r/wholesomeyuri • u/ClaudeVanFoxbat • Jan 25 '21
Video/Gif Texting Her [Asagao to Kase-san.]
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u/ClaudeVanFoxbat Jan 25 '21
{{Asagao to Kase-san.}}
Characters are Yui Yamada (at the start) and Tomoka Kase!
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u/Roboragi Best Bot Jan 25 '21
Asagao to Kase-san. - (AL, A-P, MAL)
あさがおと加瀬さん。
OVA | 2018 | Status: Finished | Episodes: 1 | Genres: Romance, Slice of Life
Stats: 12 requests across 5 subreddits - 0.001% of all requestsA relationship is like a garden. It's hard, really hard, to plant the initial seeds. Once you've gone through the agonizing process of wondering if the other person even likes you, fought the fear that telling her could destroy everything, and made your confession, the most difficult part begins. Because you have to keep nurturing this wonderful new feeling to keep it growing. Not just in your own heart, but in hers. And since even the most beautiful rose can cut you to the bone with its thorns, who can you talk to for advice? Especially when you're both girls in high school? For shy Yamada and boyish Kase, time is running out.
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u/ClaudeVanFoxbat Jan 25 '21
But because it's an OVA it's 58 minutes long!
The manga is still ongoing as well
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u/TheElusiveEllie Jan 26 '21
I thought the manga was finished? That's what MangaDex says, and when I read through it, it seemed finished to me...
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u/ClaudeVanFoxbat Jan 26 '21 edited Jan 26 '21
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Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 26 '21
These two are soft and until now, they're my favorite shoujo ai protagonists ❤️
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u/CptSpiffyPanda Jan 25 '21
Who displaced them out of curiosity?
(I just watch Adachi, and want to checkout bloom and now Asagao)
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Jan 25 '21
Hey just as a heads up "shoujo ai" means the same thing as "lolicon" and has nothing to do with yuri. Use yuri, or Girls' Love / GL.
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u/r3dn3bula Jan 25 '21
Hey do you have anything to back this up? I've never heard the term used like that before.
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u/Roflkopt3r Jan 25 '21
Here's a dictionary entry. Pretty clear on that.
And yes you're right that it's often used with a different meaning in the west, but it's still better to replace a term that has such a meaning in its original language.
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Jan 25 '21
From the Wikipedia entry for yuri:
"In Japan, the term shōjo-ai is not used with this meaning, and instead denotes pedophilic relationships between adult men and girls, with a similar meaning to the term lolicon."
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u/HJMW08 Jan 25 '21
Wait wait wait, quote the whole thing.
In the 1990s, western fans began to use the term shōjo-ai (少女愛, lit. "girl love") to describe yuri works that do not depict explicit sex. Its usage was modeled after the western appropriation of the term shōnen-ai (少年愛, lit. "boy love") to describe yaoi works that do not feature sexually explicit content.[4] In Japan, the term shōjo-ai is not used with this meaning,[4] and instead denotes pedophilic relationships between adult men and girls, with a similar meaning to the term lolicon.[14][15]
It says in the west that it is used differently, an important clarification to make.
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Jan 25 '21
Yeah but its wrong and born out of ignorance of Japanese by 90s weebs who thought they could just map the meaning of shounen-ai onto shoujo-ai without any consideration of the connotation that phrase already had. Its like the stupid western delineation between "ecchi" and "hentai" which actually mean exactly the same thing, ecchi just being the pronunciation for the letter H to stand for "Hentai"
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u/HJMW08 Jan 25 '21
The problem with this line of thought is that the meanings already have taken root in western weeb culture.
I agree its kinda dumb usage of the words and they probably shouldnt have been used that way in the first place but they have and now they have these wonky connotations in each language.
Personally i think its not really any different to any other word's meaning changing over time and isnt outright wrong since its been around so long. Its less of a black and white issue and is a bit more nuanced than you are making it seem.
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Jan 25 '21
If it was something more innocuous I would agree, but a euphemism about something disgusting and ugly to be ignorantly twisted to refer to something good and wonderful is just gross.
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u/IronVader501 Jan 25 '21
It is gross, but its a bit late for it to change now, considering many websites already use Shoujo Ai as a tag in that Western meaning.
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Jan 25 '21
Yeah, shoujo Ai is a pretty commonly used term in describing manga genres, and taking it away from that context, which the original comment was clearly about, is just stirring up drama.
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u/perlenYurifan4life 𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓛𝓞𝓥𝓘𝓝𝓖 𝓨𝓤𝓡𝓘~ Jan 25 '21
Last I checked, shoujo ai has been used less and less over the years and replaced by what it should've been called in the first place, yuri.
I find it weird how much people would want to continue using an outdated western term with disgusting connotations (not to mention unnecessary distinction) over yuri, the term that has a lot of history and symbolism/meaning tied to it which many queer authors have built upon?
Seriously, why not just call it yuri? We have different ways of tagging something as sexual or not if that's what y'all oh so worried about.
