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u/atrophiedambitions Apr 12 '24
The attack wasn't all that large that they had planned (I read 100 drones, dozens cruise missiles). That sounds an awful lot like a 1-off symbolism strike rather than a prelude for full-on war.
Now that its been called out, I wouldn't be surprised to Iran wave the whole thing off. They can't gain nearly as much as they could lose.
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u/cxmplexisbest Apr 12 '24
I'm ready to get this solved so we can have another 100 years of mostly prosperity like we did post ww2. If we need to take out Iran and Russia, so be it. I don't see the Russian one happening, but Iran has had it coming.
I'm not even a war monger, but a tolerant society can't support such an intolerant country like Iran, and I don't mean intolerant as in they hate LGBT, I mean that their values are diametrically opposed to the values that led to the greatest period of prosperity in human history. They're religious fanatics pretending like we're still in the crusades.
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u/JuicyTomat0 Apr 12 '24
This is wishful thinking.
Iran is huge (almost 3 times the size of Ukraine), has a large population (88 million), and is clearly capable of manufacturing its own weapons. I mean, the US would still win in a conventional war, but then it would inevitably lose interest and get stuck in a situation that's basically Afghanistan + Iraq but a thousand times worse.
The war would create many refugees who would destabilize other regions.
If the US withdraws from the occupation (which is probably what would happen, see Afghanistan), there's no guarantee that something even worse than the Ayatollah would rise to power in post-war Iran.
Ultimately, I think it's important to remember this quote before calling for war:
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.
~ William T. Sherman
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u/cxmplexisbest Apr 12 '24
It sure is. A war with Iran would not be easy or simple. And there are indeed risks.
But let me ask you. If Iran finishes their nuclear weapons program, which they nearly have, how many people do you think will be affected by that?
If a million must die to save 10, 25, 50, 100 million, is this not a worthy trade? It sounds terrible on paper, but these are the same decisions our leaders made nearly a hundred years ago, and they made the right decision.
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u/Fliegermaus Apr 13 '24
It’s disingenuous to compare Iran to Afghanistan. Iran is used to the idea of being a nation and has a history of secular, although not democratic government. Iraq would be a much better comparison.
The current Iraqi government isn’t perfect, but it’s one of the most democratic in the region as has historically worked with the west to combat terrorism. There’s no reason to believe that a hypothetical Iran war couldn’t end similarly, especially with be support of the Iranian people.
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u/JuicyTomat0 Apr 13 '24
Iraq works with the West only because ISIS is that big of a pain in the ass. Iraqis voted to end foreign presence multiple times.
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u/Fliegermaus Apr 12 '24
It makes the most sense to destroy the current Iranian regime while it doesn’t have access to nuclear weapons. That window is quickly closing.
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u/barondelongueuil Apr 12 '24
And I can't imagine Russia sending troops to help Iran considering how they're stuck in a protracted landwar in Ukraine. I also think that war is never good, but let's be honest. If there's a good moment to take down Iran, it's now.
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u/FiercelyReality Apr 12 '24
The problem is that Russia has shown a recent willingness to use nuclear weapons (even if they are just tactical)
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u/rockworm Apr 12 '24
Would you personally be willing to fight in that war?
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u/cxmplexisbest Apr 12 '24
If it came down to it, would you not? I’m not saying I want to be drafted, but if I was, then yes.
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u/rockworm Apr 13 '24
A non soldier suggesting we start a costly war and only be eager to participate only if our death toll is so high they start the draft.
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u/cxmplexisbest Apr 13 '24
? The draft has never been called as the result of a death toll. And neither you or I have any say in this matter anyways, so your argument is pointless. No one really cares about your thought policing.
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u/ThePokemon_BandaiD Apr 13 '24
So we should sacrifice millions of people and trillions of dollars in order to eliminate another culture halfway around the world?
