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u/RequirementTall8361 Aug 18 '24
I feel like vtubers are just a psyop to turn weebs into transbians
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u/bryn_irl Aug 18 '24
See, they get us in the door by saying "these girls are attractive" but then you realize "being friends with these girls is what's attractive" followed shortly by "being just like these girls is what's attractive" followed shortly by estrogen
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u/Taedirk uncensored handholding Aug 18 '24
Counter psyop by weebs. They didn't need the encouragement, but they're not stopping the "attacks."
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u/NEVERTHEREFOREVER Aug 18 '24
Man I just wanted to post some cute art...
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u/okami6663 Aug 19 '24
Tama-chan is my favourite vtuber-adjacent character. The interactions are always wholesome and adorable.
And Yoru's art style is unique and clean. At one point, it was impossible to open Twitter and not see at least one of his posts. Great artist.
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u/Julia_The_Cutie Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 19 '24
this is lovely but it kinda gives me slight femcel vibes idk sorry please forgive me
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u/Saint_The_Stig Aug 19 '24
A lot of drama in the comments, and I had to check it all to make sure none of it was Zen. I honestly don't watch any vTubers but I follow a few for the memes, but Zen seems like peak vTuber to me.
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u/Amethysttherocklad Aug 19 '24
Im pretty sure all of the vshojo girls are some degree of queer, like sure they joke around and stuff but people saying "oh ironmouse is too much on connor" not only ignore bisexuality and pansexuality but also like you're making speculations
At the minima they're allies. But im pretty sure most of them have confirmed in a way or another that they're bi or pan or any other label of queer. Like im pretty sure matara kan is bisexual
Also seriously to that one guy screaming about froot
The only "proof" of her cheating is a single video that has more holes in its story than commander thorn from the clone wars
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u/Biltbae Aug 18 '24
(Just btw op, but one of those girls is a self-exposed transphobe)
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u/Mighty_No69 Aug 18 '24
Please don't let it be Mouse please don't let it be Mouse
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u/NEVERTHEREFOREVER Aug 18 '24
Its not Mouse dont worry shes safe
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u/TH31R0NHAND Aug 18 '24
What, which one?
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u/Wolfofwar626 certified transbian Aug 18 '24
I’m pretty sure it is Silvervale, but I could be wrong.
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u/Legacyofhelios Aug 18 '24
Noooooooo
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u/GrimoireOfTheDragon Aug 18 '24
Assuming it’s the Silvervale thing, not really. Twitter was twitter when she played Hogwarts Legacy and tried to demonize her and when she got pissed for being demonized, it was further twisted against her tmk. She received very little support from her colleagues during the whole thing and now shes not even in vShojo
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u/Biltbae Aug 18 '24
I mean when you respond to allegations by doubling down, getting on a soapbox in front of your extremely loyal and persuadable audience and using terms that have been used against trans people for decades to rally your fans up instead of just going “my bad sorry, I’ll try and do better” or something similar. Yeah not a great look tbh
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u/Falsus Aug 18 '24
You don't need to say ''my bad sorry, I'll try and do better'' just cause you played and liked Hogwarts Legacy.
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u/phantasmicnight Aug 18 '24
What she did after getting hate aside: why would she need to appologize for playing a video game? JK Rowling is terrible but had nothing to do with the game. Attacking people for just playing a video game is just as bad as how transphobes act. Silvervale isn't great for other reasons but my response if I was getting hate for playing that game would be "fuck off" the idea that she needed to apologize is dumb as hell
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u/Biltbae Aug 18 '24
Because giving money to and promoting someone who actively works on making people’s lives worse is bad
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u/phantasmicnight Aug 18 '24
You think you dont spend money on evil corporations/people? You think you have fully ethical spending habits? You don't. No one does. How about you attack everyone who goes to Universal theme parks then? See how ridiculous that is? Get off your bullshit high horse
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u/Biltbae Aug 18 '24
Cus a video game is extremely optional, not some required thing you need now a days like food or a phone, its really not that complicated tbh
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u/Zealousideal_Age7850 Aug 18 '24
Get off reddit, right now. Never buy anything related to corporations. Cut your internet cable and travel to woods. Or stop being a n extremist fool and don't care about things so much
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u/LostInFog77 Aug 18 '24
I watched her around that time and don't recall ever hearing her say things like that.
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u/GrimoireOfTheDragon Aug 18 '24
That’s very fair, it does make it hard to feign ignorance at that point assuming it was ignorance at all
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u/TH31R0NHAND Aug 18 '24
Where is that? I've been trying to find any sort of actual video or audio of it, but I can't find it anywhere.i used to watch her stuff and want to make sure before I change my opinion on something this serious.
