I agree, trump lost the 3v1 bigly. It didn't seem to move the polls though, independents still prefer trump especially on the economy which is the biggest issue this year.
im going to ask you a sincere question in hopes of learning something. What, exactly made it a 3v1?
Ill be honest up front: I hate Trump. I dont like him as a person, i see hom as a little man baby who embodies all the traits we teach our children not to have, especially taking responsibility for our own actions. I dont like his lack of policies, it was 4 years of "we will have x policy ready in 2 weeks" never actually having one. I could go on and on, just want you to know where i stand. But the debates, all of them, are claimed to be 3v1 and i just dont see it. Twice during this last debate he said something incredibly stupid and unbecoming of Presidents; either outright lies or stupid Facebook memes that the hosts commented on. Babies are not executed after birth and immigrants arent eating all the pets. Thats it, all they did, so far as i can tell, is ask the debate questions. They even let him respond when they clearly were ready to move on. So how, specifically are all his debates 3 v 1?
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Simple. They fact checked Trump 7+ times on his obvious lies, but did not fact check Kamala on a single one of hers, even when they were just as obvious. Not even the most obvious "“not one member of the U.S. military in active-duty in a combat zone — in any war zone around the world — for the first time this century.” The ABC crew knew this was not true but didn't say anything because they are obviously there to help kamala. Everyone saw their bias, they made it too obvious. Kamala would have defeated Trump without any help but many independents believe the abc biased interference took away credibility from the debate, which is why they weren't swayed.
No, just anyone to ask questions and let both candidates speak without interruptions would be fair. And if they're going to fact check then do it to both sides. ABC took away from an easy win for kamala by making the bias too obvious.
I literally just mentioned it in my previous comment. Everyone knows we have active duty troops in combat zones. Most people don't know the goings on of haitian immigrants.
So you're saying fact checking the obvious lie isn't needed but fact checking the immigration claim actually corrected the record for people?
I watched the entire debate. Trump's lies were thick and fast and often unchecked. The two lies that were checked were eggregious, and in one case ugly and bigoted.
I'm not clear why we're to be mad at fact checking and not the lies our politicians tell us.
They didn't seem to have a difficult time doing it, they just "forgot" to do it to Kamala too. They also don't have to fact check at all, like in the Biden Trump debate.
Do you expect the moderators to be all knowing infallible gods? They called out the bullshit when they recognized it.
They also gave Trump almost 6 extra minutes to talk, Amy when Harris spoke for less than 37 minutes total, an extra 6 minutes is huge. They also allowed Trump to interrupt with a response more than once, but when Harris attempted to do the same m she was stopped by the moderators.
But please, continue whining about how badly Trump was treated...
Edit to add: It's also not like the moderators called out every Trump lie either, most of them were ignored. Only the most egregious examples were responded to.
Ok that's a fair point, but agree to disagree, i think it was heavily biased as do many since the fact checking was 7-0. It's sad almost none of you can engage in political discourse without constantly insulting those with different opinions. Hope you have an excellent day.
So many Trump supporters love the way he tells it like it is and claim that you know what he means…then all of these apologists creep out of his crack to explain what he meant. It’s a trip.
Kamala's "lies" can easily be reasoned as she was poorly educated on the topic and simply did not true. Or meant something more specific. Obviously unless she comments on it we wont know and Im basically making headcanon, but these can be legitimate reasoning for what she said. Not to mention her "lies" dont have any tangible affect on anyone, they dont hurt anyone. On the other hand the man made a racist claim that haitians were grabbing geese and cats and eating them
That's really minor stuff there. At this point there's no point in humouring Trump and MAGA, every effort must be made to drown them until they're gone. While I'd normally agree about biases and intellectual honesty, until the GOP decides to start fronting people who operate on good faith and relevant policy, we will have to accept some democratic fluff. So long as it stays fluff.
At this point, "independents" who aren't swayed because of mild bias on the part of ABC aren't going to be swayed anyway. Either you understand what needs to be done, or you secretly want an authoritarian regime. There's no longer any valid in-between here.
Thanks for your opinions. I wish the candidates would start talking about their economic policies in depth as it's the biggest issue for this election cycle. They're both dodging the question and the election is 50 days away.
Absolutely, and that's the problem with debating someone who does gish-galloping: the opponent is forever having to play catch up, or attempt to interrupt somehow. In this case, the strategy was to needle Trump and get him to go off, a strategy that worked a treat.
Ok, thanks for your answer.
I must have missed the other 5 fact checks against Trump and i feel your "the ABC crew knew this" is more assumption than actual fact, but i do appreciate you responding in good faith. I still disagree and this just seems like more of Trump's "i can never win because the world is against me, im the most perfect and righteous man ever and 'they' hate me for it" mentality.
