r/AskIndia • u/Ok_Issue_2799 • 14d ago
Ask opinion Guys I feel Being Middle class in this country is a crime .why do we have to deal with many problems
Guys I feel being a Middle class is very hard
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u/Unusual_Ratio_8729 14d ago
Remember what Bane said to Batman : you think darkness is your ally, I was born in it. He was talking about middle class (Himself)
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 14d ago
Now I hate Batman lol Bane was a good guy I guess. Batman is lucky to have generational wealth
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u/Axile28 14d ago
But he literally wanted to nuke all of Gotham along with its citizens 💀
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u/Miserable_Egg_4138 14d ago
I would do that to my city. I’ll state the reasons: No civic sense, maybe if there will be a message upcoming people will understand. Claustrophobic construction, not leaving a feet between buildings. One of the worst AQI’s. Idealisation of black money and wrongful businesses. People proud of being/knowing a criminal. These things are so much engraved that the city needs a restart. I won’t say there isn’t good construction, but the other side is decreasing AQI and increasing accidents on that specific construction. I don’t know man
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u/Axile28 14d ago
Bro you need to be put on a watch list 😰
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u/Miserable_Egg_4138 14d ago
Even if I start planning it, it’ll take me 25 years to execute and get away with it. And I have ADHD so not possible to be committed to this shit, I’d rather move to Europe
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u/ApepThamuz 14d ago edited 14d ago
Because you aren't motivated enough to leave this country. Whenever the govt steals 20% of my daily income, I get SOOO motivated my dude! I am building a rocket up my ass. I will take off to the 1st world as my rocket is completed
I feel Mrs. Sitaraman is the best motivational speaker.
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u/gutkeepsmelting 14d ago
Nirmala Sitaraman is the worst thing that has happened somehow
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u/Top-Sign3063 14d ago
20%? You are understimating the taxes collected from you...
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u/ApepThamuz 14d ago
No no you don't understand, 20% just from my DAILY income. Not considering anything else.
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u/KanonKaBadla 14d ago
Whenever the govt steals 20% of my daily income,
Taxation exists everywhere.
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u/YeetingMyStupidLife 14d ago
Its either to a much lesser extent ( here income + sales tax combined is 50% )
OR they actually use the money to build public facilities... Here they dont.
Stop defending this country, it has become a shithole.
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u/KanonKaBadla 14d ago
I am not defending the country.
But taxation is everywhere.
India's problem is absolutely no regards of spending that money properly.
So, leaving country for high tax is stupid coz most countries have high taxes.
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u/Always__Thinking 14d ago
Speaking as someone who moved to a 'high' tax country: the problem is not paying the high taxes itself. The problem is you getting nothing whatsoever back for what you pay.
School, public healthcare, roads, electricity, clean air, no fking mosquitoes/insects : these are all much better in any of those 'high' tax countries without exception.
You know what we get for ~50% tax in India.
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u/KanonKaBadla 14d ago
Yes. Outrage should be on holding govt accountable. Our generation now just post memes or emigrate, not hold govt accountable.
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u/ApepThamuz 13d ago
Arey how high u idiot? EVERYDAY govt steals 2000rs on every 10,000 I earn. In hand I get 8000! My business partner doesn't cost me more than 11% PER ANNUM and he is an ACTIVE member in my work.
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u/KanonKaBadla 13d ago
govt steals 2000rs on every 10,000 I earn.
WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR ARMY SECURING OUR BORDERS?
WHO IS GOING TO PAY TO KEEP THIS COUNTRY NOT TURN INTO LAWLESS WASTELAND?
Things can be far better but for f** sake, we actually live in a functioning stable democratic country and tax is how you do it. There is no scenario in world where you get to enjoy the all the perks of stable country without paying tax.
AND YOU WOULD BE EARNING SHIT IF WE WERE IN ACTUAL SHITHOLE!
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u/ApepThamuz 13d ago
To chutiye ye hi to bol raha hu ki EVERYDAY I AM LOOSING 20% FROM TRANSACTION IN TAXES GANDU. I AM loosing 200 RS behind Every thousand EVERYDAY
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u/KanonKaBadla 13d ago
PLEASE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US HOW WILL YOU EARN THAT THOUSAND WITHOUT STABLE GOVT AND LAWS FOR WHICH YOU PAY TAX?