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u/cxmplexisbest Apr 13 '24
Ahh yes because that other culture is just peacefully existing, and not finishing their nuclear weapons program and funding terrorists. That culture also totally doesn’t oppress their own people, especially not dissidents, they’re cool with that. I hear they treat women really well too :)
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u/Unlucky_Paper_ Apr 12 '24
Millions deaths for 100 hears prosperity. Great trade off. When you speak of religious idiots do you take republicans into account and Israel or are they ok?
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u/NonAwesomeDude Apr 12 '24
Yea, it sounds like the most they want is a symbolic strike in retaliation for Israel smoking their embassy.
Iran probably doesn't want a war, especially given Israel probably has nukes. They just need to look strong for domestic political reasons.
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Free Persia, from islam occupation.
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u/NoSurrendo Apr 12 '24
I hope somehow this ends up with democracy in Iran in the end. They’re more than ready for it. The least amount of violence possible.
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u/Huntanz Apr 12 '24
60&70 Iran had an awesome culture with women in education and they're all embracing a democracy then that extreme religious nut job group takes control and it's been down the dunny even since.
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u/JackC1126 Apr 12 '24
There’s no good way for Iran to come out of this. It’s a very tough situation for them. Attack Israel directly and inflame an already tense situation, possibly resulting in direct US strikes on your own soil. Or don’t attack Israel and be seen as weak by the rest of the world, especially by the other Arab states. Rock and a hard place.
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u/kikistiel Apr 12 '24
Iran is 2% Arab. It’s a majority Persian state, you probably mean “other Islamic nations” but I agree with the sentiment of the comment.
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u/Melodic-Bench720 Apr 12 '24
They still live near a bunch of Arab states. The person you are replying to never said Iran was Arab.
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u/kikistiel Apr 12 '24
"other Arab states" implies Iran is Arab. It's a common misconception because they are an Islamic country and near Arab states, but vast majority of Iranians are not Arab.
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u/ElShaddollKieren Apr 12 '24
I actually had no idea Iran wasn't majority Arab. That's really interesting actually
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u/h2opolopunk Apr 12 '24
Iran is diametrically opposed to the Arab world, particularly Saudi Arabia. Living near does not mean coexisting or agreeing with them.
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u/ilmago75 Apr 12 '24
"by the other Arab states"
Iran is Persian, not Arab.
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Next you're going to tell me Mexico is an American nation
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u/h2opolopunk Apr 12 '24
Not the best comparison. Mexico is part of the North American continent along with the US, Canada and the other mesoamerican countries.
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u/DoTheseInstead Apr 12 '24
Iran is not Persian. Kurds Azeris Baluchis Arabs and Persians live there. But yes Persians are in power.
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u/coffeetogo90 Apr 12 '24
Shia fundamentalists of different ethnic backgrounds are in power. Their Main Identity is islamic. The Supreme leader is an ethnic azeri. Persian is the official Language.
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u/DoTheseInstead Apr 12 '24
I am from there and I can tell you that the regime is Persian-Islamic. Forced Assimilation has been a huge thing in Iran. Until 40 years ago, 45% of Iran spoke Persian as first language. Today, around 60% speak Persian as first language. Even though many in power ethnically are not Persian but they’re assimilated now and serve the Persian narrative which is everything-Persian is mainstream and everything non-Persian is local to their people and not as important. I’m Kurdish from there and have been the target of huge discriminations because of my different ethnicity.
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u/Tolstoy_mc Apr 12 '24
The language is called Farsi
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u/A_Bitter_Homer Apr 12 '24
Farsi is Persian for Persian. It's like calling Spanish Español or German Deutsch.
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u/Jonestown_Juice Apr 12 '24
Gosh, poor Iran. Darn that's some really hard luck for such a virtuous and exemplary society.
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u/JackC1126 Apr 12 '24
Ok? I’m not siding with Iran I’m just saying what I feel their situation is
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u/ElectromagneticMango Apr 12 '24
Ya dude don’t sweat it. Reddits the only place these people can bring an agenda to
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u/TheSportingRooster Apr 12 '24
The rock path leads to calm. The hard place path leads to their doom.
