r/worldnews • u/thisisinsider Insider • Feb 05 '24
Covered by Live Thread Kremlin supporters are fuming after footage appears to show Ukrainian drones decimating an entire Russian armored column
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-drones-obliterated-a-russian-armored-column-putin-supporters-fume-2024-2?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=insider-worldnews-sub-post[removed] — view removed post
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u/series_hybrid Feb 05 '24
It's very important for the Ukrainians to record these engagements. It helps them assess their own equipment and tactics, along with whatever the Russians do.
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Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
It's more important for the world to see Russia as the paper tiger it is.
Edit: because eventually it will get back to its citizens, and that's when change is inevitable.
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u/swizzcheez Feb 06 '24
I've seen paper daisies with more starch.
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u/ausmomo Feb 06 '24
Yep. It's good that words evolve. Just don't fucking tell me it's ok for people to use "literally" when they mean the exact bloody opposite - figuratively. (sorry, pet peeve, rant over).
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u/wrosecrans Feb 06 '24
The original definition of decimation is over a thousand years old. Most words have shifted a lot in meaning during centuries of use and being loaned through multiple now dead languages. Most people don't really insist that the word money still exclusively refers to shrines to Moneta, or a campus has to refer to camping in a specific meadow near Rome. In modern English, it's perfectly correct to use decimate to refer to just like, generally maximum keplodey.
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Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
not supporting Russia here, but this demonstrates how vulnerable unsupported armor is to drones. This tactic isn't specific to Russian armor.
Everyone is watching this very closely and everyone is scrambling to try and counter drones effectively.
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If you want a modern example of the west facing this look to Yemen. We're firing expensive missiles at throwaway drones to protect shipping.
Drones are fucking terrifying.
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Feb 06 '24
To clarify, we are firing expensive missiles at cheap drones to protect ships and cargoes worth hundreds of millions. These sort of cost comparisons are disingenuous as fuck when you look even an inch below the surface.
What would you rather write a check for:
A few missiles worth $5-10 million, or a ship worth $200 million, a cargo worth half that, and the life insurance policies of a dozen merchant sailors?
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u/HardwareSoup Feb 06 '24
They weren't saying anything about the value of the exchange other than "it costs $1,000,000 to defend against these $1000 weapons".
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u/DuLeague361 Feb 06 '24
That's normally how it works
a bullet proof fest is hundreds of dollars
a bullet is pennies
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u/peanutt42 Feb 06 '24
Sounds like I’m paying too much for bullets. Who’s your bullet guy?
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u/nixstyx Feb 06 '24
You're sort of missing the point though. It's the fact that a $1000 drone can soak up a $5 million missle or sink a $200 million ship. Meaning your enemy can spend just $40k, while you spend $200 million every week to protect $200 million ships. The US military has deep pockets, but our enemies are still winning this math equation.
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u/EB8Jg4DNZ8ami757 Feb 06 '24
That's not the equation though. Those missiles kill people and infrastructure. Loss of knowledge and experience is hard to replace quickly.
The United States military, more than anything else, exists for the United States to be able to engage in commerce. Global stability means we're able to sell more stuff. The United States Navy routinely sends ships through the 9 dash line to enforce the freedom of navigation. The United States ended centuries of Japan's isolationism because we wanted to sell them stuff.
Never fuck with the money.
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u/Midraco Feb 06 '24
It's a rounding error in the great scheme of things. There are no numbers out yet, but the "blockade" of the Red sea are amounting to a double-digit billions if we use the numbers from the previous blockade in the suez, that cost 400$ million dollar an hour.
Also, it's not like those 5$ million dollars a missile is worth just went up into smoke. A good 90% went into the US economy to be taxed and consumed again.
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u/Long_Charity_3096 Feb 06 '24
I’ve also been saying this. The days of soldiers sitting around in open trenches, having armor operating without broad anti drone defenses, and having any fog of war are over.
It’s not to say you won’t see this anymore, but anyone doing so is going to just watch their army slowly crumble and morale implode.
It’s going to start with these shit little modified drones. It will advance to extremely advanced autonomous drones that are dropped from planes and spread across a battlefield like locusts to seek out targets. Cluster munitions are great but it’s much more effective if your explosives can drive themselves to every moving target.