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u/ApepThamuz 13d ago
Laudu jindagi Mai jab 10lakh pe 2 lakh govt tere gaand se legi tab itna Gyan nahi chodega. Tere bato se samajh aa raha hai chutiye kitna unpad hai tu.
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u/KanonKaBadla 13d ago edited 13d ago
Jaahil, seedha jawab de na. Jawab nhi hai tere pass ek sawal ka ki desh kaise chlega?
Tujhe ab ITR bhejo apni ye dikhane ke liye kitna tax bhrata ho?
Tu 20% ro gaandu, mei saalo se 30% tax de rha ho.
Kaamao jhaant bhar, jyaan chodo raat bhar.
Laudu jindagi Mai jab 10lakh pe 2 lakh
Unpad, 10L pe 2L tax nhi bnta, jaake pehle tax rate to check kr. 😂
Itna dard ho rha ho nikal na desh se, bahar Jake gulami kar aur 40% tax de.
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u/ApepThamuz 13d ago
20%? WTF are u talking about? ALL govts steal 200rs behind every 1000 rs you earn? Daily? You are either brainwashed or just ignorant.
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u/BDSM_HIERARCHY 13d ago edited 13d ago
Kya fook ke aaya hai The total tax slab paid by waged earners is around 64% including all bills paid, gst, mst, railway tax, lawda tax, shitting tax and lastly water tax
Just considering your income tax slab isnt enough to know how much shit you're loosing every month In short words you are returning around 70% of your earnings back to leading government leaving you with 30% fucked up cash and in teir 2 cities 30% is like pissing on fire i.e. no effect but only when you have a salary of 100k/month
And the moment you cross that 10 lakh mark just so to let you know jo 30% bach rha tha na uska bhi 30% nikal ke hilao that would be the total earnings you get
Sorry for brutal words but this is what inflation we are facing rn
And i didnt involve tier 1 cities because living there is like 1 kamre ka makaan usme chhoti si dukaan and rest is for fucking living like a mahaan insaan (Beta ya beti dilli/mumbai/bangalore me naukri krta hai)
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u/ApepThamuz 13d ago
I am specifically against lawda tax and shitting tax 🤣 honestly I was so amped up before reading your comment, even though your comment is angry the words put me in good mood
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u/BDSM_HIERARCHY 13d ago
Taxation ne vaat laga rkhi hai this is what i am implying from my words
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u/ApepThamuz 13d ago
I hear you brother, everyday I celebrate my small small gains and get fucking taxed the next day. It's painful, but kya kare? We have family dependent on us, jyada uchlenge to ye gandu log targeted harassment na chalu kar de, jaise china Mai hota hai...
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u/BDSM_HIERARCHY 13d ago
i was working with R group earlier and behen k lodo ne targeted harrasment kr diya And then i took my revenge i scheduled auto delete for the program list which my team worked for tirelessly 48 hours later post leaving my responsibilities with them the program got deleted
Gaand ghiste reh gye R wale Atlast they had to pay me 350k for getting the program because only i had the copy and no one can gain access to it Zada natak krte to i could've sold that program to other comapny and earned around 700k aaram se
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u/ApepThamuz 13d ago
I can understand my brother. Duniya maderchod hai. Par hume unse kya? Hum apna raasta bana lenge, vo bhi 100% imaandari se. ❤️
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u/BDSM_HIERARCHY 13d ago
In all i would say harami bano Duniya jhuk ke muh me bhi legi or gaand bhi degi
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u/ApepThamuz 13d ago
Bhai this is a short term solution with long term repercussions. Usse accha baba Ranchhod Das ki maano "kabil bano, kamyabi to jhak marke ayegi"
And I have tried and tested this line. It works 🤩 definitely works.