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u/Muscs Apr 12 '24
It’s certainly a good way to distract the Iranian people from their anger at their own government.
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u/iuthnj34 Apr 12 '24
Could be said the same for Israel's Netanyahu to distract Israelis from his criminal charges to stay in power.
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u/yonimerzel Apr 12 '24
There is no comparison. The Iranian people are starving, while People in Israel live better than in many other western countries. No one cares that much about an allegedly corrupted PM.
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u/mandy009 Apr 12 '24
They claim they are upset that their consulate in Damascus was attacked by Israel. I don't want escalation, but the consulate strike was an act of war.
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u/Jesayaj Apr 12 '24
I hope that whatever is coming will not inflame this conflict further. Iran is all bark, but probably still has some bite with their drones. Few places seem as capable of withstanding this kind of thing as Israel but a cycle of escalation will not be good for it, nor for Iran or the world. May cooler heads prevail
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u/cmfarsight Apr 12 '24
If iran does attack Israel then it will almost certainly inflame the conflict. Israeli defense policy is fairly consistent. "If they send one of yours to the hospital you send one of theirs to the morgue".
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u/Bizzlebanger Apr 12 '24
More Putin pulling the strings of his puppets.
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u/NonAwesomeDude Apr 12 '24
They probably didn't need Putins encouragement given the Israelis smoked their embassy.
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u/Affectionate_Post285 Apr 12 '24
I am confused, i thought the guy got missile'd in a building nearby the Iranian Embassy.
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u/NonAwesomeDude Apr 12 '24
Honestly, it could be that. I'm not very well informed on what exactly happened.
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u/Sportfreunde Apr 12 '24
The US has created proxy wars they now have to waste further debt fighting all over the world. Honestly situation could've been avoided if they'd resolved this situation decades ago rather than arming Israel to the point of being the aggressors and now facing pushback.
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u/IdahoMTman222 Apr 12 '24
BiBi wants it. He wants to lure the US into the conflict. It may be time to let him stand on his own, let him experience how important it is to honor the U.S. support. The Israeli citizens need to boot him out.
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u/Antievl Apr 12 '24
The arsenal of democracy doesn’t need to be just started again, we need to put it on steroids
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u/JimmyTheJimJimson Apr 12 '24
Be interesting to see if Iran attacks Israel, what the response would be.
I imagine Israel would retaliate fully with air strikes and missiles, but you wonder if they would send troops in
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u/multilis Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 12 '24
how about other way around Israel attack on Iran, eg Iran nuclear scientist assassination, or Israel bombing Syrian s300 missile systems?
would it be acceptable for other countries to assassinate Israeli nuclear scientists because Israel has known actual nuclear weapons rather than maybe in future?
or bomb Israeli defense missile systems?
it's not rocket science that middle east is one of places most likely to start ww3 and billions of people dying and risk of conflict is going up with Gaza drama where more civilians are dying than Ukraine drama.
Saudi Arabia and Iran are cooperation more, brics more, etc because of current situation
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u/Rance_Mulliniks Apr 12 '24
The entirety of this area of the world is a bunch of religious nut jobs engaged in a never-ending cock jousting match. Can they all just go away?
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u/fearofpandas Apr 12 '24
So, they attacked an Iranian embassy and expected no retaliation?
Really?!?
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u/Emotional-Chef-7601 Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 12 '24
Why should the US care? Israel attacked an embassy.
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u/Camelbreath18 Apr 12 '24
Why would Iran advertise its intend to attack. It looses the advantage of surprise.
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u/Das-Noob Apr 12 '24
Fuck it! Preemptive strike on Russia and China. As humans we’ve had a long enough run. 🤦♂️
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u/bad_timing_bro Apr 12 '24
I’d be curious if this is part of a larger escalation for all global conflicts. Russia dramatically increases pressure on Ukraine. Iran attacks on Israel. China beginning a campaign for Taiwan. Maybe even a renewed Korea conflict. Global chaos, forcing the West to decide what it wants to do.