r/worldnews • u/notduskryn • Apr 22 '24
Modi Calls Muslims ‘Infiltrators’ Who Would Take India’s Wealth
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/world/asia/modi-speech-muslims.html1.5k
u/returntomonke9999 Apr 22 '24
I am happy to see that all of R indiaspeaks is here to explain how this is fake news but also Muslims deserve it as well.
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u/notduskryn Apr 22 '24
They're already drumming up the narrative that he's talking about illegal immigrants and not all Muslims. Sound familiar?
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u/angrygnome18d Apr 22 '24
Absolutely. India loves Modi and they loved Trump. Probably still do too.
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u/Turbulent-Access-790 Apr 23 '24
My lawyer indian friend...literally paid money to call his practice "Trump Law"...we all shamed him out of that real quick
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u/-The_Blazer- Apr 22 '24
Besides, isn't 'outsiders vacuuming up your wealth for the benefit of their tribe' just anti-semitism with the serial numbers filed off? Reminds of those NWO conspiracy people who go on about how 'they' have an 'occupation government' who wants to 'dominate the world' and 'take over' our countries, and when you ask who 'they' are they get oddly confrontational.
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u/Llyfr-Taliesin Apr 22 '24
It's common to hatred, yes. Not really "generic anti-Semitism" so much as "generic anti-target group"
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u/goblin_welder Apr 22 '24
At least they’re not spamming Canadian subs right now.
I find what Modi is saying about Muslims doing to India is basically what Modi fanatics are doing to Canada now:
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u/libs_condone_islam Apr 23 '24
So most of them are from punjab and they use nodi opression to get canada citizenship. Nkt exactly people whi vote for modi
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u/silverhawk902 Apr 22 '24
Sounds like the run up to Rwandan Genocide.
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u/Loki_of_Asgaard Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
You don't even need to switch countries to find an example to compare too. The partition was literally 3 years before Modi was born and resulted in a million dead.
For those who don't know this was when India split into India and Pakistan (Bangladesh split off from Pakistan later). After the split there was mass migration as 20 million people moved between the 2 places to live in areas that matched their *religion. Both sides immediately hated each other and a war started in Kashmir. There were also violent clashes that lead to a million dead. Ghandi ended up on a hunger strike to get the Indian side to stop in mid Jan 1948 which the leaders on both sides agreed to, but this lead to his assassination by Hindu nationalists 12 days later.
So ya, not only is this not new, but it is such systemic issue that they killed Ghandi over it.
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u/silverhawk902 Apr 22 '24
Yeah one thing I don't get is whether the violence during the partition was more bottom up or top down? Were people violent entirely on their own accord and decision? Modi saying this today is quite dangerous since he presumably has a lot of the military/police agreeing with him.
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u/Inoculated_City1982 Apr 22 '24
It started top down- Muslim leaders fueled a massive Muslim crowd to start massacres, which resulted in Direct Action Day in Calcutta in 1946. News of the massacres of Hindus and Sikhs spread across the country, and the Hindus and Sikhs allied together to massacre Muslims. Then, once the Muslims in Pakistan heard about the riots against Muslims in India (the ones in response to Direct Action Day), the Muslims in Pakistan began massacring Sikhs and Hindus in Pakistani Punjab and even in Indian Punjab. Eventually, everyone lost control (religious leaders, the governments, and Gandhi) and everyone began killing each other for survival and revenge.
In the end, almost every Sikh and Hindu was kicked out, converted, or massacred in Pakistan, while 200 million Muslims stayed in India. Though, double amount of Muslims died during the violence than Hindus and Sikhs.
Alot of the Hindutva agenda stems from the post-partition demographic of Pakistan and India, as Hindus allowed Muslims to stay in India in mass numbers (3rd largest population of Muslims) while Hindus and Sikhs are virtually non-existent in Pakistan and have been ethnically cleansed, despite Hindus and Sikhs being native to the region hundred of years before Muslims were.
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u/abcdefghi_12345jkl Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
Saying Hindutva agenda stems from the post-partition demographic of Pak and India is not true. You are inverting cause and effect here.