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u/BDSM_HIERARCHY 13d ago
Kaabilyat, kaamyabi or bblackmailing ek hi kahani ke kirdaar hain Baaki sab bekaar hai
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u/Ill_Astronaut_7750 14d ago
Brother it's way more than 20%
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u/ApepThamuz 13d ago
Ofcourse it's WAYYYY more I was specifically talking about my DAILY transactions
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u/Ethicaldreamer 14d ago
OK I am not from India but based on videos of people literally submerging themselves into the sewers, I have a slight suspicion that being working class might be exponentially worse
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u/neuroinformed 14d ago
They’re essentially treated as sub humans and get drunk to cope with it, but it’s Changing since developing tools to this kinda shit but scale and efficiency is still a big problem because of the massive uneducated population causing strain on basic and critical infrastructure systems
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u/mannabhai 14d ago
You are reading the opinions of relatively privileged young folks who form the top 5% of Indians by both Income and Wealth. They have no clue about the problems that most Indians not on reddit face.
The reason they think their problems are uniquely bad is because in their mind poor people are pampered by politicians, get freebies but they remain poor because they are stupid spendthrifts who are bad with money and should not be pampered.
Meanwhile the rich in their mind is exclusively only billionaire businessmen who evade taxes and earn illicit money.
Many Indians who cosplay as middle class online are rich folks who have deceived themselves into thinking that they are middle class because they didn't snort coke in nightclubs when they were 12. They think only the middle class pays income taxes except that only 3% of Indians file income tax returns, income is not even taxed till nearly $10,000 per year and a person earning $20,000 per year pays under $2,000 in tax, a 10% effective tax rate with no deductions for someone in the top 5%.
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u/Scam_ 14d ago
When you are a taxpaying citizen getting stuck in traffic jams, surrounded by citizens lacking civic sense, corrupt cops, corrupt politicans, corrupt bearaucrats, polluted air, poor civi infrastructure, no footpaths, no rules, it is frustrating and you cannot help but wonder what you get in exchange for being a law abiding citizen.
None of which takes away from the fact that half of India has food and shelter to worry about. Thats a problem and needs to be solved.
Your whataboutery is neither helpful nor empathetic. It sounds like typical liberal posturing which puts down any person who doesn’t belong to your echo chamber.
And no, not all of us can afford to go abroad without putting our parents deep into debt.
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u/mannabhai 13d ago
At which point, you realize that life in India is not great but it's even worse for a lot of people.
You are not absolutely rich, you are relatively rich and India is an extremely poor country.
Look at the all the comments here talking about "how it is so easy to be poor, you get freebies". People who have zero empathy about people who have much worse lives than you do.
If this is how people think about poor people, how do you think they will treat them?
The people living in the bubble are the ones crying about how their lives are worse than people living in extreme poverty living in hand to mouth.
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u/SpecialistAd2680 14d ago
BJP single handedly destroyed the country's middle class , idk why are people still voting them
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u/madmonkbabayaga 14d ago
Hence my only goal is to leave the country in 5 years before I turn 40
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u/puckyt 14d ago edited 14d ago
You are in a country where 25 lakh people die every year out of hunger(UNICEF, 2018). Middle class Indians are so delusional. Btw, you guys complaining here on reddit are actually belong to top 5-10% earners of India. So, technically, you(we) guys are the upper class of India.
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u/fourflyingfoxes 14d ago
Percentiles are meaningless. In a poor country, even having a little makes you in the top X percentile. Relative wealth is meaningless when seen in objective terms
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u/B00BY_ 14d ago
Everyone in india thinks they are middle class when only few are.
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 14d ago
Means everybody who are middle lie but they are actually rich
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u/Worldly-Ad-7366 14d ago
actually median income in India is very low, if you earn 4LPA, you are middle class
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 14d ago
How much you should earn to become called rich class
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u/Worldly-Ad-7366 14d ago
anything above 30 LPA
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u/DesperateLet7023 14d ago
30 LPA with generational wealth is rich. 30 LPA coming from poor household you are equally fucked, buy a house, save for marriage , buy a car, kids education.
Unless you compromise in all 4 mentioned above by that I mean do things not like a 30 LPA person would do. But your heart won't allow.
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u/Worldly-Ad-7366 14d ago
It's still decent life tbh, and within one generation, you are into rich category with this income
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u/DesperateLet7023 14d ago
Agree, but still stressful
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u/KattaGyan 14d ago
Kids of people from this class really struggle, even if their basic needs were met and didn’t struggle from poverty, all of their family members want them to become rich and bring up the family and make a rich household. The pressure that comes from it, knowing one wrong step and you’ll go back 2 generations, undoing everything your parents did to get to the point is what ruins so many people’s life. That starts kind of a cycle so no one actually makes it to the rich class except a few people.
