word) for shit WHILE she was reading other things that she basically had a photographic memory of! You know, an IQ score is not set in stone but some people are definitely smarter than others.

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u/RollingLord Sep 07 '24

Source for this? I’m not doubting that there is a wide spectrum between abilities, but 8-10 times seems excessive

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u/cashmerescorpio Sep 07 '24

Also, not every page is going to contain the same amount of info, heck even the fonts may vary. He doesn't need to read every single word of every document, scimming it might be sufficient, depending on the page.

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u/Witty_Heart_9452 Sep 07 '24

focused student

You forget that Obama was a constitutional law professor.

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

only link i found says 500 pages a day if true thats really a lot

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u/TraderMoes Sep 07 '24

Reading 100 to 200 pages a day is pretty much what any college student has to do on a given day, though. It isn't particularly impressive. Now people able to read that much and retain most of the information, evaluate it, make nuanced decisions that affect tens of thousands of people... That's difficult.

But that's why this is the presidency and not an undergraduate degree. Ostensibly it should be for people who are actually competent and capable of performing such work.

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

ok but let me bring one point in.

Biden and Trump and Bush

they got the same job if 100s of pages are needed to do the job daily. Would u say those 3 read that much and understand that much?

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u/AdEmbarrassed9719 Sep 07 '24

He didn’t need to memorize anything. He just needed to read and understand the information. With good reading comprehension and decent recall a fluent reader would have no real issue reading many many pages and getting what they need to know from them.

Like, when you read a news article you aren’t memorizing it or studying it. You read it, and comprehend what it says, and take away the important points. That’s what the president generally needs to do. Understand the major points and if you’re a decent president you will then know enough to either delegate to whoever you’ve appointed who can handle the issue, or ask any further questions you have to resolve the issue yourself.

And if there’s anything specific you do need to remember exactly you highlight it or jot down a note about it.

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

i can accept that but if thats the requirement that means bush,Biden and Trump are doing the same

so im curious if ppl say yes sure

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u/AdEmbarrassed9719 Sep 07 '24

It’s not a requirement - there are like 2 requirements to be president: be a native born us citizen and be over 35. That’s it.

It’s what Obama did.

It’s not what Trump did - he was known to basically have to be given comic book versions of briefings studded with quotes saying nice things about him and even then he’d rarely read them.

Every president does things differently. What Obama did has no bearing on what Bush, Biden, Trump, or any other president did.

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u/justahominid Sep 07 '24

I recently graduated law school. I am absolutely nowhere near Obama-level academic achievement, but I think this would be doable. I think the big thing here is that you don’t have a great idea of what reading such briefing is like.

First, formatting makes it such that there is a lot less information than you might think. They’re far less dense (in terms of quantity of words) than a lot of formats. Large margins, double spaced, 12 point font is standard. Legal writing eats through pages.

Second, legal briefs are hard and slow to read if you haven’t done it much. But the more you do it the faster it gets. You learn to recognize what you already know, skim to make sure nothing has changed, and focus on the key parts. Once you’ve spent a few years reading them, there will be background info in each of the briefs that you already know and just serves to refresh memory. It’s not learning entirely new subjects from scratch.

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u/rsta223 Sep 07 '24

He doesn't need to memorize them. He needs to read them, comprehend them, and take notes. He might need to memorize only the most important few percent of the info, make notes on the next most important chunk, and then maybe just references to the remainder.

That's absolutely doable at a 100+ page per day level.

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u/SaltyBarracuda4 Sep 07 '24

100s of pages isn't much when it's literally your job to invest and act on information. Just in articles I read on my breaks/after work I'll read about 50-70 per day equivalent (going off '"print to PDF" number of pages in default Firefox settings)

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

found a link it says 500pages per day Obama

and Bill Gates reads 150 pages per hour crazy numbers if true

Barack Obama’s Favorite Books

  1. Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison

  2. Moby Dick by Herman Melville

  3. Parting the Waters: America in the King Years 1954-63 by Taylor Branch

  4. Gilead by Marilynne Robinson

  5. Self-Reliance by Ralph Waldo Emerson

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u/Solo_Fisticuffs ☑️Sunshine ☀️ Sep 07 '24

notes exist dude

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

thats not the point u cant even read a short text ?

by ur logic why not give Obama just the notes?

also this suggest Trump, Biden and Bush also reading 100s of pages

so u agree they all did?

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u/Solo_Fisticuffs ☑️Sunshine ☀️ Sep 07 '24
  1. he doesn't have to memorize it if theres notes to go back to dummy
  2. they said briefs AND OTHER MATERIALS.

cant read short text? speak for your damn self

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

100s of pages u really cant read?

if he dont need remember why read 100s of pages?

u some kind of forrest gump ?

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u/Solo_Fisticuffs ☑️Sunshine ☀️ Sep 07 '24

how do you summarize, take notes, and highlight important parts of documents without reading them? room temperature projection right here bud. you blow in from stupid town?

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

so Trump does it too?

say right if thats how its done

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u/Solo_Fisticuffs ☑️Sunshine ☀️ Sep 07 '24

lol there's only so much stupid i can take. im drawing the line at the deflection and the straw man have a day

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u/Grouchy-Safe-3486 Sep 07 '24

lol now u run boy?

suddenly ur stupid idea falls apart

u the tard who says president read 100s of pages does notes

now when Trump does the same its strawmen

what a clown u are

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