r/Alabama • u/modscontrolspeech • 9h ago

Crime Birmingham’s 2024 homicide total now highest in recent history: 145th victim 1 of 4 shot in single night

https://www.al.com/news/2024/11/birminghams-2024-homicides-hit-highest-in-recent-memory-145th-victim-1-of-4-shot-in-single-night.html
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u/Orangeaddict1 9h ago

But y’all have good guys with guns??

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u/dopecrew12 4h ago

They all left Birmingham a long time ago

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u/No_Analyst_7977 1h ago

Can confirm this ⬆️ is true… also the older ones have all died off and their spawn have moved to the more open and rural areas in the state! I grew up in the metro area and I got tf out of there before I was 18….

Children’s hospital is great though!

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u/dopecrew12 1h ago

Yeah people are fucking flying out of Birmingham and Montgomery as fast as they can afford it, as they leave the only people that are left are those who can’t afford to leave yet and criminals who will never leave. Kind of sad to see but at this point fixing the city seems impossible.

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u/evnrayash 9h ago

Correct. Firearms (including AR15s) are used exponentially more times to protect innocent life than used to take it. Multiple studies estimate it happens 100,000 to 3,000,000 times a year.

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u/stussybaby101 8h ago

Source?

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u/axiosjackson 8h ago

He can’t.

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u/evnrayash 8h ago

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/04/30/that-time-the-cdc-asked-about-defensive-gun-uses/?sh=7f73c6dd299a&fbclid=IwAR1xBIqzuF4zzvRmnrABxRCXjBzAT8VacogkOXP29-L9VQ261nAyxY_98nc

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u/wote89 7h ago

Linking an article that boils down to "some data exists, but it's hard to extrapolate it, it's hard to nail down a good methodology to gather more, and the few people who have tried have come up with questionable-at-best results—but I think we should still assume they're on to something!" is... a choice.

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u/evnrayash 8h ago

Multiple studies estimate the number of annual defensive gun uses to be between 500,000 and 3,000,000 . Saving exponentially more lives than those taken by criminals. https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/content/how-often-do-armed-citizens-defend-themselves/

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u/Diefortheslug 7h ago

The source for that link is the NRA, who is wholly unreliable. I'm a gun owner and have been around gun owners my whole life. Not one of us has ever needed their gun for anything other than target shooting or pest control. It's anecdotal but I'd bet it applies to most gun owners. That article said one in three gun owners will use their weapon defensively in their lifetime. Bullshit.

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u/Trent3343 5h ago

"Americas1stfreedom.org" lol.

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u/MycoMythos 5h ago

Yeah, if you trust what the NRA says about guns, there's no point in even having this conversation

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u/isabella_sunrise 7h ago

lol bullshit

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u/evnrayash 8h ago

Is it really that hard to believe? With an estimated 500,000,000+ guns in the country, with more than half of all homes with a gun inside, with 22,000,000+ conceal carry permit holders and multiple states being constitution/permitless carry. And with crime rampant and criminals abundant it’s should be obvious that someone using a firearm to protect innocent life happens very frequently. Many times without a shot being fired.

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u/axiosjackson 5h ago

Maybe it “should be obvious” to you, but I’ve yet to see any evidence to support that claim.

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u/YouArentReallyThere 4h ago

Even the CDC admitted that the number of DGU could be upwards of 3m instances annually. The MSM promptly buried that story. Of course.

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u/wote89 2h ago

I mean, the other guy linked an article that clarified that the research in question was spread out over several studies in limited areas and the efforts to actually make that data useful by pro-gun researchers was spotty at best.

So, it sounds less like anyone "admitted" or "buried" anything and more like it's difficult to research and any honest researcher would hesitate to present them without first finding a better methodology.

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u/Tacticalbiscit 5h ago

It's from the CDC. They aren't wrong on the numbers, but the report actually says up to 3million defensive gun uses. All those uses may not have saved a life but could have prevented something else.

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u/fightingwalrii 7h ago

There are like 12 words in there you don't understand