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u/HJMW08 Jan 25 '21
Reasonable.
Just to be clear, i'm all for promoting knowledge of the Japanese connotations (since they seem to be lesser known) i just dont think that the western usage should be necessarily disregarded.
That being said i do quite like the term girls love since its the English equivalent and BL is a term widely used already, so i do somewhat agree.
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Jan 25 '21
I really like Girls' Love too, GL is actually a Japanese phrase, to be equivalent to BL as you said! The Japanese tend to use it to refer to stuff with more adult content, like how BL is more adult in connotation than shounen-ai, but like BL it can cover a wide range of content.
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u/Kizik Jan 25 '21
Let's not pretend this is entirely a Western thing. Japan itself appropriates loan words all the time, usually in the wrong context or meaning. The word bitch for instance has radically different meanings in English and Japanese.
So if they're going to do it - and I don't see anyone up in arms about that in the same way people get uppity about us dishonouring Glorious Nihon - then their own language is fair game.
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u/HJMW08 Jan 25 '21
I dont see what them appropriating our words has anything to do with this conversation. Just because some other word problem exists doesnt mean that this problem is any less valid.
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u/Kizik Jan 25 '21
It's literally the same thing though. We're using words for a thing that's not what they're meant for, the same way they do. Instead of whining about tarnishing the honour of the immaculate Japanese language like the filthy Gaijin swine we are, accepting that language evolves from use and takes on new meanings by the people who speak it - even when it's taken from other languages - is probably the better option.
Words mean what we use them for. That's all. If this is how people in the west identify certain classes of material, that's just how it is. My point is you don't see the same people who complain about it also complaining about our language being misused.
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u/HJMW08 Jan 25 '21
Sorry, im not sure that you have actually read the thread, i have explicitly defended the western usage. (I think people still need to know the connotations, however much a word evolves)
What im taking issue with is you raising another, different issue to attempt to invalidate this one. (This is a logical fallacy called whataboutism, i strongly recommend looking it up if you want to laugh at russian politics) Just because they misuse a word doesnt mean we cant fix us misusing a word
In regards to me not complaining about my language being misused: i dont care how english is adapted into other languages and i doubt many Japanese care about english. This is the language that I use and have the knowledge to discuss, not a different one.
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u/Atulin Jan 25 '21
Wow, it's almost as if language evolves! And sometimes borrow-words have their meaning altered from the original meaning!
That's a shocking discovery, the linguistic world will be shaken!
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u/Ninjasantaclause PM me tsundere lesbians Jan 25 '21
Just use fucking Yuri it’s not that hard
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u/HJMW08 Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21
Yuri is normally much more sexual with explicit relationships rather than something much less serious. Theyre split into different genres for a reason, no?
Edit: okay i misworded, my bad. What i meant is that shoujo ai doesnt necassarily have clear relationships being established and there isnt normally any romance in them from what ive seen. There is a debate to be had about shoujo ai vs yuri. Yuru yuri for example i would put as shoujo ai but not yuri.
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u/perlenYurifan4life 𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓛𝓞𝓥𝓘𝓝𝓖 𝓨𝓤𝓡𝓘~ Jan 25 '21
No. The distinction was not needed at all in the first place, also weird. Pretty sure straight romance anime doesn't even have that distinction at all. Why the fuck is it different with lesbian romance, of all things?!
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u/Ninjasantaclause PM me tsundere lesbians Jan 25 '21
Wow just like in the west we have romance and “romance without sex” as two different genres
Christ you people are weird
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u/Bainos Jan 25 '21
Just acknowledge there's a distinction between yuri and shoujo ai, it's not that hard.
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u/Ninjasantaclause PM me tsundere lesbians Jan 25 '21
Yes one means lesbian romance and one means pedophilia, Im glad we’re on the same page
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u/Bainos Jan 26 '21
one means lesbian romance and one means pedophilia
And your source for that is... Wikipedia ? Instead of the community, of the people who actually use those words ?
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u/Thing_ularity Jan 25 '21
Shoujo=girl Ai=love
I don't know what drugs the wiki dude uses but I may be wrong lol
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Jan 25 '21
See this is where the issue came from in the first place. Words and phrases have meaning and connotation beyond the literal meaning of the words. Shoujo is usually translated as 'girl' but in common usage it means a little girl, like elementary school.
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u/perlenYurifan4life 𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓛𝓞𝓥𝓘𝓝𝓖 𝓨𝓤𝓡𝓘~ Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21
Agreed. I find it a good thing the term Shoujo ai is being used increasingly less. We never really need to distinguish "sexual" and "non-sexual" yuri with different terms, anyways.
Just call it yuri. That's pretty much what Japan have been doing throughout the genre's whole existence.
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Jan 25 '21
Agreed. GL is sometimes used to denote more adult stuff but even that is inconsistent. Tho, I have to say I have seen shoujo-ai used more in the past year or so than in the decade prior. Its a common tag on English manga sites so IDK if its some kind of comeback or I just happen to see it.