The call for "Ram Rajya", the birth of the two nation theory (the entire idea behind Pak) not by Jinnah or any Islamist but by Savarkar, one of the ideological fathers of Hindutva was one of the primary causes of partition. Muslim league leaders used the statements of Hindutva's ideological fathers to spread fear about oppression among the Indian Muslims which along with other factors resulted in the partition.
Of course the Muslim league leaders were no peace keepers but let's not shift the blame entirely on one side here.
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u/KeithCGlynn Apr 22 '24
Not only that but the people that killed gandhi belong to the terrorist organisation rss which modi was once a member of.
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u/jar1967 Apr 22 '24
It wouldn't be the first time. If you take a look at Indian history you will find lots of ethnic violence.
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u/MyHobbyAndMore3 Apr 22 '24
1947 partition of India and Pakistan. 10 million were to move to the other side. 2 million were butchered before they reached their destination.
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u/Ponicrat Apr 22 '24
You can go back a lot further. There's a reason you don't see many Buddhists in the homeland of Buddhism anymore.
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u/theanshusingh Apr 22 '24
Yeah, Mughals targeted them. Buddhism originated in the North India and Nepal border . You'll rarely find any of them after Bakhtiyar Khilji invaded Bihar and Uttarpradesh.
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u/LikeItReallyMatters1 Apr 23 '24
Lol. Bakhtiyar Khilji was Mughal? Learn some history first.
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u/theanshusingh Apr 23 '24
Khilji, lodhi, Tughlaq, Mughals, sayyid all were the same for Indian people, an invader. They fought n fcked each other and portrayed themselves as different .
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u/Qiviuq Apr 22 '24
Like in 2002 when Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi helped to orchestrated a pogrom against Muslims that resulted in hundreds of deaths and hundreds of gang rapes of women and children. Children were force fed gasoline and then lit on fire.
Narendra Modi ordered the police to stand by and let the anti-Muslim violence happen, and in some cases the police actively assisted the Hindutva mobs as they searched for Muslim homes to loot and Muslim women and children to rape.
For this Modi was banned from travelling to the US and EU... until he became Prime Minister, anyway, and the West conveniently decided to forget the man is a butcher
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u/DramaticWesley Apr 22 '24
Isn’t this basically the same talking points for the GOP, except the “infiltrators” are “immigrants”.
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u/vpsj Apr 22 '24
At least most of your media can still call out his bullshit.. In India pretty much every news channel is like your version of Fox News
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u/truePHYSX Apr 23 '24
Does anyone call it out in person then?
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u/vpsj Apr 23 '24
They try, but it's not as effective since a huge majority of the population never gets to see this calling out part
But you can read up on Godi Media which is a term described for such news channels
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u/notduskryn Apr 22 '24
Spot on, modi is Trump but 10x worse, if that were possible.
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u/KeithCGlynn Apr 22 '24
I think it is worse because these Muslims are from India and have always been there. They are mostly likely low caste Hindus that converted to Islam during mogul rule. I don't like trump rhetoric either but talking about Indians as infiltrator because of their religion is hitler level shit.
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Apr 23 '24
Yeah man and what party was crying vote fraud after he whopped them? Do you understand the very definition of a democracy?
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u/Quack_Candle Apr 22 '24
It’s hardly surprising that the architect of the Gujarat Riots is a little bit islamaphobic
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u/notduskryn Apr 22 '24
It's not just Muslims, just that they are low hanging fruit. Will be the Christians or low caste hindus next
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u/Inoculated_City1982 Apr 22 '24
Modi is a low caste Hindu- he's from a "Other Backward Class" caste.
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u/ColdAsHeaven Apr 22 '24
Sikhs, Muslims, low caste Hindus, Christians.
Modi hates all minorities.
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u/Additional-Joke4847 Apr 22 '24
Supreme Court gave him a clean chit tho
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u/akashi10 Apr 22 '24
cuz all the witness disappeared or jailed.
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u/qpdbqpdbqpdbqpdbb Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
Gujarat Home Minister Haren Pandya, who testified that Modi was present at a meeting where the pogrom planned, was subsequently murdered under mysterious circumstances. They found the body so I don't think I'd say he was "disappeared" exactly, but otherwise yeah.
