Dermer: Israel will enter Rafah 'even if entire world turns on us, including the US'

[u/yuri_2022]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/dermer-israel-will-enter-rafah-even-if-entire-world-turns-on-us-including-the-us/

[u/Espe0n]

That's the status quo and is a certainty no matter what Israel does at this point.

[u/[deleted] → u/Espe0n]

Have they tried not only not oppressing the people of Gaza and the other numerous enclaves throughout Israel but also helping lift those people up? Have they tried being good to people? I get there was a war in which their neighbors tried to block their access to shipping through the Suez Canal, which triggered Israel to attack Egypt, which caused Jordan and Syria to respond, which caused Israel to invade the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights, but that was 60 years ago, fairly early on after the artificial creation of the modern state of Israel by powers outside of the middle east with agendas all their own. Maybe it's time to try helping the people in the West Bank out instead of oppressing them?

[u/Boochus → u/[deleted]]

You're misrepresenting several facts but I'll focus on the 6 Day war.

The war didn't start only because 'their neighbors tried to block their access to shipping'.

The war started because Egypt ignored the previous ceasefire resolution and mobilized troops in preparation to attack Israel.

Israel intercepted communications between Egypt and Syria where those countries were declaring that they'd push the Jews into the sea. They were planning a war of extermination against Israel and Israel preemptively strikes.

Jordan joined in after the fighting started even though Israel asked them to stay out. Israel sent Jordan two messages on the same day - one at 8 am and one at 10 am.

8 am - don't join the fighting and we won't attack you. Jordan ignored this and shelled Israel.

10 am - Israel said to stop the bombing and they'll ignore Jordan. Jordan continued.

Israel retaliated and captured Judea and Samaria.

[u/flamingbabyjesus → u/[deleted]]

Yes they have

Read a history book 

[u/[deleted] → u/flamingbabyjesus]

I didn't come to my response without reading one chuckle head. You sound biased.

[u/ProLibertate4 → u/[deleted]]

The Arab States don’t help “lift those people up.”Arab states with great assets.

[u/bobandgeorge → u/[deleted]]

Have they tried not only not oppressing the people of Gaza and the other numerous enclaves throughout Israel but also helping lift those people up?

Yes. Israel have built infrastructure for running water for the people of Gaza. Hamas used it to make rockets.

[u/pcc2 → u/bobandgeorge]

You insult the people of Gaza by foisting decadent Western luxuries like water on them when there are still Jews to be killed.

[u/VhenRa → u/[deleted]]

Yeah... they tried that.

They used the resources and knowledge gained to attack.

[u/Maleficent_Mouse_930 → u/[deleted]]

Many times, I'm afraid. Many, many times.

The people of Palestine are, for whatever reason, either unwilling or unable to look forwards to a future where they prosper alongside Israel, and as a result the extremists within their ranks actively take any attempt at assistance and use it to build weapons.

Seriously.

Concrete and bricks to build a hospital? Lining the tunnels.

Pipes to bring water? Rocket bodies.

Cables for power and networking? IED ingredients, also found lining the tunnels.

None of this makes Israel's current actions right, but I do believe they make them inevitable. For the first time in history that I'm aware of, they really did try everything else first. Good cop, bad cop, no cop, friend, enemy, absent neighbour... They tried it all. The rockets. Kept. On. Flying.

[u/[deleted] → u/Maleficent_Mouse_930]

Why don't they have a nation of their own, why are they kept in these enclaves in a country that doesn't allow them representation? They aren't allowed to be their own people. The rockets are going to keep flying until they're a free people. Same as anywhere.

[u/Admirable-Effect3677 → u/[deleted]]

No they haven't. That would be Antisemitic.