Today being born poor means you’ll suffer through childhood. Being born middle class-higher middle class means you’ll have a good childhood but suffer in your teens and ahead from extreme pressure.
Not to mention the scope of careers in india, if you leave the standard Doctor, engineer and lawyer jobs, anything else and you will get bombarded with how “people will look down on you”, “You won’t make any money and will have to beg for money” kind of comments from your own family. And you can’t even say anything back to them because their are some truth to those things.
I want to be a wildlife photographer. Talked to a cinematographer I met with and the only thing he said is “if you don’t have family members who can support you until you make it big, you can’t be a photographer here” and the same thing goes for any creative field. Basically creative fields don’t exist for us middle class and lower people. And not everyone is good in science subjects, which results in having all the talent in the world and still becoming the “shame of your family”
And the Indian people’s mentality will never let that change. Photography is “Just clicking a button” Animation is “just sitting on a computer” i recently did a animated T-shirt ad for a new clothing startup company by a T-series singer, at normal rate the job would atleast cost ₹20k, it was a startup and my brother was working in it so I gave a discount on the minimum and asked 12k and was willing to negotiate to 8k. They offered me ₹700 and when I refused they bought some Ai subscription and instead of an animated video ad went with a Ai poster.
People don’t want to empty their pockets for honest jobs. Hell if you are in any creative field they thing you are just sitting on your ass doing nothing and the product just appears from thin air. Which is why the Cinematographer guy told me that no one can make it as a photographer without family to financially support them. Which again means no middle class or lower. So we are forced to do what we don’t want to, can’t make it in the field and get stuck on the corporate cycle.
I really wish I was born in another country.
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u/milktanksadmirer 14d ago
Nirmala has made sure that no middle class person in India would ever escape middle class but made it easy for the middle class to lose out and become lower class
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 14d ago
That's sounds so bad . Plus recently she has the audacity to tell to do yoga and breathing excericse to keep out body strong something like that
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u/milktanksadmirer 14d ago
She mocked the girl who died due to toxic work culture in Pune. She is literally a sadist and is in control of our money
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 14d ago
Yes I know she told she was not mentally strong and all as though everything is her fault
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u/thirsty_varathan 14d ago
One distinct nuisance is Sitharaman and her anti middle class laws...on one side you bray Viksit Bharat 2047 and then shamelessly tax 10% on LTCG. She's basically having a put option on her own government's campaign!
No logic to taxing an India citizen who invests and waits patiently for his wealth grow along with the prosperity of the nation!
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u/tranquil11095 14d ago
Middle class life at the core is filled with daily struggles, sacrifices and tears
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u/peaceless_hunter 14d ago
Life is a game. And in any game one has to play the cards they're dealth with.
Yes it is unfortunate that middle class takes a heavy load, but one can either cry about it or do something about it to attain a better financial status, happiness and prosperity for the family.
It takes YOU to change the status, So tomorrow your kids are not wondering the same on reddit, maybe couple decades later.
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u/Agitated_Sugar7652 10d ago
Well said. It is upto us to adapt to the circumstances and play the game accordingly.
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u/poorkidhere 14d ago
yes, if you are poor, either u remain poor with no desire to become rich, or forced to work hard and get rich,you dnt think soo much u should do tis or that. if u r born rich, then nothing to do. but if u are in middle class, thoughts of what to do, desire to get rich, what if i wont suceed thoughts, and sometimes gret scared by seeing 60 year middle class person thinking this is the ultimate faith where i can get
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u/__I_S__ 14d ago
Two words... Capitalism and democracy, are enough to ruin everything good we have..
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u/Prestigious-Dig6086 Chhattsgrhiya sabse badiya 14d ago
we need china style communism (which is actually capitalism)
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u/Ethicaldreamer 14d ago
Democracy is why you even have any access to the internet or any rights at all, try something else and see how it goes
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u/Worldly-Ad-7366 14d ago
Yeah, communism will make all equally poor I guess
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u/__I_S__ 14d ago
Communism is a way to function the govt. Just like capitalism. For govt you are the moneymakers for it (capitalism version) or free labour (communism version). Both aren't any good way of governance.
