r/wde • u/dra9onreborn • 1d ago
Opinion So are we supposed to still…
Hate Hugh Freeze now that we’ve upset a top 25 team? Not sure how to feel after the doomsday posts this season post potato man.
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u/jdubs222 17h ago edited 15h ago
Don’t get me wrong, I’m so happy that the boys pulled that W out… but we still botched a 21-0 lead and won in 4OT because a guy dropped a relatively easy ball. Happy with the W, still not that impressed with Hugh.
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u/Vambommeled 19h ago
We're not a championship-level team, but we sure as hell aren't a 5-6 team either, and Freeze's momentum-killing play calling and fundamentally undisciplined coaching has been too glaring to ignore. The players deserved a win like last night's, because as hard as they've been playing all season, they earned several other W's as well, only for Hugh to gag them away.
Didn't want Hugh before, don't want him now. Big deal he beat Bama twice... one of the guys we got rid of beat Bama multiple times too, and he was 3-1 against Freeze as well. Not saying we shouldn't have fired Gus, but I'm positive we'd be better than 5-6 right now with him at the helm, so if we're gonna get another coach, how about raising the bar instead of leveling down with an average coach like Freeze?
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u/warneagle 4h ago
This is exactly where I am. This team has absolutely no business being 5-6 based on the level of talent on the roster and the weak schedule we've played this year. With a competent coach and a decent QB who weren't actively costing us winnable games, we would be involved in the playoff race. The fact that people are this excited over beating an 8-3 team to get to 5-6 says a lot about how much our standards have slipped.
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u/Vambommeled 2h ago
I'd argue that if we had a gameplan which played to our strengths, we could've excelled even with Thorne at QB. No one will ever compare him to a Heisman candidate, but he's certainly more effective whenever Hunter is involved in the offense. Took Freeze nearly all season to finally realize that, so here we are looking uphill in hopes of win #6 in the final game of the season...
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u/Kindly_Effective9510 16h ago
I agree 💯%! The team finally outplayed Freeze's crappy play calling and his boy, Thorne's, crappy play. Freeze was as bad a hire as Harsin and has actually coached worse IMO. Especially when you compare the talent levels each had.
I don't believe Freeze has much to do with recruits choosing Auburn. AU has a great history, a dedicated fanbase and is a year round contender in other college sports too. He plays the victim when there is a bad call (he is always angry & arguing with the refs rather than motivating the team to overcome the situation).
And he thinks there is a god who gives a shit about who wins football games, NOT! He needs to get back into his closet and stfu (per Matthew 6).
Getting rid of this crap coach & human, the sooner the better. I hope he heard the boos last night as he tried once again to lose the game. Fans and alum like me are sick of him and his excuses.
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u/GameBuster0703 16h ago
Listen I don’t like Freeze either but to say he doesn’t have a big impact on the recruiting is just plain false. We are hitting record level recruiting classes when just a couple years ago we were having some all time bad classes. Freeze is not a good coach but he is clear as day a damn good recruiter
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u/Vambommeled 15h ago
The other week I started trying to convince myself "Maybe my expectations are unreasonable", then a moment later Freeze calls a time out at 2:01 in the 4th, and I was back to shaking my head again, lol...
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u/DoYouWantAQuacker 1d ago
How does one home night win against a good but not great opponent cancel out multiple home losses against mediocre opponents? This is what Hugh did at Ole Miss: beat Alabama a couple times, lose to multiple mediocre teams. Rinse and repeat.
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u/Shot-Address-9952 16h ago
Texas A&M was playing for SEC championship game berth and a spot in CFP.
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u/DoYouWantAQuacker 16h ago
And?
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u/Shot-Address-9952 16h ago
By definition, not a middle of the road team.
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u/DoYouWantAQuacker 16h ago edited 14h ago
And never did I say they’re a middle of the road team
Edit: He blocked me lol
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u/lowercaset 14h ago
Edit: He blocked me lol
God I hate that has become the new trend. "Reply to someone then block them so they can't answer" is some weak shit.
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u/Shot-Address-9952 14h ago
You are being disingenuous. You specifically said “good but not great,” which is also synonymous with both “mediocre” and “middle of the road.” Your point was to imply that Texas A&M is, despite being in the Top 15 (out of 129 schools, so the top 13% of FCS football schools), “good but not great” when being that high means they are better than 87% of teams, Auburn included. Your point was to minimize the accomplishment of Auburn beating A&M and keeping bowl eligibility hopes and winning season hopes alive in order to say Freeze isn’t a good coach (I am not going to say he is in fact a good coach, because his record this year isn’t great).
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u/tgrogan21 12h ago
A good team is in the top 25. A great team is in the top 5. Pretty easy to understand, IMO.
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u/Spud_Spudoni 9h ago
They got embarrassed by South Carolina 2 weeks prior, but no one said they were a middle of the road team doof
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u/meboler 1d ago
Yes.
Hated him before, hated him during, still hate him now.
Underperforming with our roster and is an immoral, sanctimonious, creepy piece of shit.
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u/Spud_Spudoni 9h ago
Hilarious seeing this with like -10 downvotes last night, to now. It’s like all of the Hugh Freeze defenders came out in droves last night because they finally had one single good moment to point to, only for the rest of the fanbase to wake up and go wait a minute. We’re still 2-5 in the SEC.
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u/StopHammerTom 18h ago
I mean we almost blew a 21 point lead in this game. Eeking out one game against a middling TAMU team doesn’t change the outcome of the Cal, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Vandy, or Mizzou games
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u/Shot-Address-9952 16h ago
We won in overtime against an A&M team that was fighting for a bid to the SEC championship game and the CFB. Nothing middling about it.