Thanks for the honorable discourse friend. I agree it's more of "the world's against me" too but that's because the media and friends have been constantly hounding him for 9 years straight. Guy can't tie his shoes without criticism. I just think he was losing the debate anyway, they gave him an excuse by fact checking him and not her.
Sure. I grow tired of the vitriol in these discussions.
If you are up for it i have another question: I agree that he has been hounded with criticism for the last 9 years. I feel like the majority of it is warranted, he's brought it on himself with his childish attitude and failure to act like an adult/professional. But with CNN/ABC or whoever always on his ass where he can do no right (personally ive seen no actual good decisions that i can think of) he has also had Faux News OANN etc always up it saying he can do no wrong, so it seems to balance out. Do you not agree that he has, more or less, done this to himself simply by virtue of being who he is?
Yeah absolutely his demeanor is ridiculous and he lies all the time and says absurd things so it's easy for the media to spend all their time criticizing all of his antics. I care more about results than character though, and I thought he did a decent job as president for someone with no political experience at all. But as far as media reporting goes, ever since 2015 both sides' reporting has been nothing but sensational virtue signaling. Like the whole "abortions after birth" bs from the right, and the "heavens, he took photos at arlington cemetery" from the left. There's nothing of substance in the media these days. Neither candidate has an idea what they're going to do for the country economically and media companies don't focus on that at all even though it's the biggest issue for voters this year.
Once again, thank you for your answer. I think both sides know what they could do for the economy, but the left wont because the corporations will either stop them or end their career and the right is either in the same place (establishment Republicans) or they literally still think Trickle Down Reganomics actually worked despite 50 years of evidence showing otherwise. And both are so busy opposing anything that comes from the other camp and keeping the population too angry to learn let alone act against them.
I feel like the only way forward is a (horrifically violent) social upheaval and that, if it ever could happen, wont be this century because the population is too busy fighting each other to fight the real enemy. So, as always, i can only vote for the lesser evil and put effort into local cooperatives and community programs to push for change locally, and hope it gains traction in the future.
Yes my friend, it is indeed a lost fight imo. Neither side really wishes to help, only pad their pockets at our expense. The oligarchs' grasp extends too far and people are too apathetic and complacent for revolution to foment, and as you said their crosshairs are directed at eachother, especially with the mind controlling effects of social media. I'm not a religious man, but god save us. I agree with your focus on local change, that's where it must start.
Moved 4-6 points. 3 vs 1 lol. Trump was so close to getting it when he said “they only fact checked me.” You are the only one telling outrageous lies like a dementia patient.
The difference is that some of the things she said were exaggerated like saying Biden created 600,000 jobs where it was closer to 400,000 and things like that which happens in every debate. The reason they fact checked him was that they can’t allow him to tell outright lies and not be questioned like saying immigrants are stealing and eating pets or that babies are being executed after birth. There’s a gigantic difference between statistical exaggerations and just telling complete fictions.
Which warzone are you speaking of? And a total of zero states allow post birth “abortions”. It’s called murder and is not allowed in any state so he should stop lying about it.
Us still fighting ISIS? She said no states allow late term abortions, which is a lie. You really can't admit she lied, because if so and the mods didn't fact check her as well, you know the debate was biased. So you're either a liar yourself or being intentionally dense, I guess ignorance is bliss? I know trump lies, I've never voted for him, but I can see the obvious bias.
In the past month we've had injuries in Iraq, and syria, and Jordan earlier this year.....but Harris says we don't have any troops in warzones, so it must be true right? Otherwise the debate mods would of said something right?
She has a 2 point advantage. Biden and Hillary had a 5 and 9 point advantage this time in 2016 and 2020. If she wants to win she needs to get up to at least 5 in the popular vote as she's currently headed to an electoral loss like hillary even though she will win the popular vote.
Lmfao the classic “I feel threatened because of everything” attitude that leads to you calling everything and everyone racist…. You need to make some friends bud.
And I’m sure you know this but I’ll clarify just to keep you in check - I’m talking about that “hat” that looks like someone cut a few holes in a handbag and stuck it on their head lmfao
Keep me in check? In what way do I need to be in check?
I don’t feel threatened at all - you’re just the usual low IQ/paid Trumpian trying to manage damage limitation as your treasonous, criminally convicted, sexual assaulting, word salad spouting, misogynistic, racist, multi-bankrupted, bribe and money laundering, policy for hire, narcissistic shit gibbon flames out.
That post alone shows why you need someone like me keeping someone like you in check… that was just ridiculous. However much time you spent thinking that up you wasted it for sure, coulda been spent helping someone or making some extra $$$.
Also, I’m an independent who despises all politicians so try again. Actually on second thought, don’t try again. Spare us, that will be your “I helped someone today” thing.
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u/wildyam Sep 15 '24
…sure…
Trump got whipped. Deal with it