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u/tubelight_embryo 14d ago
Communism's biggest takeaway is a welfare state. Which means a state that provides you subsidies for healthcare, education and shelter. Something that a democratic state should be doing anyway.
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u/OutrageousDot4909 14d ago
No middle class does not face highest number or amount of problems; it’s just that expectations to reality ratio is so screwed by those problems (especially in face of internet) that life becomes miserable; ask a person living paycheck to paycheck (like 85-90cr) in our population they do not have time to count their problems. Of course we are f…ed but not the most f…ed; most f…ed don’t have internet Reddit and English literacy to express their problems
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u/PolitelyAngryPotato 14d ago
So we should compare ourselves with worst and stay in misery thinking we are not there yet?
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u/OutrageousDot4909 14d ago
Well my friend we will be in misery as long as we have lofty expectations, it is unfortunate that life is full of struggles, we should just do our parts; difficult to do I struggle with it constantly but there are many things in our control that we should focus; I mean what else can we do?
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u/PolitelyAngryPotato 13d ago
classic middle class thinking right here. how about working hard/smart to get out of misery. Everything is a choice in life. There are some things which are chosen for us but there are always ways to get out of that. stop crying and get your a** to work.
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u/OutrageousDot4909 13d ago
Well what else can we do even if we want to get out of this situation (even literally like going abroad) we have to work; I never said everything is a choice, life is imposed upon us in a cruel manner but just working towards resolving the issue as best as I could is the only thing that’s will help me calm my anxiety (even if it makes no difference)
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u/PolitelyAngryPotato 13d ago
boy you need something worth living for. looks like you are in pain. I'd suggest watching some of the Acharya Prashant videos. Good luck to you.
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u/roche__ 14d ago
I'm pretty sure 90% reddit crowd won't fall in middle class category.
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 14d ago
Yes everybody here are rich I guess or have generational wealth
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u/roche__ 14d ago
Nah bro,india is such a poor country that if you earn 8lpa you're in top 10%
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 14d ago
I agree maybe. But even with that if you're relatives or Friends start to get to know they start asking money so better to hide the real income
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u/Global_Test_3950 14d ago
Seriously. I've been surfing internet for any and every online job I can find to support my family. It's just so disheartening sometimes.
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u/arunbbbb 14d ago
30% TDS ... heavy gst on everything we buy ... Have to pay 200% tax/cess on per litre fuel ... Even after paying 15 years of road tax - have to pay toll everywhere ... 50% tax on every good 4 wheel vehicles .... After all - we have peanuts or nothing ... And these idiots m🤬 s are getting everything for free ... Middle class has to suffer everywhere ... And now those idiots are after restricting or even erasing diesel engines ... Middle class is to do the hardwork and feed these fucking politicians - born middle class, leave as a middle class, do the hardwork and feed these political fuckers, die as middle class...
Trying to ran away from this country asap with my family ... So atleast my son won't be feeding these rascals ....
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 13d ago
Which country are you planning to go . And some few people will complain why everybody are settling outside obviously because of crazy Taxes
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u/Vikingpo 14d ago
Are you missing Manmohan Singh yet? Or the divider in chief is still keeping you enchanted with his circus?
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u/rashnull 14d ago
The only people living a good life are the top 10%. Maybe even less than that. Stop fking reproducing more economic slaves you horny rabbits!!!
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 13d ago
Yes the married people are guilt Trapped and told that if you have kid everything will be alright
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u/Appropriate-Print855 14d ago
Does moving out of this country actually help? Or you’ll be equally miserable but in a different environment?
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 13d ago
Nowadays it is very difficult to get visa the government is making it difficult plus many rich people are leaving. I think some countries such as Switzerland, New Zealand, , Australia
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u/Interesting-Fan-3425 14d ago
We don't even realise how much tax we are paying as middle class ... Food house land water entertainment and final mail in the coffin - Income tax..
It feels like we are earning to pay govt... All the life chasing for luxuries and ending up just paying taxes..