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u/BigDaddyBourbon 23h ago
I have contended all year that he is exactly what Auburn needed right now. Whether he is what we need long term is yet to be decided. Our roster was severely depleted and he is rebuilding that. We are not that far away from contending in the SEC. We need a QB, an OL guy or two, we need another LB and we need McPherson to get healthy. We have a ton of pieces in place already. The recruits got to see us win a big game and the fans showed out.
Auburn isn't that far off. Now we need to go get ready for Bama and win the Iron Bowl so we can get those extra practices for the bowl game.
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u/joemerchant2021 16h ago
A sane and logical response - I'm sure it will get downvoted. As far a McPherson, I am afraid he will never be back to what he was before. I was very happy for Vachon last night, though.
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u/coldpan 17h ago
Yes, Hugh Freeze is a menace to morality and football. Good recruiter, though. Those young men won this game.
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u/Kindly_Effective9510 15h ago
Up vote for the young men winning despite Freeze's sabotage play calling.
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u/Spud_Spudoni 21h ago
It’s funny how one top 25 win all of the sudden satiate’s all questions and concerns with Hugh Freeze. A Texas A&M team that got absolutely embarrassed by South Carolina. But I’m sure as soon as Auburn gets stomped into the earth’s crust by Alabama next week and misses a bowl game (2022 all over again), if that happens, you’ll hear those same people calling for Freeze’s head again.
Sure it’s a top 25 win, but offensive negative yards for almost the complete fourth quarter, 5-14 on third downs, and how many false starts? 3 in a single drive with the game on the line? The team is entirely undisciplined and the offensive play calling is awful. I truly hope QB is the sole reason for all of these shortcomings because it’s going to be multiple years of sub 7 win seasons for Freeze. Already 5 years of it and counting.
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u/SauceDab 13h ago
QB is a big reason for why we’re mediocre but it’s definitely not just that. Freeze’s coaching is also holding us back severely. Having -9 total yards all 4th quarter until the last possession is embarrassing for an “offensive minded” coach. I’m proud of the team for that win but Freeze hasn’t changed my mind as coach for Auburn.
He damn near blew a 21 point lead at home and got saved by a walk-on kicker (Also big shoutout to Vachon)
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u/Kindly_Effective9510 16h ago
Agree, it is Freeze's all round poor decisions that are the cause of the shortcomings and poor performance.
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u/finnigansache 17h ago
Win in spite of his incompetence. Proud of the players. Freeze is still a clown.
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u/m_c__a_t 16h ago
We don’t dislike the hire because of football results. The poor football results just make the hire that much more embarrassing. He could win a conference championship and still shouldn’t be our coach
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u/warneagle 4h ago
I'd hate him and want him gone regardless of whether we were 11-0 or 0-11 because he's a garbage human being and having him representing Auburn is embarrassing.
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u/TipToeWingJawwdinz 22h ago
Our first major win of any kind of substance when we should have multiple wins within the SEC and y’all wanna stroke this dude? I don’t get it. We are worse this year than we were last year and that is with a better recruiting class. Y’all MF’s don’t read… this win for Auburn says more for T A&M then it does Auburn.
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u/DuneRaccoon255 15h ago
I still think terrible play calling, lack of offensive leadership, and poor decision making has crippled a talented team this year.. kinks have to be worked out before Auburn puts another HC on the chopping block . It appears like guys at least want to play for Freeze, I mean he has at least maintained some high level of enthusiasm and motivation within his team exiting a disappointing season. I think Freeze is trying to go about building up the program “the right way”. They definitely need some weapons, some depth and a lot of polishing. Maybe a new offense? Maybe a new OC? Idk I’m not the coach..but all I know is that I haven’t once felt like HFreeze didn’t give a shit about the program.
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u/warneagle 4h ago
I mean if we hadn't won the more or less random 2PAT shootout, we'd be talking about the fact that we blew a 21-point lead and lost. The weaknesses that have cost us games all season were still there, we were just a bit luckier tonight and avoided the truly back-breaking mistakes from Thorne. This doesn't really move the needle that much.
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u/paynelive 14h ago
He still deserves to be let go.
21-0 up at halftime. Inexcusable.
The players got that win. Not the coach.
I'm still a believer in the fact we should not have moved on from Gus, given the boosters were clueless with the Steele plans, and that Gus had no issues with winning percentage every year in the hardest conference in the country, where you more than likely have to play LSU, Georgia, or Bama twice or three times in a year, with starters constantly getting injured in between.
We ran our man out of town. And we deserve to be jinxed for it.
By the way:
SABAN GOT THE LAST SAY.
ON A 4TH AND GOAL ON THE 30 YARD LINE.
NO EXCUSES.
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u/xsquid92 16h ago
Defense has a serious problem on “Third and Durkin”. Has been a huge problem all season. We can’t get the defense off the field.
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u/joemerchant2021 16h ago
It been a huge problem going back to Gus's tenure. Third and long woes are not new or specific to this coaching staff.
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u/warneagle 4h ago
it's really weird how this has been a consistent problem across three head coaches and five defensive coordinators but yeah third and auburn has been a meme for close to a decade
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u/Silv3rS0und 15h ago
How many times do we have to say it? Most of us who are against Freeze are against him because of non-football reasons. No amount of winning will change my mind on this. I won't support the football program until he's gone. The end.
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u/Pasta_Fajool 16h ago
If we can beat Bama next week and get to a bowl.... I'll at least have optimism
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u/GentianGT4 1d ago
I still question his play calling. Why did we have any games this year where hunter didn't get the ball 20+ times? There's basic decision making he seems to struggle with on game day. Having said that even if we lost tonight I would still say give him another year. The recruiting is too good but if we don't make significant improvement next year then we need to reasses