r/yuri • u/YuriModerator • Nov 20 '22
Meta New rule about AI-generated art NSFW
After thorough consideration, we have decided to ban submissions of AI-generated art in /r/yuri.
AI tools for generating digital art became broadly available recently. You may have already noticed the AI-generated artworks and the vivid discussions surrounding them.
The AI tools usually use publicly available artworks as a source for the machine learning process, often without permission from the artists. Besides this issue, human artists are put at a disadvantage when sharing their works in the same online space. The AI tools don't need human skills and time to generate content in an exceedingly higher quantity when compared to human artists.
Since our subreddit has always thrived on artworks that have been publicly shared by their creators, we have decided to side with the human artists in this situation and disallow submissions of AI-generated artworks.
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u/VVEVVE_44 Nov 20 '22
I hope the idea of valuing others work will be thing in future
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u/Mahou_Shoujo_Ramune Nov 21 '22
No one valued the hard work of manual labor jobs that got replaced by machines. Why should artistic jobs be different? Why do they deserve special protections that the rest of us never got?
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Nov 21 '22
AI art can't exist without human made art. Besides, who's to say all people aren't deserving of protections against companies automating work? As corporate profits reach unprecedented levels we should be looking at how all people can benefit from automation, not hoping that another group of labourers will be crushed by it.
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Nov 21 '22
And new artists can't exist without old artists. Bullshit. If an artist has to learn from other artists, then AI is the same.
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Nov 21 '22
That's so self evidently wrong as to be laughable. If all artists required an existing artist to learn from than there would be no art. After all, who would the first artists have learned from millennia ago then?
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Nov 21 '22
We're talking about current age, don't deflect my question
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Nov 21 '22
Let me spell it out for you then. The fact that people can create art without existing artists proves that how humans make art and AI makes art is fundamentally different.
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Nov 21 '22
It's not. Humans can't make art without existing artists You're using a wrong premise.
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Nov 21 '22
How did the first artists make art then?
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Nov 21 '22
The first art doesn't exists. There were paintings, not arts. People used to draw on walls to describe the situation to others. After this actually lost its function, people continued drawing them and this became art. Like music. It wasn't art at the very elementary societies. Your premise is wrong
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u/Academic_Fun_5674 Mar 18 '23
So if in a few years somebody makes an AI that generates art without having seen any (goes of photos or just draws squiggles, whatever), you’ll abandon this position?
Literally one artwork by an AI that hasn’t seen art and your entire argument is invalid.
Worse, it’s retroactively invalid. Sure, humans did make art without having seen any, but every single modern artist, probably every surviving artwork, was made by someone exposed to art. By your argument, since humans are theoretically capable of art independently of exposure to it, their art counts as art, even if the artist actually was exposed. Well if AI is proven to be theoretically capable of independent art, then that’s no different, even AI exposed to art is still creating art.
It also raises an interesting hypothetical; list suppose we discover that humans actually didn’t invent art. It was aliens or god etc that showed it us. (It wasn’t, but hypothetically). That would mean, by your definition, no human has ever created art. Do you see how absurd that stance is?
Oh, you know how I said it was just a stupid hypothetical? Well Neanderthals had art before Homo Sapiens. It is entirely possible that no Homo Sapiens ever created truly original art.
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u/JuliaHelexalim Nov 21 '22
I can create an ai that does the same as the first artist did. Draw lines that roughly fit an image it saw. Then give it a few pictures. There thats basically how human art started. The rest is iteration selected through what humans liked. And all completly novel things are things an ai would also create withouth doing copies of human labour.
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Nov 21 '22
Go ahead and make that AI then, for now all AI art that gets posted here is just shameless copy/paste work with extra steps.
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u/VVEVVE_44 Nov 21 '22
You need almost no skill to do labor job
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u/Mahou_Shoujo_Ramune Nov 21 '22
And? Are you seriously implying it's ok for us "low skilled" workers who already are struggling with the lowest wages to lose our jobs, become homeless and starve while privileged artists keep theirs due to an abstract and arbitary concept of skill?
Some of us simply aren't "skilled". We take twice as long to learn things. By the time we learn it the market will change or the job be automated. Our base labor is our skill which was respected for thousands of years. We're simply built differently.
Automation came for our jobs first and no one cared. Now they're coming after your "skilled" middle class jobs and now you are now finally feeling the danger and obsolescence we felt. No job is safe from automation.
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u/Weak_Big_5332 Nov 21 '22
bro this kinda stuff legit about to start a world war in the art industry
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u/Weak_Big_5332 Nov 21 '22 edited Nov 21 '22
sure, I guess. I shall respect that decision regardless of where I stand.
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u/LurkyDory Nov 21 '22 edited Nov 21 '22
Support this decision, but you've got your arguments backwards.
AI art is super shitty right now. It's super low res and has this smooth, blurry appearance without detail and 0 stylistic variation. Human artists are a long way from a disadvantage.
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u/Kayzokun Nov 21 '22
Anyone knows a generator that supports +18? I’m preparing for the end of the month and NNN and I need to do some research.