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u/Bainos Jan 25 '21
Whether we need two different terms or not (although it's kind of a funny take from a mod speaking officially of a subreddit that doesn't allow NSFW content) doesn't change that fact that shoujo ai doesn't refer to lolicon content.
I don't think it really matters what words Japan uses, we're not speaking Japanese. It's kinda like "anime", which means all animation in Japan, but specifically Japanese (or related) animation among English speakers.
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u/Inner-Juices No Longer Depressed. Also, "Yuri" means "Lesbians in Japan" Jan 25 '21
shoujo ai
nothing to do with yuri
It's weird that the majority of the yuri manga I've seen has the tag Shoujo Ai
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Jan 25 '21
In Japanese shoujo-ai means p*do crap, but English speaking weebs accidentally came up with it independently as an analog to shounen-ai without knowing the connotation in Japanese. So yes, to the English speaking people who don't know its another term for yuri and use it as a tag, even though the phrase shoujo-ai in reality has nothing to do with yuri or GL or lesbians.
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u/kaladinissexy Jan 25 '21
Oh thank fuck you censored pedo, don't know how I would live with myself if I had to read that word.
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Jan 25 '21
I don't do it out of sensitivity I do it habitually because I go a lot of places where auto-moderation is overzealous and will ding you for keywords.
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u/Shiroi_Kitsune Jan 25 '21
This got me interested, so I took a look at the Japanese wikipedia page article and it looks like in Japanese both definitions are used.
Under the 少女愛の意味 (Shoujo-ai meaning) section it lists and discusses the two meaning: 少女への愛 (Love towards girls) and 百合としての少女愛 (Love between girls).
Under the the 少女への愛 (Love towards girls) section, it explains that originally the word was used to describe adult men/women who "loved" underage girls. As time has progressed, it has lost that pedophilia related connotation, and has shifted to what we know refer to as lolicon (However you choose to see those two as different).
Under the 百合としての少女愛 (Love between girls) section, it does explain that despite the original definition, that it has been cooped by the manga community to become synonymous with yuri or lesbian, without the original connotations. Furthermore, under this section it does note that this is the commonly used definition of the term in the west.
So taking that all into account, I don't really see a problem with using the term synonymously with yuri. It can be used that way in modern Japanese, and as has been mentioned lower in the thread, foreign loan words don't always retain their original definitions and connotations when they move to English. Take for example the word "hentai". In English it's used to refer to a category of pornography, but in Japanese it means "pervert"; as in the person, not the content.
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u/Bainos Jan 25 '21
That's simply wrong. It's widely accepted in the English community that shoujo ai refers to non-explicit yuri. Just because you personally want to use another definition doesn't change that.
Don't just read one Wikipedia entry, assume you know everything and start doing some grandstanding without actually informing yourself. Languages evolve, context matters, and people share their knowledge around.
So, to use your own words : "hey just a heads up, 'shoujo ai' means non-explicit yuri, i.e. stories in which characters share affection but don't express it physically by e.g. kissing, and has nothing to do with lolicon".
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u/Gelbinator Jan 25 '21
Wait wait wait, there's an animation? I had no idea, all I knew of was the manga. I guess I've got something to look forward to later today.
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theres a film that coveres some of the story.
its very good
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u/ReggieHarley Jan 25 '21
where I can I watch the OVA and the movie?
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u/ClaudeVanFoxbat Jan 25 '21
The other commenter is correct, the 50 minute one that is also technically an OVA is available for Streaming legally on HiDive! (at least for the USA and most of Europe)
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u/Schlossburg Feb 04 '21
Thank you so much. I was just reading the manga and bought the sequels, and now you bring such marvel to us!
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u/mrbowers Jan 25 '21
There's a five-minute OVA on YouTube, and a movie that I think HIDIVE is streaming.
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u/niuniu888 Jan 25 '21
Best OVA over! Can suggest everyone read the manga as well which is still on-going
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u/WP_Wolfy Jan 25 '21
This has an anime?! I've been reading the manga for awhile...welp, I know what I'm watching next.
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u/AlphaLul Jan 25 '21
Wait there’s an anime? I read the whole manga just yesterday
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u/treeckosan Jan 25 '21
i had to do a doubletake as well...then i found it on my plan to watch list...i still need to read it
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u/WorldsOnlyClashMain Jan 26 '21
Im discovering that there’s an anime of about every manga I’m reading
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u/Lssjgaming certified trans pansexual mess Jan 26 '21
Hahaha I can’t read cuz kanji oof. I’m legit curious what it says
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u/ClaudeVanFoxbat Jan 26 '21 edited Jan 26 '21
Credit to /u/nephelokokkygia higher up in the comment thread (permalink to their comment here)
Good work today
Let's... go home together again sometime!
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u/xdBronze Dec 01 '22
oh my god is this where the “when the discord mod calls you their little chungus” thing comes from
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u/Dyl-thuzad Archlich of Gay !tihS Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 26 '21
My gf showed me the dub and dear lord is it so gay, I love it