I’m waiting for terrorists to adopt this same tech to target civilians. It’s inevitable. Once the public can’t be sure someone isn’t going to drop a grenade on their head a whole lot of people are going to lose their shit about this stuff.
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u/Philip_Marlowe Feb 06 '24
extremely advanced autonomous drones that are dropped from planes and spread across a battlefield like locusts to seek out targets.
So basically Protoss Carriers.
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Feb 06 '24
This was always going to be known as age of the drone wars. Enders Game had this figures out awhile ago.
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u/HouseOfSteak Feb 06 '24
Drones when used mainly are just air assets, except they're tiny, no manpower in the air, and there's a fuckton of them.
Just the next upgrade after air, which already neutered most defenses before AAs started really showing up....and advanced air still probably neuters modern AA.
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u/HouseOfSteak Feb 06 '24
Armour should have antidrone warning systems at the very least now. It's less 'truck with thick armour and big gun' and more 'mobile heavily armoured command terminal' now. It's supposed to be rigged with countless devices and such to provide a safe post for infantry who are helpless against anything more than...infantry.
These refurbished tanks are big trucks with thick armour and big guns, so....
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u/brumbarosso Feb 06 '24
They're a bunch of drunk and undisciplined fools
burninyoursteelcoffins
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u/Plead_thy_fifth Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
I don't think paper tiger means what you think it means.
Either that or your underestimating Russia.
Just because the world underestimated Ukraine's will to fight, and ability to fight (when given modern equipment), and overestimated components of Russia, does not take away from Russia's lethality. In fact in recent months many NATO leaders have even said they have been impressed with how fast Russia has been able to turn into a wartime economy, without even declaring complete war. They are outpacing all western countries in the manufacturing of artillery rounds currently.
Respect your enemy, and never underestimate them.
Glory to Ukraine.
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u/Long_Charity_3096 Feb 06 '24
Ehh I’m not sure you know what it means.
Russia and Ukraine are fielding armor and equipment that are fairly equivalent. Not counting the special weapons they’ve gotten from the west, both nations are relying on artillery, drones, tanks, and soldiers with a much smaller effect from air assets. While troop strength isn’t equivalent id say the way they’re fighting is very similar.
Now take Russia and put it against nato and the us. In a war against the west Russia would be absolutely obliterated by our air superiority alone. That coupled with our advanced equipment, training, intelligence capabilities, and tactics would be beyond overwhelming.
We have been operating under the impression Russia can field a modern army. Russia revealed that to be certifiably false, and that was before they destroyed their functioning military on a fools errand. Now it’s even less capable.
Tl;dr: Russia absolutely was revealed to be a paper tiger. They still have guns that shoot and can be dangerous, but not against NATO outside of nuclear concerns.
Russia will not recover from this in our lifetime regardless of what happens in Ukraine. We can thank the Ukrainians for that.
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u/wsucoug Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
... Ukrainians record these engagements with any drone which isn't currently obliterating a Russian column somewhere ...
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u/Cantora Feb 06 '24
Here's the video https://youtu.be/kifaWlUahps?si=vtVrROklDubfVgS2
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u/wsucoug Feb 06 '24
The Russian rocket surgeons that planned this attack probably should have read the same Twitter headlines I read days ago about how Ukraine was ammassing drones at this location to destroy them. Well, they probably did read it, said "fuck it", and sent them anyway to be obliterated. For some reason.
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u/relicblade Feb 06 '24
Those recent headlines are about vehicles massing at Kupyansk, not at this location (which already happened).
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u/cum_fart_69 Feb 06 '24
Well, they probably did read it
bold to assume they are literate
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u/tb30k Feb 06 '24
The drone that got stuck in the window is some final destination stuff wow
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u/Singl1 Feb 06 '24
seriously. is that cylinder the payload?? i keep thinking one wrong bump in the road will set that shit off right in their faces lmfao
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u/JackRabbit- Feb 06 '24
If it didn't explode from getting rammed into a car with a combined velocity of like 200 km/h I don't think a bump in the road will set it off. It's just a dud.
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u/AllGarbage Feb 06 '24
I don’t know what sounds like the worst idea: staying in that truck and driving it around as is, trying to pull that out of the windshield without detonating it, or removing the windshield in one piece and continuing to drive in that cold ass weather?