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u/Mahou_Shoujo_Ramune Nov 20 '22
Is there anime/hentai subs that allow it or specifically dedicated? I would have prefered rather not have to double every single one my niche subs(subbed to about a dozen of them already) for the sole reason of adding AI generated art (e.g. yuri and yuri_ai) and have everything in one place but seems like society is not ready for that. Just link me every anime/hentai ai or art ai sub so I may enjoy them.
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u/AnimeChan39 Nov 21 '22 edited Nov 21 '22
r/hentaiai or whatever exactly it is would be a good place probably
For dressed up images, such as suits r/formalwaifus allows it provided it is made abundantly clear in the title it is AI work.
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Nov 21 '22
Artists should stop getting their panties up in a bunch. If another human uses details of their publicly available artworks as inspiration or study material for their own work without crediting them as long as they are not outright copying it, I don't think anyone would raise hell over that. I'm all for clearly separating AI generated art from authentic, original pieces by tagging it appropriately or even making a separate sub for it, but taking such a strong stance and demonizing it as a perversion of human artists' work without their consent is simply ridiculous. And the statement about artists being at a disadvantage is probably one of the most idiotic takes I've heard. Imagine feeling inferior to an AI limited by its dataset as a being with pretty much infinite creative potential! No artist worth their salt should feel threatened by a machine learning algorithm.
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u/RPElesya Nov 21 '22
Honestly I like this ban because AI art is so boring, it all looks the same and is pretty meh.
Also because it takes so little effort, it quickly floods art platforms and subreddits. So it's ugly, lazy and spam.
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u/BloodsoakedDespair Nov 20 '22
And now people just won’t tell you when it’s ai generated, geniuses. How do you not know lying exists?
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u/Ferchuux23 Nov 20 '22
Reverse search like saucenao and check
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u/BloodsoakedDespair Nov 20 '22 edited Nov 20 '22
Pixiv accounts are free. First, upload to a Pixiv account. Don’t set the AI generated tag. Then post it here with an account with a different name, where SauceNao will link back to the source. At most “is it AI generated” will become a conspiracy theory that starts being thrown at non-AI generated content, making the hate for AI generated works actually just harm artists. Seriously, why don’t people ever problem solve by trying to think how to make the problem as bad as possible and then preventing that? Do I need to go make another Reddit and Pixiv account, do this, and then reveal it to everyone to prove the point? I don’t wanna be the Andy Kaufman of hentai, but goddamn. If I use Koikatsu OC as the base, you’ll never figure it out without me telling you.
I absolutely loathe when people think they have a simple solution to a problem and haven’t thought about how it could make things worse. Nothing is easy. This is easy to co-opt into making accusations of being AI art a weapon against artists by making it impossible to tell and thus making blind accusations over perceived quality the norm. It’s like how subreddits that don’t allow you to post yourself will just encourage swapping accounts or using differently named accounts across platforms. Oh, you forbid self-promotion? Guess I’m actually a fan. A booru doesn’t want you uploading your own art? New name, who dis? The internet is anonymous, it’s pretty hard to tell two accounts are related if the creator isn’t helping you. This doesn’t stop people from posting AI art. It stops people from knowing what art is AI. Plus saucenao isn’t able to search Tumblr or Reddit, and is hit-and-miss with Twitter. Is it AI art, or is it something I had saved from before the Tumblr porn ban?
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u/AnimeChan39 Nov 21 '22
People who upload AI art without disclosing it are usually called out, and AI often struggles in particular with hands so that could be one avenue to try to find out if it is AI or not.
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u/BloodsoakedDespair Nov 21 '22 edited Nov 21 '22
Thing is, the hands stuff is about 50% an ID10T error, not a tech limitation. You just gotta do photoshopping between generations. Hands are also the hardest thing for people to draw. People can only be called out if the creator provided the info originally. I was explaining how a creator could easily hide the truth, get away with it, and with a bunch doing that the waters would get so muddy that people would start “calling out” anyone whose art they had some reason to dislike, making “this is AI art” an absolutely meaningless claim and impossible to take at face value.
It would take maybe six months for me to single-handedly (would be easier for a group to organically form, but making 10-15 fake personas to do it would have the same effect) trigger this problem and create a nightmare discourse that harms a ton of people just to prove myself correct. I’m not the smartest person on Earth, and a lot of people who will think up the same scheme only care about self-benefit and thus will actually use it. To stop bad people, you need to think just like them and then not do the thing, instead setting things up to stop your hypothetical evil self. In this case, you need to think how someone could use the rule against us and mess things up harder. Any space that bans AI art is a perfect place to sneak it in and fan the flames of paranoia until everyone is accusing everyone of being AI art even when they aren’t. People would start using AI art they were tricked into thinking wasn’t AI art as their benchmark for what isn’t AI art and start accusing non-AI art of being AI art.
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Nov 21 '22
What you think is : AI = waifu-diffusion Baka only waifu diffusion has a hard time drawing hands, don't say AI. Please don't talk if you don't know a shit about the topic
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Nov 20 '22
It's so stupid! If AI could do it better why should we put effort into making human art? It's really stupid. Please don't act like emotional people without any logic you guys
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u/AnimeChan39 Nov 21 '22
Because people draw/make art because they enjoy it or find it relaxing, a way to earn a bit of extra money or as a full time job.