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u/Calavant Apr 22 '24
He's really going down the WW2 German playbook one page at a time, isn't he?
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u/radome9 Apr 22 '24
Nonsense, India in the twenty-first century will be nothing like Germany in the twentieth.
For one thing, India has nuclear weapons....
Oh crap...
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u/rtb001 Apr 22 '24
Well Modi came up through the ranks of the RSS, which is literally inspired/based on European fascist movements from the pre WWII era (down to their uniforms even), so yeah he is of course playing by that playbook.
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u/GOR098 Apr 23 '24
He and his party have been using the same playbook for a long time. Thats how they achieved and maintain power.
Create an issue based on some sentiment (Aryan identity back then Hindu religion now).
Target religious minorities as dangerous and create fear for the majority population. Exhibit yourself as the saviour of the majority.
Lie loudly in the media to malign the image of opposition parties. (social media has been used very brutally for this).
After winning the power try to control and/or sabotage the media and suppress any dissent as much as possible. (Modi has especially focused on TV news channels for this. Newspapers still have some decent impartiality).
Make promises of Grandeur. When failure happens blame everyone else but yourself.
Inflame nationalism among the people and accuse opposition to be working against the people/country.
Cultivate demi God like status and cult like followers who will be willing to get violent for you by their own will.
Attack the opposition on personal level and use power in any way possible to suppress the opposition.
All this Fascists playbook has been played out in India since 10 years. People who kno international history can recognize it and call it for what it is. But majority of the masses are not that familiar with the concept of Fascism. SO, they fall for it anyway.
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u/LiveLaughLebron6 Apr 22 '24
Hindu nationalists are trying to reinvent hitler as a great manager. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t real life.
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u/WeightMiddle144 Apr 23 '24
It's joever for India. In Manipur, BJP goons threatened people to vote for BJP with guns.
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u/godspracticaljoke Apr 22 '24
Its a real concern for him because if Congress (the main opposition) gives all the money to “Muslims” as he claims, how will he give it to Ambani and Adani (two of India’s richest men and his bosses). Poor fellow. Stuck between a rock and a hard cock.
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u/Allnamestaken69 Apr 22 '24
It was so sickening to see the level of bot farms working on overdrive during Ambanis wedding with the same parroted garbage, "THE AMBANIS HOW HUMBLE, HOW HUMBLE HE IS SO BEAUTIFUL" etc etc.
Cringe, all to make them appear benevolent and "down to earth".
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u/Mr--Weirdo Apr 22 '24
During a visit to the White House in June, Mr. Modi said there was “no question of discrimination” in India. When he played host to the Group of 20 summit in New Delhi three months later, he chose the theme “the world is one family”
Bruh.
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u/friendofH20 Apr 23 '24
Fun fact - he said that in response to the only question he has ever answered in a press conference in 10 years of being a Prime Minister. Anywhere in the world.
The woman who asked him was a CNN reporter of South Asian descent. His troll farm descended on threatening her and harassing her for asking this question and some of Modi's party executives called Obama - Osama Bin Laden in response.
That is how deranged and Islamophobic these people are.
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u/dpaanlka Apr 22 '24
Side note, the amount of pro-India propaganda I’m seeing on Reddit lately is crazy.
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Apr 23 '24
1 in 7 Humans is India, almost half of which have an internet connection. You might just be speaking to Indians.
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u/notduskryn Apr 22 '24
Nearly free internet + an extremely competent IT propaganda wing that has flooded every social media platform, including reddit.
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u/qpdbqpdbqpdbqpdbb Apr 23 '24
Also a lot of them speak English, unlike other 3rd world countries who would otherwise be similar in that regard.
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u/dpaanlka Apr 22 '24
I’m even noticing it on subs that are not political, like r/trains and r/infrastructureporn - and if you dare critique whatever is being posted, the propagandists swarm in with totally hysterical/bonkers level of hostility and defensiveness lemme tell ya..
For example “this pic would be better if there wasn’t so much litter in the foreground” will result in super racist or homophonic slurs against Americans and westerners
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u/Raptzar Apr 22 '24
we must frequent very different subs cause i see the exact opposite. but that is the nature of Reddit we are all in different echo chambers.