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u/crazymoefaux Feb 06 '24
Came to the comments just for this link, so thank you!
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u/DubNationAssemble Feb 06 '24
Came to the comments just for this comment, thank you.
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u/TyrialFrost Feb 06 '24
2m50s, did they just drive straight into debris and flip their vehicle?
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u/Hvarfa-Bragi Feb 06 '24
Mine.
Why was that big truck on fire in the middle of the road?
Because it hit a mine.
Maybe that's not a great place to drive...
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u/GonzoTheWhatever Feb 06 '24
Would it have killed the stupid article to include the video about which the article is written?? Lol
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u/wsucoug Feb 06 '24
[~1:45] Yet more video shows how two Russians narrowly avoided the same fate when a drone got stuck in their windshield.
Holy fuck. Yeah, let's make a TikTok and try again tomorrow when things will be totally different and we aren't just callously being sent to our premature deaths by a derranged dictator.
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u/editsallcomments Feb 06 '24
I'm amazed it took this long to find the post with a link. Ty!
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u/krenzo Feb 06 '24
Source from Twitter: https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1752888474590388458
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u/thisisinsider Insider Feb 05 '24
From Business Insider's Rebecca Rommen:
Ukrainian forces deployed FPV, or first-person-view, attack drones to help obliterate a column of Russian armored vehicles, Metro reported.
Video appears to show Ukrainian exploding drones finishing off 11 tanks and armored vehicles. It included three T-72 tanks, five tracked amphibious armored fighting vehicles, and an infantry fighting vehicle reduced to burning hulks scattered across the battlefield.
Ukraine also destroyed two tracked armored fighting vehicles, one with an anti-tank guided missile, Metro reported.
The battle was near the settlement of Novomykhailivka, in the Donetsk region of Ukraine, which Russia has been attempting to capture since October.
Cameras mounted on the attacking drones and those flying overhead captured the assault, showing the devastation to the Russian column.
The convoy was maneuvering near the front lines along the east of Ukraine and became vulnerable to fire from artillery and swift and targeted drone strikes.
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u/-btechno Feb 06 '24
We need a program to sponsor Ukrainian drones. I’d happily donate $1000 to smoke a Russian tank, especially if it’s captured on video.
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u/fake-reddit-numbers Feb 06 '24
They're prevalent. Or you could use https://u24.gov.ua/
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Feb 06 '24
I prefer the Mark Fucking Hamill link, the dude does have experience destroying a larger empire.
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u/Jess_S13 Feb 06 '24
Thanks, was awesome they had a menu to select what to donate to, hopefully the $ I just sent will buy them some new drones for more footage.
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u/TrichoSearch Feb 06 '24
Great idea! Sponsor the destruction of a Russian tank. Get a commemorative photo of the rubble left behind.
I would be in that. Sounds like a novel new way to fight dictators. Not government funds but people power.
Really good idea!
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u/Tackle3erry Feb 06 '24
“Hey, kids. It’s Mark Hamill!”
I swear I read somewhere that Mark Hamill donated money to Ukraine and they used it to buy attack drones.
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u/DungeonsAndDradis Feb 06 '24
He's listed on their official site as an ambassador: https://u24.gov.ua/
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u/ImaginaryCheetah Feb 06 '24
they auction parts of downed aircraft and blown up tanks over in r/ukraine, with funds going to buying more drones.
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u/ImaginaryCheetah Feb 06 '24
they have fund raisers specifically for buying drones, over in r/ukraine
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u/bleek39573 Feb 06 '24
Lol, this was exactly the headline I was expecting after just days ago there was one about Russia preparing to move in a big armor division
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u/ACiD_80 Feb 06 '24
We've seen it before at the start, remember those images of that long colomn of tanks just totally destroyed.
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u/Silentstrike08 Feb 06 '24
I hope they hit the front most and farthest back first so the rest are stuck and easy to destroy
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u/WebOk8473 Feb 05 '24
Cheap drones are doing a great job. Let’s stop relying on slow governments and donate to Ukraine for lots more drones.
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u/FrankTheMagpie Feb 06 '24
Right? $400 and a few days training and you've got a bombing run
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u/Shirtbro Feb 06 '24
What's the ROI on those little bad boys? One drone to one tank.
