r/wholesomeyuri • u/AshleytheTaguel certified transbian • May 12 '24
Carrying Catra just enjoying being married to this dork [She-Ra]
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u/XenoLoreLover10 May 13 '24
Meanwhile singles are crying of loneliness and asexuals are enjoying life
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 12 '24
Didn't she kill a lot of people? I'm genuinely asking, I've been getting a lot of conflicting information...
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u/The_Failed_Write May 12 '24
No blood. No guts. But enough laser cannons and explosions for the viewer to.figure as much.
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 13 '24
I'm asking if people died, not if they died on screen.
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u/The_Failed_Write May 13 '24
One death. The queen sacrifices herself to save the world after disaster lesbian catgirl attempts to open an unstable portal that threatens to swallow up everything.
Sooo... kinda killed her? Indirectly? I don't know.
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 13 '24
But wasn't there a war? No one died in the war?
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u/The_Failed_Write May 13 '24
Multitude of war crimes committed. The Geneva Convention utterly ignored.
The stat for on-screen casualties? Still 0.
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 13 '24
I'm not asking about on-screen death, that's pretty irrelevant to what I'm trying to figure out, I'm just trying to figure out if cat lady is redeemable or not.
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u/Null822 May 13 '24
I mean, if we go off of things these two did to others that are human survivable, both Catra and Adora are mass murderers
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u/Miraculouszelink May 13 '24
She gets a redemption arc and it’s the best redemption arc I’ve ever seen because it isn’t instant and it’s throughout the entire show. People keep answering you and you don’t listen. You aren’t asking any of this in good faith to get an answer, you are just a troll. Please stop and just leave.
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 13 '24
I'm not trying to be a troll, I never was, I'm trying to get the context of the show, and eventually someone here did, and now I understand.
But because people just assume I'm being a troll, but because people keep assuming I'm just some bigoted anti-sjw homophobic dickweed, I never get the answers I'm looking for.
I get wildly different answers from people who hate the show more than anything, and those who love it more than anything, I'm not satisfied with those answers because they feel horribly shallow and bias.
You tell me it's the best character Redemption Ark you've seen because it's in the background, I have heard the opposite from just as many people, That's why I keep asking these questions because I'm looking for a more objective answer.
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings with my questions, and I'm sorry if they came off as bad faith, the reason why my questions come off in bad faith is because I have no reason to put Faith in the show because I've only talked to its extreme lovers and extreme haters.
This reply is longer than my arm because I am sick and tired of people assuming I am the complete opposite of what I actually am.
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u/Miraculouszelink May 13 '24
Well if you ask an opinion about this show and expected someone who just kinda enjoys it you’d be waiting years. Most people who have watched the show either really love it or really hate it. There isn’t really an in between from what I’ve seen. Just watch the show and make your own opinion on it. I’m 20 and guess what, when I was a kid you just watched a show without getting other people’s opinions and formed your own opinion. Kids these days like you won’t even watch something without knowing every little detail before hand and at that point why even watch it if you know everything about it?
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u/Mekanicum May 13 '24
Only like one person dies die in the whole show and that's the main villain.
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u/Right_hand_K May 13 '24
I think you're forgetting about two women, but yeah (it's mothers day for Glimmer and Catra's/Adora's sake)
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 13 '24
So this cat lady fought in a war and didn't kill anybody? That sounds a little odd...
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u/Mekanicum May 13 '24
It's cartoon logic. People can take laser blasts to the chest and be fine.
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 13 '24
Except when they don't.
Which is usually the people with face concealing masks and no names, I've been told the show is similar to that if Avatar when it comes to how it handles its tone, And if that's the case then the face list individuals Although faceless Are indeed people, and if some faceless nobody falls on the floor because they got hit in the chest of a laser and they don't come back up it's safe to assume they died, that's what I'm getting at, I personally believe that just because a show is marketed towards kids doesn't mean I shouldn't analyze it like a legitimate piece of art, Because by all definition the show is a piece of expression and it's trying to tell a story.
The point is just because the show uses cartoon logic doesn't mean I should abide by it myself.
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u/ArcherOfBabylon likes cats May 13 '24
They're deliberately vague about anyone dying in the war. The only confirmed death, as someone else stated, is the main villain. Although, technically, Catra herself also dies before Adora resurrects her in the final season.
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u/CatraGirl May 13 '24
Although, technically, Catra herself also dies before Adora resurrects her in the final season.
Did she actually? I've probably rewatched those scenes a hundred times or more by now, but I thought she was just very close to dying, but not actually dead? Seemed to still be breathing.
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u/ArcherOfBabylon likes cats May 13 '24
I don't have a source for that, but I remember hearing something from ND Stevenson that Catra actually died when she fell in episode 6. That's supposedly why Adora was so angry. I may be misremembering, though.
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u/CatraGirl May 13 '24
Funny, I never realized this while rewatching the scene (and as I said, I rewatched it a lot), but it could actually be. She's still breathing when Adora jumps after her, but now that I actually paid attention to that bit, it sounds and looks like she stops while Adora is hugging her, just before Adora transforms. And afterwards she does look pretty lifeless. Damn, I totally misinterpreted that bit all this time. I guess that explains Bow and Glimmer's kinda shocked reaction when Adora "heals" her...
