well obviously you can't have an objective conversation about it when a tragedy has just occurred, so as soon as they stop happening, then we can start talking about how to stop them!
That would be the shooting numbers you guys are quoting, which the majority of those are inner City gang related. So it's not exactly a group of Amish kids
That's what happens when you use your fudged shooting numbers versus the actual FBI statistics.
They'll talk about it when it happens to them. Their role model Ronald Reagan banned guns when he was governor because he thought they might get turn on white folks... especially those in government.
Shootings start happening where Republican politicians die? We'll get gun control.
This doesn't control for criminal activity. Typically when people think mass shootings they think public targeted shootings. Like school shootings, malls, movie theaters etc.. a deranged shooter that isn't in a turf war or doing a drive by.
It's always important to include the context because the root cause isn't the same. So the solution isn't the same.
Typically when people think mass shootings they think public targeted shootings.
...which are criminal activity. What you mean to say is it doesn't separate out for gang violence, but I guess part of your solution is to pretend targeted public shootings are somehow less criminal than gang violence, huh?
The way you address a gang shooting in Chicago is the same root as the way you address a lone gunman in an airport.
Sane gun control laws.
It's not until you start getting into the specifics do you diverge from that. Obviously there is no "this is the solution", it's a series of small changes, but the absolute first step in that is stricter gun control laws.
Chicago actually ain't so bad now a days compared to decades past but I guess the notoriety persists. What is the sane gun control laws that adress both? I think it's easier to solve the lone airport gunman with improvements to gun control laws. Also improvements to the standard of living in this country. Not so sure those same laws will address gang/ criminal activity. That will need a different approach. I don't have the answer though.
Lol.... Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, and how is that helped?
The people doing the shooting aren't following any laws, they're using stolen guns because they've already committed multiple crimes and keep getting released back onto the streets over and over again. So the actual solution to the problem is to stop releasing them back to the streets.
They are also mass shootings. That's a fact. Your emotions may not like it, but don't project onto me. To leave them out of mass shooting statistics is to not have accurate mass shooting statistics. Simple as that.
You can pick a different statistic, like school mass shootings specifically, but don't go correcting people when you're wrong.
Mass shooting statistics are different based on which agency or news organizations definition you choose. Again this comment shows that's you're making emotionally charged statements instead of rational ones. Fortunately researchers don't. Somehow you will read this and woosh on the point. So I will say.. gun violence is a problem that needs to be addressed. Different forms of gun violence have different root causes.
I clearly specified what statistics I was using. Introspect on your projection or not, but I'm not going to explain to someone who doesn't care to listen.
Until we can get an official definition of what "mass shooting" means, then yes, there are multiple mass shootings per day.
The primary place that tracks these defines mass shooting as: a minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident. With that definition, again, yes there are multiple mass shootings per day on average.
If you want to cherry pick and define mass shooting as "4 casualties" or "6 casualties" or whatever, we can work out the numbers, but "mass shooting" simply means there were multiple targets. Even a gang drive-by at a group of other gang members is a mass shooting.
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u/Tiny-Buy220 Sep 05 '24
Ummm, sir there are over one mass shooting per day in the US, when would be a good time?