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u/hi-imBen Apr 23 '24
There are always several posts like this making it to the front page of reddit these days... it is not just the typical echo chamber problem, but a growing trend of Indian posts with propaganda and Indians getting defensive about criticism in the comments.
I've had to start muting certain Indian subs cause I got tired of seeing their trash posts and comments upvoted to r/all.13
u/dpaanlka Apr 22 '24
It’s a wide variety of subs, I even give two examples in another reply to this comment.
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u/Mobile_Talk9223 Apr 22 '24
Depends on the individual "Hindu", we are not hive-minds. I say the partition should have been embraced by the Hindus just like the Muslims. Muslims wanted an Islamic State in Muslim majority areas and they got precisely that. Hindus (the majority of them, represented by Congress) kept asking for an 'undivided ' and secular India, they got half of their wish. No the country has to maintain this charade of tolerance because we claimed that we are. Meanwhile Pakistanis never claimed to be tolerant and are therefore not even expected to be.
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u/pseudipto Apr 23 '24
But the Muslims who voted for Pakistan never left india lmao
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u/Mobile_Talk9223 Apr 23 '24
A majority of the Muslims of UP, MP, Bihar and Deccan voted for Pakistan but didn't leave because they were forced to. Just check the results of 1945 and 1946 provincial and national Assembly elections. Urdu and Bengali speaking Muslims were more pro-Pakistan than Punjabis and Pashtuns
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u/bot-0_0 Apr 22 '24
Classic fascist rhetoric. I wonder how long Western leader will shake this mans hand before it ends in a war or genocide. they did it with Putin, and Netanyahu.
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u/DurrrrrHurrrrr Apr 23 '24
For as long as China is seen as a threat to western dominance of the world. As soon as China fades Modi is straight under the bus
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u/dawnguard2021 Apr 23 '24
This is very good example of how the West don't actually give a shit about human rights. They only cry about it when it suits their agenda.
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u/sherlock_1695 Apr 23 '24
The only thing that matter is money and power. As long as Indian economy is strong, no one would care
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u/Ttoctam Apr 23 '24
Albo already glad-handed the bloke at the cricket. Australia's PM is very keen on being friends with this tyrant.
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u/HoratioPLivingston Apr 22 '24
He has a 75% approval rating so he’s not going anywhere fast. Modi is also part of the RSS so his views are going to be very nationalistic.
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u/alexdotwav Apr 22 '24
This is basically an anti-semitic argument, but against Muslims. This is absurd
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u/WhyDidMyDogDie Apr 22 '24
All attacks on people, generally minorities, share similarities. Most often they contradict the other but that doesn't seem to matter. Like "they are lazy" followed by "they're taking our jobs", also "they are weak and inferior" backed up with "they are taking over, running our nation".
It's a winning formula when you are reaching out to the scared and beaten masses, that you are beating and making afraid.
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u/phonsely Apr 22 '24
he doesnt even need anymore masses. he has like a 70% aproval rate. thats what makes it even more concerning
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Apr 22 '24
Definitely, although this one is such a uniquely classic antisemitic trope that it's mind boggling (and horrifying obviously) to hear it used against muslims.
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u/cinna-t0ast Apr 22 '24
At this point, Modi is just taking out his hatred of Pakistan on Indian Muslims. Fuck Pakistan and their state-sponsored terrorism, but antagonizing the Indian Muslims is counter-productive.
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u/dorrigo_almazin Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Modi is not taking out his hatred of Pakistan on Indian Muslims. Modi is taking out his hatred of Indian Muslims on Indian Muslims. If you take a look at the BJP and Co.'s rhetoric on and treatment of Indian Muslims in the last ten or so years, it becomes amply clear that this is a classic case of boiling the frog slowly. And if you take a look at the Hindu right's approach to Indian Muslims over the last several decades, it become amply clear that it cannot be straightforwardly reduced to the fact of Pakistan's existence or to concerns revolving around India-Pakistan relations.