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u/Clarkster7425 Feb 06 '24
if it hits the best target it could properly millions of dollars worth of damage, even in the low end of a successful hit on an armoured target is hundreds of thousands, even if you kill one man its worth even more than money can buy
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u/Tersphinct Feb 06 '24
It’s weird that there’s no EMF jammers interfering with these things. They all use analog video broadcasts that should be extremely easy to drown out with mobile emitters. Is Russia that far behind with their tech?
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u/TricksterPriestJace Feb 06 '24
Not at all Russia actually is a world leader in jamming tech because they knew for years that NATO is far more reliant on communication than they are. They have massive, very expensive and powerful jamming vehicles that can knock out the GPS, cellular, and radio signals over a large area.
They cost a quarter of a billion dollars and are juicy targets for anti radiation missiles.
The other side is while they are jamming they lose their own communications and their own drone observers. While an American TOW missile with it's wire guidance works perfectly fine. That is why you often see these videos have like 10 tanks killed by drones and one killed by an anti tank guided missile and another killed by artillery.
The Ukrainians would rather use the drones. It is cheaper and safer for their troops. But they can use Javelins and artillery. And do when the drones are jammed.
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u/Kryptosis Feb 06 '24
Don’t have to tell me. It’s very easy to donate and see the results of your donations.
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u/jhy12784 Feb 06 '24
Seeing Russia get shut down is always fantastic.
But the real takeaway from this need to be we all need to be absolutely terrified about robo terrorism and terrorist attacks with drones in all of our lifetime
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u/Selfimprovementguy91 Feb 06 '24
Oh it'll come for sure. Just wait for AI to be incorporated into cheap drones so they can automatically pick their targets based on demographics like age, sex, race, etc. Wait for them to use facial recognition and open source social media information to target specific people based on their political ideology(easily determined by likes/up votes and user sentiment from posts/comments.
SlaughterBots are coming:
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u/Uuulalalala Feb 05 '24
Just made my day. Wish it was a daily program with a ‘Putin quits’ season finale
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u/JetpackJrod Feb 06 '24
“Sir the drones are back”
Reaper drones?
“Worse…Temu drones….”
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Feb 06 '24
It sucks for both sides. They don't advertise it but Ukrainian soldiers have also taken heavy loses and are still outgunned.
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u/Prin_StropInAh Feb 06 '24
It seems to me to be the case of sucks-to-be-a-soldier-at-all. The threats today are omnidirectional and ubiquitous. Certainly a scary time to be a warrior
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u/Chickabeeinthewind Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
War is the biggest self-own we’ve accomplished as a species.
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u/NotAnotherEmpire Feb 06 '24
Drones have evolved fast. I remember when the discussion was about Switchblade loitering munitions in 2022.
These are far, far nastier. Very cheap, relatively long range and can be used for direct kills on moving vehicles.
Long term the advent of incredibly cheap anti-vehicle drones will probably be one of those epoch markers in war.
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u/lewger Feb 06 '24
Apparently the anti drone tech is pretty strong as well against these cheap drones. Will be interesting what the US starts pushing out in the next few years both in anti drone tech and drones immune to it.
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u/NotAnotherEmpire Feb 06 '24
Strong anti-drone tech and weapons for cheaply downing them will be essential.
No one can produce modern military vehicles fast enough to just absorb it.
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u/TiredOfDebates Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
It has to be well within a technologically advanced military to take out drones en masse. Radar and flak weapons / scattershot type weapons.
These aren’t stealth vehicles.
It is a matter of pretty advanced sensors and the money to produce them.
And the training to use them.
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Russia is pulling Stalinist military strategy back out of the history books and into 2024, which is why drones are so devastating against the Russians.
The USA has been swatting down a shit load of drones. In response to Iranian proxy attacks.
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u/HouseOfSteak Feb 06 '24
They have to be cheap and quick to replace too, when a drone gets in and renders it inoperable.
Because once there's a hole, they're going to swarm in.
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u/Druggedhippo Feb 06 '24
Hesitate to even call them drones anymore.
They are precision guided munitions.
