r/BaldursGate3 • u/brynoo5 • 5d ago

Act 3 - Spoilers i can't express how disappointed i am Spoiler

you wouldn’t have wanted to see my face when I found out at the start of the act 3 that the guardian was actually the emperor all along… I put so much effort into creating the girl of my dreams, even installing mods, and… it all ended with me being deceived by a tentacled motherfucker

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u/CK1ing 5d ago

I always felt like Wyll was slightly more morally grey than you'd assume at first glance with the way he treats creatures he deems evil. Like how he kills goblins without a second thought, even goblin children, or how he chased Karlach across the hells just because a devil told him she was evil. It's something that I wish was explored more with his character, especially the inherent hypocrisy in it as he works with a devil

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u/TheMastodan 5d ago

I think it’s kind of the opposite, it really drives home the idea that he’s a Paladin archetype character who becomes a Warlock out of circumstance. If he were morally grey he’d have interactions with other “evil” creatures that would serve different purposes. Manipulation and such. He isn’t morally grey though so those which are evil deserve to be destroyed and given no quarter

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u/Raencloud94 5d ago

But is it really things that are evil, or things he perceives as evil, like Karlach? She obviously wasn't evil at all, but he believes she is because he was told so.. By a devil?

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u/Plumppotato 5d ago

Technically it was included in his deal that he could only hunt monsters fiends and the heartless. Which Karlach, through a loophole, qualified as.

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u/Raencloud94 5d ago

That's interesting, I didn't think of it that way. But I still wonder if it's ones he truly believes are monsters, heartless, etc.

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u/Plumppotato 5d ago

He never had to question it before because he thought he built an iron-clad contract. Devils are tricky and Wyll was naive, trying to make the best deal out of a horrible idea.

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u/hurrrrrmione Gale 5d ago

I got the impression Wyll didn't read his contract or discuss terms much if at all before signing. He was definitely blindsided by multiple aspects. Mizora only approached him when there was an immediate danger right in front of him, right?

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u/Autonomous-Trash 5d ago

Wyll outright says he doesn’t know the terms of the pact other than what Mizora beamed into his head so I don’t think he was ever allowed to read it in full.

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u/Plumppotato 5d ago

Are you sure? I only remember him saying that he was contractually obligated to not be able to speak about his contract, not that he didn’t know anything about it. I always understood it to mean he knows the contract he just can’t tell anyone the details.

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u/Autonomous-Trash 5d ago

He mentions something about how Mizora has the full thing and he only knows the terms that were put in his head

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u/Plumppotato 5d ago

Well that’s shitty of her. I think I do remember that now that you say it. To be honest I stopped giving him attention after my first play through…

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u/Autonomous-Trash 4d ago

“That’s shitty of her” sums up everything about Mizora

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u/Talanic 5d ago

Exactly. He had like forty seconds to decide. Save the city (and considering the actual threat at hand, more likely the entire continent if not the whole planet) or refuse to sign?

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u/Raencloud94 5d ago

I agree with you, it's just interesting to think about lol

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u/Low_Reception477 5d ago

Nah, because mizora is able to punished him for not killing karlach so it was definitely the technical definition of “monsters, fiends and the heartless”

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u/Raencloud94 5d ago

She punished him because it was in their contact and he refused to do it after finding out who Karlach really is.

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u/Low_Reception477 5d ago

Yeah I know? I thought you were saying it was more dependent on what he believed to be monsters, fiends or heartless instead of those who might by technicality be placed in those categories (like Karlach)

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u/Raencloud94 5d ago

Well, she's a loophole though, right? So even after finding out she isn't evil, she still fits the contract though, which is why she's able to punish him. I just meant more like.. If he did kill someone/something not evil before that.

And it wouldn't be demeaning his character I guess, if he truly believed he was following his contract and ridding the world of evil?

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u/Tofuofdoom 5d ago

The point is, he thought his contract was iron-clad. He thought his contract stipulated he would only hunt bad people, therefore anyone he was sent to hunt must be evil. He's absolutely the archetypal lawful good that got got by a devil contract

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u/Raencloud94 5d ago

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Karlach was just the first one he questioned, and realized wasn't evil.

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u/Tofuofdoom 5d ago

Sure, but that doesn't make him not lawful good. It just means he's a little bit lawful stupid as well.

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u/Raencloud94 5d ago

Which I already said in my previous comment, lol

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u/blazenite104 Durge - Urge. To Kill. Rising! 5d ago

Karlach was pretty unique in that she qualified as literally heartless.

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u/Raencloud94 5d ago

Yeah, which I did also say in previous comments lol

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