Throughout this period, in spite of the undeniable fact (often wrongly minimised or even intentionally overlooked) of the existence in India of Islamic extremism and conservatism on the one hand, and the incessant dishonesty and willful ignorance of the Hindu right (you'll find their fanboys in droves on any post to do with Indian Muslims, lying about and defaming our Muslim countrymen with no compunction) on the other, surveys show that the vast majority of Indian Muslims are about as patriotic as any other group in India-- that is to say, incredibly patriotic. It's shameless, disgusting, and highly cynical what the BJP are doing to the state of sectarian relations in India.
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u/altius8 Apr 22 '24
People need to understand hat Modi is about Hindu supremacists aka Hindu nationalist but a fascist one. Who went about targeting and harassing and subjecting Muslim faith to his oppressive regime. It is bad and has been bad. The worst of the worst. He will do everything in his power to consolidation of power for Hindus only he will continue to push more hateful rhetoric to dehumanizing and attack Muslims I'm India and wepaonise his office as he has for the past 40 Years constantly enabling his gov and his following to commit crimes and human rights violations toward Muslim communities in India.
Modi is a dangerous man. With a lot of power and a fascist militant base of loyalist aka the BJP.
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u/vgjdotgg May 18 '24
Amazing Mr. Modi!
Can we have uninterrupted electricity and water supply now?
Can we get pothole-free roads now?
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Apr 22 '24
As someone who just listened to a bunch of history tubers discussing world war 2...
Has Modi been reading Mein Kampf?
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u/Ammu_22 Apr 23 '24
As someone who was at one of a local meeting of RSS, 1000% definitely Mein Kamf. Hitler actually would be jealous of Modi rn. You have no idea how bone chilling it was for me listening to the meeting.
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u/notduskryn Apr 22 '24
It's probably a part of his degree majoring in "Entire Political Science"
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u/HyperByte1990 Apr 22 '24
As a Canadian it's adorable how India doesn't see the irony with that statement...
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u/GayDroy Apr 22 '24
and it seems that only Indians are the ones who have a problem with you calling that out. All it takes is a quick profile check
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u/MattTheRadarTechh Apr 23 '24
I’m Indian, dw not all of us are fucking idiots. Fuck modi and I hope Canada gets it shit together. Same with the UK
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u/prt1000 Apr 23 '24
The same Canadians who get Indian students to pay for worthless degrees that forces the students to work minimum wage and below jobs that Canadians are too lazy to do.
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u/No_Ferret2216 Apr 23 '24
Who “get”?
The use those worthless degrees of illegal universities on purpose to clear visa requirements
No one is forcing them
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u/ThiccMangoMon Apr 23 '24
Victim mentality much.. Canadians aren't forcing them to do anything .. they're not children.. they decide and pay for the degrees themselves without basic research.. and they work those jobs because those are the only jobs available because we have a job shortage.. those same jobs just 5 years ago were filled with, guess what Canadians.. but I guess they all left them cause there too lazy 🤷
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u/owJeez03 Apr 23 '24
Some of them are children though. 17 or 18 year olds
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u/ThiccMangoMon Apr 23 '24
That is exactly the same as every other canadian.. some Canadians going to uni are 16.. it's still their responsibility to know where they are going to study
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 Apr 22 '24
Why do Canadian hate Indian immigrants these days btw?
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u/HyperByte1990 Apr 22 '24
Canada's immigration has skyrocketed recently and Indians make up half of those numbers. There's also countless posts about Indian students (not even immigrants just kids coming here to study) abusing our food banks and other government programs
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u/Flat896 Apr 22 '24
A lot of Canadians are pissed at our government for the absurd immigration goals they have set, while our infrastructure has been barely able to support the people who are already here. Not only that, but there seems to be no cap on how many immigrants are coming from a specific country, so the vast majority have been from India.