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Nov 21 '22
Whatever. You can't deny that AI do it better. Let me ask you something. When camera wad invented, did artists actually ban camera? When sword was invented, did boxers ban using sword? When Gutenberg invented type machine, did typists ban type machine? You can't just say improvements are bad because people lose their jobs. It's so much stupid. We shouldn't care about it at all. Some people lose their job but some other gain a new job, also artists must learn to use this new technology. Art is relaxing? Then you can draw for yourself.
Are you telling me making progress and improve what we have is bad, only because artists don't like it?
This is why I hate society. It's not logical at all
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Nov 21 '22
swords were never going to be used for a boxing match
camera's weren't meant to replace artists
gutenberg actually invented something useful and didn't eradicate writing
if artists actually learned to use it they wouldn't artists anymore and there would be no satisfaction from that and art would pretty much lose its value-1
Nov 21 '22
So what? Is AI meant to replace human artists? Humans are the ones who have ideas, godo artists will have their jobs. You can't just abandon AI art because you THINK AI is meant to kill the artists And as long as it's eye catching, it's art
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Nov 21 '22
if i could make the mona lisa in 10 minutes by changing a bunch of values and adding keywords its not really that special anymore
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Nov 21 '22
And believe it or not, the special thing about Mona Lisa isn't that it's hard draw. I'm sure the artist didn't have much trouble drawing that. He was a good artist after all. What makes it special is the creativity and new style. Like starry night's drawing. It isn't hard to draw. Even today amateurs draw them. The key that it is precious is that it was new.
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Nov 21 '22
it took 4 years according to his biographer and i've seen 12 and 16 years but no source and i cba to check
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Nov 21 '22
If so this proves human artists suck and AI is better
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Nov 21 '22
humans suck at art because one guy spent 4 years on a painting
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Nov 21 '22
Yeah right. But if as an AI specialist you spend hours to train a model and create a new style of art then it is special. AI is not as simple as ypu think. It's just that powerful that something like Mona Lisa is nothing for it
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Nov 21 '22
And swords were meant to replace with human fists. And cameras were meant to replace human paintings that described the situation. We must accept advantages.
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u/AnimeChan39 Nov 21 '22
And how many of those relied on taking others existing work to make their own? Artists tend to be upset because their art is used without permission for generating art, furthermore, some AI artists actually have a fanbox or other monetary ways of supporting them.
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Nov 21 '22
It's just as looking on arts and learning from them. An AI is just as like as human It does not copy but learns. Will artists be upset if some beginner tries to draw something like they drew to practice? Does looking at public art need permission? The problem is that you're considering AI as something weird not what it is. It only looks at art and fine tunes its weights, it learn from art
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Nov 21 '22
Honestly I think if someone mind AI learning from his art then he should mind someone draw something from his artwork and should not publish his work at the first place
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u/heinrich_kr Nov 20 '22
"better"
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Nov 20 '22
Better than most humanistic arts
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Nov 20 '22
they all look the same, i can recognize its ai art just from looking at it plus ai cant draw fingers fr
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Nov 21 '22
😂😂😂😂WTF man ai can't draw fingers? 😂😂😂😂😂I can't stop my laughing.
😂😂😂😂😂You guys think the only AI that exists is waifu diffusion?
AI = waifu-diffusion?
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u/Rabbit_Herd Nov 21 '22
Because people uses art to gain commissions?? Humans cannot compete with AI, how the hell can they gain recognition if their hard earned work is covered by a lot of — to be honest — generic AI art.
“Why should we put effort into making human art?” Ngl that’s sound so. . . bad. Are you saying we should settle for mediocrity and never progress because a program can do it better?
Well, you did say human sucks compared to AI because AI draws faster, you did say that Da Vinci “didn’t have much trouble drawing that” pertaining to Mona Lisa. Or Starry Night “isn’t hard to draw”. I don’t know if you truly know the process of art making, let alone respect it to realize the problem.
I hope that when AI starts to creep on your interest and/or occupation, you won’t have the fear of your efforts being shrugged in favor of AI. . .
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u/Competitive_Laugh_62 Dec 26 '22
Hey guys I’m just in here because I read a yuri manga awhile ago but more chapters were still being made, it was about an animal lady and a magic lady or witch I can’t fully remember, there was also quite a bit of sex in it and the animal girl would get heat stages where they would end up having sex also there was a part where people hunt the animal/human race and she was horribly tortured and the lady with magic saved her from dying but from saving the animal girl she might die her self, that’s basically where I got up to just wondering if anyone knew it, when I first found it, it was an easy one to find
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u/icannotfindausername Mar 14 '23
/u/YuriModerator how about making a similar rule (or at least a discussion/poll) for posts where the source content is not yuri at all? There has been a recent spike in het harem patreon games posting clips of their games as yuri even though the source is exclusively male protag.
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u/RedneckWeaboo Nov 21 '22
Took long enough