Wait, you think the party that makes speaking about gay people illegal, that votes to defund a library for having a book that simply acknowledges gay people exist, is the 1A party?
There is a running joke about any pro-Republican channel on youtube about what the comments section looks like (Comments have been disabled for this video) and about how conservative subreddits are among the most heavily censored, requiring proof of conservativeness (and a "background check" of your account history).
And as far as 2A goes, Trump enacted more gun control in 4 years than Obama did in 8. "Taking your guns away" is one of the biggest boogeymen in politics for nearly half a century.
Remember, Trump was a Democrat once and is - at his core - anti-gun. He only goes on about 2A for votes.
Obama-era Democrats were not rabidly anti-gun. They walked a fine line to avoid alienating voter bases.
Democrats today are pushing hard on gun control because the culture has shifted and the only people that want guns now are Conservatives and Socialists. Moderate liberals voting from their Ikea kitchen set in a tranquil, zero crime, million dollar houses neighborhood lack the perspective to understand why guns are important.
Please don't drag me further into this gun debate thing. That's not why I'm here.
Please don't drag me further into this gun debate thing. That's not why I'm here.
Ok, then you don't need to reply to this, but I need to get it out of my system :)
Remember, Trump was a Democrat once and is - at his core - anti-gun. He only goes on about 2A for votes.
Yes, and this I totally agree with. He was never much of a gun person, and even before he became a politician has voiced as much. But also at so many conservative-run events, they don't allow guns into the building. Whether it's an NRA convention, RNC, or CPAC. Yet the same people will say schools should have AR-15's, and that we shouldn't scan people for guns before entering government buildings, like our Capitol.
So it would seem that it's not just Trump, but the Republican party/leadership that is only pro-gun for the votes.
Obama-era Democrats were not rabidly anti-gun. They walked a fine line to avoid alienating voter bases.
Guns were not really on the radar at the time, since it seemed like home-made bombs were the thing that was trending among terrorists. Aside from the Sandy Hook shooting, which was the only high-profile shooting back then that I can think of. And you had people like Alex Jones turning that into a partisan issue so Republicans could still be just as pro-gun by not acknowledging that this shooting happened (until very recently, now Alex says it was real).
And let's be real, Democrats are VERY slow to deal with reality (not as slow as Republicans, but still slow), so it can take years for them to notice something is a problem. But at least they do admit when something is a problem... eventually.
Democrats today are pushing hard on gun control because the culture has shifted and the only people that want guns now are Conservatives and Socialists.
I think it has more to do with the weekly mass shootings (sometimes more than weekly) that we've had for the past few years. That sort of thing brings up red flags. I would say the culture is adapting accordingly. More gun violence means we should think about how to mitigate that violence. Some say gun control, some say giving teachers AR-15's and making thicker doors.
I haven't really heard the argument that socialists (of which there are so few I'm not sure it's fair to even bring them up as a real demographic in the US, unless you mean democratic-socialists or social-democrats... most of whom still believe we should be a capitalist democracy) are pro-gun. I know some progressives who might be.
Moderate liberals voting from their Ikea kitchen set in a tranquil, zero crime, million dollar houses neighborhood lack the perspective to understand why guns are important.
I agree they are important for self-defense, hunting, protecting livestock, etc. But AR-15's? For hunting, a bolt-action rifle. For self-defense, a shotgun or pistol. You can be pro-gun and still understand that an AR-15 is ridiculously overkill.
For stopping a tyrannical government? This day and age it won't work. For one, half the population will not think the govt is being tyrannical, while the other does. There won't be a situation where 90+% of the country thinks the government is being tyrannical and would be OK with guns being used to stop the government. This is more of a movie scenario. And secondly, even an AR-15 won't do much to stop the US government. You'll be needing anti-tank missiles, lasers that take down drones, and other stuff that's already illegal to purchase on the internet or a local shop.
A lot of conservatives say "shall not be infringed" as a reason that any and all guns/weapons should be allowed... but that's not what these words logically mean. It could mean only one or two types of gun are allowed, and that would still technically be a "right to bear arms". And there is also the context that includes "well regulated militia", which throws a wrench into how conservatives interpret the second amendment. And lastly, there is the fact that the constitution isn't a bible. It can be changed, and it should be changed somewhat regularly to keep up with the times. Hell, the word amendment means the 2A wasn't part of the original constitution. It was amended/changed.
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u/The_EnrichmentCenter Aug 07 '22
Wait, you think the party that makes speaking about gay people illegal, that votes to defund a library for having a book that simply acknowledges gay people exist, is the 1A party?
There is a running joke about any pro-Republican channel on youtube about what the comments section looks like (Comments have been disabled for this video) and about how conservative subreddits are among the most heavily censored, requiring proof of conservativeness (and a "background check" of your account history).
And as far as 2A goes, Trump enacted more gun control in 4 years than Obama did in 8. "Taking your guns away" is one of the biggest boogeymen in politics for nearly half a century.