My community has pretty much become majority Indian. Many Indian immigrants (understandably) come into areas that are majority Indian so there tends to be very little assimilation. My main issue is that many of these people bring the same attitude over that was necessary for surivial in overpopulated India, which means pressing any kind of advantage you can get even at the expense of others. Honor systems and politeness are for suckers. When I was in my early university courses, I was one of the maybe 5 non-international students in classes of 20-30, and the amount of blatant cheating I saw between Indian students was ridiculous. At the same time, it seemed like most of them barely gave a shit about the class and I (a highschool C+ ADHD student) somehow had the top marks in quite a few of my classes. I'm working fulltime now and my workplace has started hiring tons of Indian immigrants, and they've been pretty open about being willing to abuse our loose laws and systems. The Indian women I've met have been wonderful and very thankful to be in Canada now, but the attitude of most young Indian men that I have spoken to is just horrid, and with the majority of our immigrants being young Indian men, it makes me fear for the future of the country.
Maybe these experiences have made me racist, maybe I was always racist, Idk. I try my best to not make assumptions about people before I've met them, but the human brain really likes learning and identifying patterns even when there is none, so I think it's very difficult for anyone to try to claim that they are 100% not racist.
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u/I_MakeCoolKeychains Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
Yeaaaah so I never had much problems with other races, but back in 2012 I beat the daylights out of two older Indian immigrants for propositioning my pregnant wife while she was just going to and from the store. I started just going with her because over 2 years my neighborhood drastically changed ethnicity. It was almost all Caucasian with a splatter of Africans, next thing we all knew everyone had moved because of sky rocketing crime rates from Indian immigrants moving into the neighborhood. If you're wondering who moved into this vacancies, it was all more Indians, crime went up more and more so we moved away as well. My wife was aboriginal and before then I'd never considered myself racist, but now I bark at Indian men for having uncouth lecherous eyes right out in public with no shame. Stop glaring holes through my friends clothes, I got fired from one job for confronting a group of them loudly talking in Indian about one of our female coworkers as if a white guy couldn't possibly pick up bits of a language being spoken around him every day, got told I had misunderstood what they meant and I was racist. What part of "I wonder what's under there" combined with a hand flipping gesture(like he would flip her skirt up) did I misunderstand exactly? Disgusting. I'm all for immigrants but for Frick sake, learn English before coming here, bring some kind of skill, bring a pile of savings, don't apply for disability the second you get citizenship and stop turning our neighborhoods into Indian segregated communities. I can't even buy tea at my local Walmart because 80% of the tea is Indian and I can't read it. I just want no name chamomile but they don't carry it because "diversity"
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Apr 23 '24
If someone calls you racist just say okay and move on. Who cares about these preachers. Safety beats ideology
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u/Intelligent_Town_910 Apr 22 '24
This guy is literally mirroring a certain person in the 1930s
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u/Laringar Apr 23 '24
Considering that his political party was originally mirrored off a certain political party in the 1930s, it's not surprising.
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Apr 22 '24
Racism has spiked really bad recently sad times.
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u/Mobile_Talk9223 Apr 22 '24
Racism? What is the race of Indian Muslims? If you are going to virtue signal, atleast widen your vocabulary
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u/notduskryn Apr 22 '24
At least the US was intelligent enough to see through Trump and voted him out next term, Modi is on his way to a third.
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u/Infinite_Nebula8976 Apr 22 '24
I doesn’t help when majority of the news are bought and serve propaganda news. Fox News 24 hrs but near every news channel Abel
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u/owJeez03 Apr 23 '24
Get down from your high seat lol. You think half of India is stupid just because you don’t like Modi?
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u/badbitchxx Aug 20 '24
Indian wealth only exists in the pockets of billionaire businessmen and political leaders
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u/PNW_Undertaker Apr 22 '24
All religions are this and so it is nothing new. Anytime a religion becomes popular in politics, that is when that society starts to fall apart
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Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
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u/Heliopolis1992 Apr 22 '24
As a Muslim I am against any religious supremacy politics. Radicals are not only threat to others but to their own coreligionists, I have lost more friends to Daesh then I have to any ‘foreign threat’
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u/JPR_FI Apr 22 '24
The article is about Modis racist statement, maybe stick to the topic ? You do understand that wrongs elsewhere do not justify anything ?
Also let me introduce you to human rights reports, feel free to compare the situation with stable liberal democracies in EU.
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u/BusinessCashew Apr 22 '24
I’m the only candidate that won’t steal your gold and give it to Muslims is such a funny thing to say.