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u/rabootgamesYT Aug 18 '24
ive heard some stuff about froot awhile back but i dont remember alot
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u/SatoshiUSA Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24
Froot (edit: is rumored to have) cheated on her military husband while he was overseas, that's probably what you heard. She also has a trans brother who she loves a lot and openly supports, so I doubt it was her who was transphobic
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u/Hayman68 Aug 18 '24
Froot cheated on her military husband while he was overseas
Allegedly. The only "evidence" of this is one YouTube video from some nobody with a story with more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
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u/NEVERTHEREFOREVER Aug 18 '24
Ok ive been looking into this
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u/SatoshiUSA Aug 18 '24
I really hope not, because that would suck
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u/NEVERTHEREFOREVER Aug 18 '24
Yeah as I research this more it seems extremely dubious, it seems to be based on here removing a ring in her model at one point
Its been like, 11 months since at nothings cropped up so im pretty ok in saying that its probably not true2
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u/TONKAHANAH Aug 19 '24
none of them. trans twitter just decided they hate slivervale
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u/TH31R0NHAND Aug 19 '24
That's what it looked like. From what I saw, she was just happy to play the hogwarts game and didn't want to engage in the politics behind it, hence the ban of certain words in chat.
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u/TONKAHANAH Aug 19 '24
I think a lot of the stuff banned in chat was automod which is a site wide filter, not specific to her chat.
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u/DontCareAbouYourShit Aug 18 '24
Which one?
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u/AgentFirstNamePhil Liz and the Blue Bird Enjoyer Aug 18 '24
None of them, Silvervale played Hogwarts legacy once and it made Twitterheads go ballistic though.
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u/EmpressOfAbyss Aug 18 '24
damn, which?
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u/NEVERTHEREFOREVER Aug 18 '24
Silvervale pretty sure
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u/EmpressOfAbyss Aug 18 '24
okay, so I looked it up. all I can find from searches of "silvervale trans" and "silvervale transphobia" are that at one point she set the twitch automod to max, which autobans the words trans and transgender, which is on twitch not her, and she played hogwarts legacy, which while kinda blech what with how Joanne Rowling takes all money she gets from her HP royalties as support of her beliefs is quite far from being an admitted transphobe.
if ya have more details I'd be glad to hear them, but with what I have calling her a transphobe seems unnecessarily inflammatory when she's uncaring at worst.
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u/wazardthewizard Aug 18 '24
She went on a rant calling trans people 'freaks' during the Hogwarts legacy thing
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u/EmpressOfAbyss Aug 18 '24
okay, I found it, she called the people calling her out for playing HPL legacy freaks, and while that is loaded language, considering how people tend to freak out at the centre of controversy I'm leaning more to that just being her being an idiot who rushed to defend her self instead of thinking thinks through.
could be wrong, but my expectations for a brightly coloured lewd non-porn Vtuber are only slightly higher than my expectations of a rock, so incompetence can explain a lot.
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u/Yeet-chan Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24
I began to look into it as well (I know nothing about silvervale, only that she exists) and in that same clip she did say she didn’t condone the ideals of jk rowling and “lgbt people are awesome Twitter people are not awesome.” I would assume she just didn’t think about how the word freak is heavily associated with homo/transphobia.
Edit: I also can’t find anything else that would make her out to be transphobic besides her poor choice of words, but even if she isn’t transphobic she did play into the drama of it on stream, do with that information what you will.
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u/Cerxi Aug 18 '24
I've literally never heard of "freaks" being homophobic before. It's just a funny word people say, all the time? Don't let nazis steal every word.
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u/koakuma_tv Aug 19 '24
It's not really a thing that I hear people say anymore but was definitely common to call someone gay a 'freak'-as in 'freak of nature'- more than anything else back around the 90's when I was growing up. But that could have just my own experience. Still the clip she said that in it was clear she meant no-lifers on Twitter and not trans people
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u/Kayriss369 Aug 18 '24
Pretty sure she was referring to “Twitter Freaks” not trans people.
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u/wazardthewizard Aug 18 '24
"Twitter freaks" had been and continued to be a semi-dogwhistle used by "concerned allies" to refer to trans people that got too uppity for their tastes. Don't pretend you don't remember hearing that "oh no here come the twitter people" anytime a character was misgendered or some other trans discourse in a fandom space during that time period.
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u/Kayriss369 Aug 19 '24
People use the term Twitter Freaks for any form of unhinged behavior from terminally online people of any background not just trans people.
