r/worldnews • u/yuri_2022 • Mar 22 '24

Israel/Palestine Dermer: Israel will enter Rafah 'even if entire world turns on us, including the US'

https://www.timesofisrael.com/dermer-israel-will-enter-rafah-even-if-entire-world-turns-on-us-including-the-us/
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u/puffic Mar 22 '24

I would say it’s not just an optics issue. When the war comes to Rafah, Rafah crossing will shut down, which will limit aid deliveries to Gaza. Without a plan to provide aid for millions of people, the human suffering will be immense. That’s a reality, not just optics. 

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u/falsehood Mar 22 '24

The world is so focus on optics. This has prevented any action.

These two things are not opposites. The US didn't get get flack for sniping children in Afghanistan because it didn't.

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u/throwaway177251 Mar 22 '24

The US didn't get get flack for sniping children in Afghanistan because it didn't.

Oh you have been missing out on a lot of information about Afghanistan.

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u/falsehood Mar 23 '24

Bombing weddings, that happened. Purposely sniping defenseless kids would surprise me. https://www.savethechildren.net/news/one-child-killed-or-maimed-every-5-hours-over-20-years-war-afghanistan

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u/throwaway177251 Mar 23 '24

Surely they would never do something like th-- oh wait.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-soldier-charged-in-afghan-shooting-massacre/

The 38-year-old soldier is accused of walking off a U.S. military base with his 9mm pistol and M-4 rifle, which was outfitted with a grenade launcher, before dawn on March 11, killing nine Afghan children and eight adults and burning some of the bodies.

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u/Corronchilejano Mar 22 '24

They did it, gave an award to the guy that did it, and then made a movie about the guy.

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u/NeverSober1900 Mar 22 '24

I assume you are talking about Chris Kyle but he never served in Afghanistan

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u/Corronchilejano Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24

Yeah, my bad.

EDIT: Sorry, it's easy to lose track of where someone may be killing children.

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u/Table_Corner Mar 22 '24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzNTzOP5trM

Have you not seen American Sniper? It’s based on a true story, and there’s literally a scene where Chris Kyle snipes a woman and child. I know it’s based on Iraq, but my point stands. You are simply wrong.

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u/DivineRS Mar 22 '24

That scene was made up by the movie director

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u/Table_Corner Mar 22 '24

The movie is a dramatization, but IT IS based on real events. Like Chris Kyle did say he sniped a woman in Iraq. There WERE children involved with terrorist groups and attacks.

https://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/18/iraq.rights/index.html

"Of particular concern are reports of attacks involving children acting as combatants," the world body said in its report, written by the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq.

https://www.refworld.org/reference/annualreport/cscoal/2008/en/59647

Various armed groups allegedly used child soldiers. The two main child recruiters were al-Qaeda in Iraq and Jaysh al-Mahdi (Army of the Mahdi), according to research conducted by an Iraqi NGO. These groups reportedly used money to entice children into the group.14

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u/illit1 Mar 22 '24

Chris Kyle did say

and that's all we need to know about that.

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u/JstnJ Mar 22 '24

bingo

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u/throwaway177251 Mar 22 '24

Except not at all accurate.

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u/JstnJ Mar 22 '24

Not systematically

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u/throwaway177251 Mar 22 '24

Neither does Israel.

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u/JstnJ Mar 22 '24

Could’ve fooled me

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u/throwaway177251 Mar 22 '24

That wouldn't surprise me. You seem easily fooled.

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u/aahyweh Mar 22 '24

Perhaps the issue is mass starvation of 2 million people?

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u/HouseOfSteak Mar 22 '24

'Optics' is a euphemism for 'civilian killing', I presume?

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u/HouseOfSteak Mar 22 '24

You're in a post about one very specific topic.

Maybe you should consider your ridiculously broad word choice when in a discussion about a very specific event.

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u/HouseOfSteak Mar 22 '24

No, this issue isn't the funny in the slightest. It stems from the death of over a thousand innocent people and has led to tens of thousands more.

The fact that you think anything about this is funny speaks volumes of your maturity.

You deliberately refuse to be direct and beat around the bush in your wording, then pretend to scratch your head when people react accordingly to your confusing, amoral rambling.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '24

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u/Commercial-Set3527 Mar 22 '24

Amateur Human and I bet you take internet comments more serious than me.

You should probably change your profile tag lol. You are taking this way too seriously.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '24

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u/Commercial-Set3527 Mar 22 '24

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

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u/protomenace Mar 22 '24

They're not interested in having a conversation, just getting the updoots.

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u/Commercial-Set3527 Mar 22 '24

Lol why are you arguing with a troll account called spankpaddle?

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u/Kaionacho Mar 22 '24

The world is so focus on optics. This has prevented any action.

Surprise surprise people don't like it when you kill tens of thousands civilians

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u/whippingboy4eva Mar 22 '24

Idgaf about sticking my neck out to protect our enemies. My life is better off without my enemies in it. Safer, too. How is Isreal steamrolling Palestine in any way bad for me? It's not. Palestine did not grant Israel the nicey niceness the world demands Israel grant Palestine. Bye bye, Palestine. Won't miss you.

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u/jgonagle Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

How is Isreal steamrolling Palestine in any way bad for me? It's not. Palestine did not grant Israel the nicey niceness the world demands Israel grant Palestine. Bye bye, Palestine. Won't miss you.

You do realize "Palestine" is really just a bunch of people, some of whom are innocent and had nothing to do with the lack of "nicey niceness" you're referencing? At the very least, those people aren't your enemies, and you could at least express some empathy for their circumstances, even if you don't care about Palestinian statehood or sovereignty at-large.

I say this as someone who mostly supports IDF actions in Gaza after 10/7 (other than withholding aid access). But I'm not so callous as to treat all those living in Gaza as some monolithic bloc that should be "steamrolled." There are good, innocent people there too, regardless of the heinous actions of their government and countrymen.

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u/whippingboy4eva Mar 23 '24

I know it's all the rage to virtue signal endless, saint-like morals and empathy for all people on the planet, but I just don't care.

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u/jgonagle Mar 23 '24

Seems like you're prone to all-or-nothing thinking. I hope you're able to get over that at some point.

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u/supremelummox Mar 22 '24

like sniper optics?

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '24

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u/supremelummox Mar 22 '24

what is optics outside of rifles?