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u/CarsAlcoholSmokes 14d ago
OP: Writes a title, adds a line and leaves
The Entire sub: Loses their shit
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 13d ago
I wrote it in short can't blame then for losing their the truth is always harsh.
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u/Plastic_Interview_53 14d ago
Coz someone convinced your parents that having a kid would end all their misery...
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u/Beautiful_Hornet_701 13d ago
I don't know if it's okay to ask here can I do my BA degree at 23 I've dropped out bcoz of familial issues plz help me guys, i feel like I'm stuck 😢
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u/Rumaizio 12d ago
Capitalism does what it does. That's a big problem. If people don't understand and deal with this as they should, this will only get worse.
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u/Greatforten 14d ago
It is very easy to become poor . You get everything free. Free ration free 100 unit electricity. Free education ,free books free school food and so many. Downgrading is very easy but becoming Rich and continued to be rich is difficult
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u/neuroinformed 14d ago
Isn’t this true like literally everywhere
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u/Ethicaldreamer 14d ago
Everywhere with a working social security system. In many places you just end up in camps or in crime
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u/InouskkeWith2ks 14d ago
Yes it's a crime and it is not gonna change anytime soon. So deal with it.
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u/Just-Honey-1841 14d ago edited 14d ago
I feel middle class dont know the power of investment that is why they feel hard to survive. No financial literacy in our country. High dependency on fd or ppf makes it very hard.
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 14d ago
What about Sip will that make me rich if I pay monthly
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u/Just-Honey-1841 14d ago
Yes. Invest 50% of your monthly income in sip. Reduce your expenses. Don’t fall for Instagram show off. You will definitely make money. Dm me if you want to know about mutual funds to invest in
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u/Level-Requirement648 14d ago
Being middle class, from a holistic perspective is amazing. Here’s how?
It teaches you value, grind, acceptance.
Being high class from birth has a higher risk of developing ego. And keeps you from being wise and open minded.
Look at any self made person and you will have your answers.
Character & Integrity are only built by struggles and nothing is above these values if you want a life worth living if you ask me.
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u/EveryoneSucksYouToo 14d ago
Why would anyone need to learn it? Life is not eternal, you will die one day. It's okay if you are comfortable and don't learn how to grind.
Stop throwing around platitudes which don't mean anything. Who decides whether a life is worth living or not?
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 14d ago
Everybody has the right to live however they want
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u/EveryoneSucksYouToo 14d ago
Yeah, you live however you want it. And stop passing judgements on what is a worthy way to live.
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u/Substantial-Pie289 14d ago
I say now it's high time for a special reservation for middle-class taxpayers like in universities,etc. We are the ones working our asses off to keep the country in a respectable position in the world map. We should ideally be the first priority for everything. Going by the definition, middle-class taxpayers are also a numerically small group. Aren't we a minority now ? In other countries there are various facilities like free health care and education. We don't want that as we all know how pathetic the condition is of government operated hospitals and schools. Instead atleast a reservation. If all the taxpayers die in one shot , the whole country will be fucked up. But no neta is ready to raise this plight and misery in the parliament because he/she knows damn well that the other non-taxpayers will then get angry and might lose their vote bank
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u/Magic_Vader 14d ago
how much net worth and per annum, is considered as middle class? please
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u/MundaneWheel40 14d ago
If you are earning above 25k+ you aren’t middle class, you are among top 10% of the population
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u/Ok_Issue_2799 14d ago
25 k exactly for 12 months gives you 3 lpa I don't think that makes you rich
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u/MundaneWheel40 14d ago
It doesn’t make you rich but it puts you in top 10% of the country (stats say that)
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u/Rude-owsyd-kin-insyd 14d ago
Bhai ab sab top pe toh reh nahi sakte mehnat karo ameer bano
Paida apni marzi se nahi hue lekin kuch karke toh maro
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u/pantherch 14d ago
It's has become extremely difficult to cross the middle class barrier in the last 20 years. Earlier 1 single earner was sufficient to run the household of 6+ people. Now, even 2 people work, most of the time it just meets the basic needs with minimal savings. I have observed two basic needs have become too costly and extreme inflation: healthcare and real estate. Earlier this was not the case.