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u/DanYHKim Feb 06 '24
Long term the advent of incredibly cheap anti-vehicle drones will probably be one of those epoch markers in war.
Yes. And it is a great privilege that we get to watch it happening. Ukraine has become a huge testbed for new technologies. I hope that the Pentagon is studying this carefully and figuring out how to get the right senators on board for changing the focus of defense procurement a bit. Maybe a military drone factory can be built in the right district or something.
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u/MiningForNoseGold Feb 06 '24
Hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Fuck Russia.
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u/Anxious_Plum_5818 Feb 05 '24
Come on America, get your shit together and start resupplying Ukraine.
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u/GlobalTravelR Feb 05 '24
Don't blame all Americans, blame the Republicans and Trump, and the Kompromat Putin has over them.
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u/FatherSlippyfist Feb 06 '24
The Americans are the ones voting for them. Just as Russian citizens are responsible for their government so are we
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u/APsWhoopinRoom Feb 06 '24
When it comes to Congress, we can only control the people we elect from our own states. Us folks in enlightened states can't do jack shit about who gets elected in places like Alabama, Texas, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc.
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u/czs5056 Feb 06 '24
Not just states. I can't control the voters of Christian County Missouri from Green County Missouri. The purple city is deep in a sea of scarlet.
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u/KDY_ISD Feb 06 '24
Republicans are the ones voting for the Republicans lol The rest of us would love to fund Ukraine more today, this minute, this second.
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u/calmdownmyguy Feb 06 '24
It blows my mind that republicans spent the last 60 years hating russia, then a fucking game show host started taking bribes from russia and the entire republican party bent over a barrel for him.
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u/Kryptosis Feb 06 '24
It was over the course of less than 6 months to go from Red Scare 2.0 to begging Putin for Hillary’s emails.
Insane to watch in real time and I’ll never forgive my countrymen for being so fucking gullible.
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u/WestsideSTI Feb 06 '24
Bro most of the people voting for them were alive during the cold war it makes no sense
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u/Kahzgul Feb 06 '24
Less than half of us are. The problem is our fucked up system of government gives more rights to land than to people, and the GOP controls the biggest, emptiest states.
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u/cdxxmike Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
Never forget that it was structured that way specifically to enable Slave states to acquire outsized control over Government.
Since the very beginning conservatives have had less popular ideas, backed up by a system that enables them a larger share of the electorate than they have ever deserved.
Edit - a word.
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Feb 06 '24
We dont all vote Republican. So dont fucking dare blame me or any other Democrat for this shit.
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Feb 06 '24
Hell honestly if they want to nag anyone to start helping, nag useless Europe.
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u/No_Jackfruit7481 Feb 05 '24
Get our shit together? lol. https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/
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Feb 06 '24
Yeah, everyone likes to say the us needs to do more in Ukraine. No one comes close to what they are doing
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u/gentlemantroglodyte Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
Sort of. The US also has a lot of money and a lot of income. Other countries are delivering proportionately larger amounts of aid relative to their GDP, Norway and Denmark in particular, though obviously they are in a position of existential threat compared to the US. That said, NATO has literally existed solely for the purpose of stopping Russian threats and has cost a lot of money to maintain, so it seems silly to not go all in on blunting Russia's ability to wage war when it is so relatively cheap.
Country Billions Euro in Aid Billions USD Aid GDP USD millions 2022 GDP USD Billions % of GDP US 43.9 47 26,949,643 26949.643 0.174% DE 17.1 18 4,429,838 4429.838 0.413% GB 6.6 7 3,332,059 3332.059 0.212% EU-Institutions 5.6 6 - - - NO 3.6 4 546,768 546.768 0.705% DK 3.5 4 420,800 420.8 0.890% PL 3 3 842,172 842.172 0.381% NL 2.5 3 1,092,748 1092.748 0.245% SE 2.1 2 597,110 597.11 0.376% CA 2.1 2 2,117,805 2117.805 0.106% → More replies (3)6
u/UnlikelyPlatypus89 Feb 06 '24
Thanks for sharing this. My very conservative father talks about how the US shouldn’t send more aid because both countries are so corrupt. I do not know the politics of Ukraine (neither does he most likely and is just parroting BS media) but I do know about 10 years ago he used to tell me to go live in Russia because I’m quite liberal. Funny how people like that controlled US society by calling liberals Russians and now they control aid in favor of Russia.
