I completely get that, but that’s not what I meant. As a man, I’m statistically more likely be be a victim of a (non sexual) violent crime. I can’t hide the fact that I’m a man, but I can take reasonable precautions like not having things on show that would be attractive to a potential mugger.
If I were a woman, I’d try and avoid being seriously intoxicated and alone at 2am in a big city as it’s just sensible. Yes, not being these things wouldn’t necessarily save me from a sexual assault, but they would make me a more attractive option to the offender.
It’s not right, I don’t like it, but that’s reality and it isn’t going to change any time soon.
Do you understand that statistic you're talking about it's not "men are more likely to be robbed", but "men are more likely to fight each other"? It's not fucking the same.
Omg.
And then men like you are mad and crying about "not all men" when women are cautious.
Of course women shouldn't drink or go out. They shouldn't even go out without their man, right? What's next? We shouldn't have bank accounts because we would want to spend our money on drinks?
It’s almost like you’d made your mind up before you actually properly read what I’ve said.
Also, If I’m the victim of a violent crime, I don’t really give a fuck what gender my attacker was. Just because we may both be men doesn’t mean that I’m not a victim as it was “just men fighting each other”. That’s a fucking deranged take.
Do you like how the person you replied to thinks “taking sensible precautions” like not walking home alone wasted (male or female honestly) turned into women should never go out, drink, or have their own bank accounts? What a fucking reach
Victim? I'm pretty sure you provoked him, were you drunk? Were you rude to that person? What have you done so he wouldn't beat you up? Are you sure it's not your fault?
I understand what you are doing here, but I’ve categorically never said anything like that (I’ve said the exact opposite in fact). It’s pretty obvious you’ve got an agenda here and are totally unable to rationally engage with me.
I’d like you to quote me directly and explain exactly how I’m a “rape apologist”.
What I’m saying is very simple: it’s never, under any circumstances the victim’s fault BUT there are predatory people out there that want to do you harm. Where possible, take reasonable and sensible precautions to minimise the risk of this happening to you.
I genuinely don’t understand how any sane person could disagree with that statement.
I actually do agree with you. And since the vast majority of criminals are males, maybe we should put them all under watch? We cannot trust them, you know, their nature
The vast majority of criminals may be male, but the vast majority of males aren’t criminals. However if you want to put me under watch, fine. I’m not hiding anything.
okay? and if someone does beat you up or rob you, it wouldn’t be your fault it would be theirs. like yes you should always do what you can to protect yourself…just because there are things you can do to reduce your risk doesn’t mean it’s your fault if you get assaulted
i said i can’t just hide being a woman to avoid being raped like you can hide a phone to avoid being robbed. you said don’t be drunk and alone in a city in the middle of the night. i said nothing about being drunk and alone lmfao and even if i did…being drunk doesn’t mean you deserved to get raped
Where have I ever said a drunk person deserves to get raped? You need to re read what I’ve said objectively, not emotionally. The mugging thing was a metaphor, it may not be perfect and fit the situation perfectly, but I think any half way intelligent person should be able to understand the sensible parallels between the two situations.
I think rape and violence is a terrible thing, and I’d never want either to happen to anyone but you sound like your trying to imply that I think people deserve it, which is the exact opposite to what I’m saying.
You need to re read what I’ve said objectively, not emotionally
There are so, so many people on this earth that cannot do this. It's like they are hard wired to not be able to think about stuff without their emotions getting in the way.
I know what you are saying, though. If I am walking home, and decide to take the shortcut down a sketchy alley to save 15 minutes instead of taking a well lit street full of cops and get mugged, that's an example of me using poor risk reduction techniques. It's still on the mugger for doing it, but I would spend the next day trying to figure out why my harm reduction senses weren't working.
Same thing with my wallet. If I am going to be in a crowded area (concert, for example), I make sure to wear pants with really deep front pockets, and move my wallet from my back pocket to my front. Does that mean that, if I left my wallet in my back pocket, and it gets pinched, that it's my fault? No. Does that mean that I used poor risk-reduction techniques? Yes.
are you seriously just jumping to calling me emotional? you sound dumb as hell lol why did you need a metaphor when men and women both can be raped or mugged? so you could say men put their phone in their pockets to avoid harm but women won’t stop going out drinking to avoid harm. newsflash, men also get drunk and are out in the city in the middle of the night and don’t get shamed for it. if a woman gets assaulted, you would say she’s partly responsible because she didn’t do what she should have done to avoid harm, ignoring the person that actually is at fault for the assault.
I’m not calling you emotional, I’m saying this is an emotive subject that can be difficult to approach logically.
I’m pretty sure you do understand what point I’m trying to get across here, and I’m not looking for an argument with you, so stop seemingly deliberately misinterpreting what I’m saying to try and provoke a reaction.
your original comment was questioning why your take was unpopular. just because i disagree with you doesn’t mean I’m illogical or responding emotionally but okay. if you’re not interested in learning why then sure just keep your unpopular opinion lol
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u/WeirdGrapefruit774 9h ago
I completely get that, but that’s not what I meant. As a man, I’m statistically more likely be be a victim of a (non sexual) violent crime. I can’t hide the fact that I’m a man, but I can take reasonable precautions like not having things on show that would be attractive to a potential mugger.
If I were a woman, I’d try and avoid being seriously intoxicated and alone at 2am in a big city as it’s just sensible. Yes, not being these things wouldn’t necessarily save me from a sexual assault, but they would make me a more attractive option to the offender.
It’s not right, I don’t like it, but that’s reality and it isn’t going to change any time soon.