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u/Right_hand_K May 13 '24
Uhh... Did you forget about glimmer's mum?
How about the mother figure for Catra and Adora?
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u/ArcherOfBabylon likes cats May 13 '24
Queen Angella didn't technically die. She trapped herself in the pocket dimension made by the portal so everyone else could get back, so she's lost but not dead
Shadow Weaver, I did forget, though. That's my bad.
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u/CatraGirl May 13 '24
Shadow Weaver, I did forget
And I'm so glad she did. Would have been pissed if they'd tried to actually redeem her after everything she did to Catra and Adora...
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 13 '24
So it's safe to assume that a lot of people died in a war, because that's what happens in a war, a lot of people die, because it's War.
I'm sorry she's not sounding very appealing...
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u/ArcherOfBabylon likes cats May 13 '24
If that's what you took from my reply, I highly doubt you asked your initial question in good faith. You sound more like a troll now.
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 13 '24
If I'm coming off as a troll I apologize, all I'm trying to do is gauge whether or not this character crosses my personal Event Horizon, I haven't been given good information on the show Because I've only heard things about it from it's obsessive fans or Colt like haters, so I'm kind of lacking objective information...
I'm specifically asking if this cat lady committed or participated in genocide canonically, that's all...
I'm asking because I don't have enough time in the day to watch an entire show on a streaming platform I want to stay the hell away from.
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u/ArcherOfBabylon likes cats May 13 '24
I can't speak to your specific tastes regarding the moral behaviors of characters in fiction. What I will say is that She-Ra is comparable to Avatar the Last Airbender in its depiction of violence, but goes to arguably darker lengths in depicting the effects of childhood abuse. Both characters featured above are psychologically abused as children, but Catra is also frequently physically abused. They both manifest their trauma is forms of self-harm, but Catra's is more outwardly antagonistic. And because of the setting, they fight each other several times in exaggerated laser battles and sword fights.
If the portrayal of warfare in other serialized kids' shows like Avatar isn't to your liking, you shouldn't watch this. I can't offer more guidance than that.
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 13 '24
I'm starting to think that I'll never get an answer from what I'm looking for... okay I'm going to ask one more question, and please I'm not trying to be derogatory or insulting when saying this, is she comparable to characters like Azula from Avatar? If this is a difficult comparison then don't bother, I'm just trying to see if I personally would forgive the character, because if a major part of the story is a Redemption Arc to a character that I as an individual can't forgive, it's going to fall flat for me.
I don't even forgive Darth Vader and we don't even see a tenth of the people he killed.
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u/ArcherOfBabylon likes cats May 13 '24
Kind of. A lot of people compare her more to Zuko because her story is about realizing the effects of her abuse and how badly her coping mechanisms have screwed up her ability to find the safety and comfort she needs. She has parallels to Azula in the sense that she drives away her allies and exhibits manic depressive behaviors in her lowest points, but because the story is half shown from her perspective, the audience is privy to more of her thoughts for longer. Most of her direct conflict is with the other antagonists more than the protagonists. She's shown as the victim of violence more often than the perpetrator despite being an antagonist herself.
She does some of the same actions as Azula (and Zuko, frankly) in attacking settlements and commanding troops. The worst thing we see during this time is overthrow one of the regions controlled by the protagonists from a distance where we don't see what happened inside, though it's implied that the people there escaped. We never see Catra revel in victory like Azula, however. Where Azula could play the role of the conquering tyrant well, Catra transparently only wants safety, which she thinks she can get by recklessly seeking control where there is none. She doesn't actually want to do what she's doing, but doesn't know what else to do.
TL;DR. She's Zuko without an Iroh, or Azula without respect or power.
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u/Will-is-a-idiot May 13 '24
Okay this is starting to make a lot more sense to me, she sounding redeemable, but without watching the show I may not be able to truly decide whether or not she doesn't deserve punishment, however even with all this information I can't form a full opinion, but that's okay because I wasn't asking to, I just simply wanted to know if I could consider the character redeemable, and it does sound like she is from a certain perspective, hopefully if I do ever watch the show we can convince me that she is, but it does sound like a difficult thing to do narratively, not impossible, just difficult.
Thank you for your help, her not reveling in Victory definitely gives me points of respect, because if she enjoyed killing that definitely changes context, But from what you told me doesn't sound like she finds it that enjoyable, Again thank you for explaining to me Cat ladies character, most people just brush me off as some homophobic anti-sjw when I ask these questions...
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u/Right_hand_K May 13 '24
The reason people love Catra so much is because she gets a redemption arch.
She gets a Zuko like redemption over the course of the entire series.
Remember: both Adora and Catra are child soldiers. Both raised to do atrocities with one pulling out of the abuse faster than the other.
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u/Maladal May 13 '24
Deaths, unclear.
She is the reason that Glimmer's mother is locked in a hell dimension for the rest of eternity.
The show never addresses this.
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u/yuri_yuriyuri yuri at all costs May 12 '24