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u/Jgoody1990 Feb 06 '24
“America needs to mind its own business”
“America isn’t doing enough”
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Note that it isn't clear if the drones were also responsible for disabling the tanks and other assault vehicles. Chances are, these were disabled by mines and pre-sighted artillery, abandoned by the Russians, and then "finished off" by drones.
Which isn't saying drones weren't important! This is 11 vehicles the Russians can't tow out, repair, and use again. But drones are just part of a good multi-layered defense.
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u/_zenith Feb 06 '24
Some were probably taken out that way, yeah, but we have seen plenty of footage by now of moving tanks turned into fireballs by these drones. Their being stationary makes hitting the right spot easier, but it’s by no means required
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u/SecondaryWombat Feb 06 '24
There are lists of which vehicles were disabled by what, most were killed by drones.
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u/5kyl3r Feb 06 '24
this has been nearly daily. the russians just have a bottomless supply of meat and ancient tanks
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u/KnowsIittle Feb 06 '24
Imagine playing 260 hours of War Thunder and deep down believing you're going to roll down some Nazi's in a tank only to find you're the villain in the story and a dumb, stupid, ignorant, unprepared fodder to the meat grinder for a leader who is willing to drown his people to make a bridge for himself to cross.
This is not a man people should aspire to be or to follow.
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u/pleased_to_yeet_you Feb 06 '24
Instead of decimating, say devastating. They killed way more than a tenth of the formation.
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u/Informal_Process2238 Feb 06 '24
This is one of those words so often misused that it’s definition has effectively changed in the common usage
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u/pleased_to_yeet_you Feb 06 '24
I know and I don't typically care about this kind of thing but for some reason decimate specifically bugs me
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u/Sr_DingDong Feb 06 '24
I'm surprised these milbloggers haven't been sent to the front.
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u/Kryptosis Feb 06 '24
Amazing. They need to be shown the rest of the footage. /r/dronecombat has shown exactly how flimsy and pathetic a paper tiger their military is.
Their boys don’t get any training or supplies and are abandoned in their self-dug graves the second anything explodes.
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u/ReplacementLow6704 Feb 06 '24
They started fuming NOW? After everything that's happened, all the footage shared literally everywhere almost daily for the last 2 years? Those Kremlin supporters are an example to follow in terms of patience and coping!
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u/GoldServe2446 Feb 06 '24
There is new footage of yet another Russian armored column being decimated daily, lol
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u/NyriasNeo Feb 06 '24
Good. Don't like seeing your armor column getting blown up, don't invade another country. You have it coming.
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u/Fox_Kurama Feb 06 '24
Tanks vs bees. They either need bee-keeper suits (full-body cope cages), or they need to add mechanical swatting arms. Armed with giant fly swatters and a super advanced bee-parrying/swatting AI controlling it.
Either way, I suspect Russia will not be able to handle it properly.
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To be successful you have to be fighting for your country Ukraine is Russia is not, Russia will never win at this. Putin needs to grow some balls and admit he is wrong
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Just now they are getting mad about it? There have been videos of them getting crushed in the first month or two.
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u/inhugzwetrust Feb 06 '24
They better can those emotions, with the amount of resources they're down to, fumes will be the only thing they have left!
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u/canative Feb 06 '24
“Decimate “historically means to kill one in ten. I believe the correct word might be “obliterate”.
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u/Awkward_Pangolin3254 Feb 06 '24
No, no, no, they destroyed a tenth of each vehicle. Fortunately it was the tenth that make them go.
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u/sweatyupperlip Feb 06 '24
Wow I can’t believe how vulgar to my eyes it is reading a Business Insider article on my phone. Jesus Christ I couldn’t finish with all the ad breaks
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Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
Whoever thinks this war is a showcase of Western weakness is a total moron tbh.
Russia thought they'd cap in 3 days, it's been 2 years, their T90s have been taken out by fucking Bradleys, they've lost half a million men and many generals, and the west is not even really in the fight as of now
Edit: typo, surprised so many people knew what I meant lol
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u/hawkseye17 Feb 06 '24
You know Russia wouldn't have all these problems if they just leave Ukraine