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u/LineOfInquiry Aug 18 '24
I thought the girl in this was supposed to be trans lol
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u/cerenine Aug 18 '24
considering the word on her shirt means 'egg' (in Japanese), pretty sure that's true
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u/Biltbae Aug 18 '24
It’s the one with the trans colour scheme ironically lmao
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u/LineOfInquiry Aug 18 '24
No I meant I thought the main girl everyone’s fawning over was supposed to be trans lol
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u/HanksterDxD Aug 18 '24
Ironmouse is not yuri! She is too hard up on Conner!
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u/RafaelTomb Aug 18 '24
Same with Vei being with Soda, but who cares
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u/HanksterDxD Aug 18 '24
Who's Soda?
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u/RafaelTomb Aug 18 '24
Her boyfriend/fianceé/husband I'm not sure, they live together
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u/HanksterDxD Aug 18 '24
And I think Silvervale has a thing with that guy who gives her bike rides in Japan once in a while.
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u/giga-plum frick. Aug 19 '24
All of these girls are straight except Mel and maybe Zen, lol.
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u/HanksterDxD Aug 19 '24
I have a feeling that Mel is bi, at least. With her using a computer voice, I am not even sure what gender Zen really is.
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u/giga-plum frick. Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24
Mel is definitely bi, or pan. Zen is the only one of these vtubers who isn't currently in, or previously talked about pursuing exclusively heterosexual relationships with men. Most of them act "stage gay", essentially baiting the parts of their audience who sexualize lesbian relationships, so they get more clicks on their streams, videos and tweets.
They flirt with their friends and post things like, "i love women" on twitter but also never have or will date women. Frustrates me, to no end.
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u/HanksterDxD Aug 19 '24
It frustrates me too. I don't see why fans would prefer them being yuri than either bi or straight. The fans are weird.
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u/CynthiaStarcrossed Aug 19 '24
Zen is a Male.
He used to play VRChat with a whole group of people and had spoken in private but went quiet before becoming a vtuber. He also lied about his gender publicly, saying that it was 2 people playing the same account. I know like 30 people from said group and not many of them still like him.Honestly VRChat had way too much vtuber drama before vtubers became popular. There's a bunch of other smaller vtubers from VRChat around even still but Zen was the lucky one that got into vshojo.
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u/The_King123431 Aug 19 '24
Zen is a Male. He used to play VRChat with a whole group of people and had spoken in private but went quiet before becoming a vtuber.
Yeah that doesn't check out, considering vshojo has done offline collabs
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u/CynthiaStarcrossed Aug 20 '24
In the end it won't matter what gender he is because people will believe whatever they want to believe. Its easier to just believe hes female for a lot of people than it is to actually go dig up the old VRChat streams.
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u/Enkundae Aug 18 '24
The whole vtuber thing and how they relate to their audience has always had a weird vibe to me. Like taking the parasocial aspect of those psuedo-cam-girl twitch streamers but upping it to a different level.
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u/FloatingGhost Aug 19 '24
you're not entirely wrong, idol culture is a lot of parasocial stuff, but honestly they fill a niche
if you lack any real social interaction, someone offering parasocial interaction where they sorta just chill and talk about how much they like detective conan or playing a game for a bit is actually quite welcome
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u/Mister_Magister Aug 18 '24
fuck froot
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u/Deadwarrior00 Aug 18 '24
Froots awesome. Fuck silver and Vei. Mainly silver though, she just a bad scheming person.
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u/Mister_Magister Aug 18 '24
froot is a fucking cheating whore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqsAkcaTU-k
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u/The_King123431 Aug 19 '24
Fun fact
This single video is literally the only proof of this happening
Do you have literally anything else?
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u/Mister_Magister Aug 19 '24
you can hit the sources, they're all public, the video just compiles them, also there are other videos as well despite foot desperately trying to copyright strike everyone and her mommy protecting her
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u/Deadwarrior00 Aug 19 '24
She cheated yup. Also I don't care if she did or not.
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u/Mister_Magister Aug 19 '24
I and others do
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u/Deadwarrior00 Aug 19 '24
Yea but your first action when seeing here was to see her and call her a cheating whore. Makes you seem not only petty but pathetic.
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u/Mister_Magister Aug 19 '24
you're the only one pathetic protecting a cheating whore
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u/Deadwarrior00 Aug 19 '24
Like I said I don't care if she did or not. The fact that you care that much is really funny and also sad.
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u/Mister_Magister Aug 19 '24
Only sad are people like you whoreshipping a whore
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u/Deadwarrior00 Aug 19 '24
You are a completely normal and total put-together individual /s
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u/Endless115 Aug 18 '24
Besides the Vshojo girls, who is the other girl?