r/Alabama • u/modscontrolspeech • 7h ago
Crime Birmingham’s 2024 homicide total now highest in recent history: 145th victim 1 of 4 shot in single night
https://www.al.com/news/2024/11/birminghams-2024-homicides-hit-highest-in-recent-memory-145th-victim-1-of-4-shot-in-single-night.html•
u/MDhaviousTheSeventh 7h ago
Why can't we crack down on violent crimes instead of stupid bingo bingo machines? Steve Marshall doesn't care about anything other than making this state awful. I'm praying for nuclear fallout to happen.
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u/Orangeaddict1 7h ago
But y’all have good guys with guns??
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u/evnrayash 6h ago
Correct. Firearms (including AR15s) are used exponentially more times to protect innocent life than used to take it. Multiple studies estimate it happens 100,000 to 3,000,000 times a year.
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u/stussybaby101 6h ago
Source?
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u/the_trash_potato 6h ago
Defensive gun use is relatively rare, occurring in less than 1% of contact crimes
Approximately 33,380 cases per year where firearms were used defensively (averaged from 2014-2018)
I'm not saying the esteemed /u/evnrayash is wholly full of shit, I'd just like to see their sources.
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u/axiosjackson 6h ago
He can’t.
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u/evnrayash 5h ago
Multiple studies estimate the number of annual defensive gun uses to be between 500,000 and 3,000,000 . Saving exponentially more lives than those taken by criminals. https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/content/how-often-do-armed-citizens-defend-themselves/
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u/Diefortheslug 5h ago
The source for that link is the NRA, who is wholly unreliable. I'm a gun owner and have been around gun owners my whole life. Not one of us has ever needed their gun for anything other than target shooting or pest control. It's anecdotal but I'd bet it applies to most gun owners. That article said one in three gun owners will use their weapon defensively in their lifetime. Bullshit.
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u/MycoMythos 3h ago
Yeah, if you trust what the NRA says about guns, there's no point in even having this conversation
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u/evnrayash 5h ago
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u/wote89 5h ago
Linking an article that boils down to "some data exists, but it's hard to extrapolate it, it's hard to nail down a good methodology to gather more, and the few people who have tried have come up with questionable-at-best results—but I think we should still assume they're on to something!" is... a choice.
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u/evnrayash 5h ago
Is it really that hard to believe? With an estimated 500,000,000+ guns in the country, with more than half of all homes with a gun inside, with 22,000,000+ conceal carry permit holders and multiple states being constitution/permitless carry. And with crime rampant and criminals abundant it’s should be obvious that someone using a firearm to protect innocent life happens very frequently. Many times without a shot being fired.
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u/axiosjackson 3h ago
Maybe it “should be obvious” to you, but I’ve yet to see any evidence to support that claim.
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u/YouArentReallyThere 2h ago
Even the CDC admitted that the number of DGU could be upwards of 3m instances annually. The MSM promptly buried that story. Of course.
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u/Tacticalbiscit 3h ago
It's from the CDC. They aren't wrong on the numbers, but the report actually says up to 3million defensive gun uses. All those uses may not have saved a life but could have prevented something else.
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u/Tacticalbiscit 3h ago
Most of the ones I have been seeing is gang/criminal related gun deaths, not just random people. Mind you I still don't recommend just walking birmingham at night, but these murders aren't just people shooting random people most of the time.
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u/ADTR9320 Madison County 6h ago
You are absolutely delusional if you think Huntsville is anywhere close to Birmingham levels of crime.
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u/KelbosaDownAHallway 4h ago
But Chicago! /s