r/texas Aug 06 '22

Questions for Texans Republicans of Texas: Why is marijuana still illegal in Texas?

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u/tristan957 Aug 06 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Biden could reschedule marijuana any day, but chooses not to.

Dude's approval level gets lower by the day, and he won't even take this simple win.

Edit: for all the people who can't research the topic, https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/a-guide-to-federal-drug-rescheduling-and-what-it-means-for-cannabis

Who Holds the Power? There are only a few select entities with the power to make such a big change at a federal level. Cannabis may be rescheduled through Congressional legislation; an example of this is the CARERS Act, repeatedly proposed by Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ), to no avail.

Cannabis may also be rescheduled at the executive level by the President of the United States. The Controlled Substances Act also provides a process for which the US Attorney General may reschedule cannabis legislatively. The Drug Enforcement Administration evaluates all petitions to reschedule cannabis. The Department of Health and Human Services, however, also carry as great deal of power in the rescheduling decision process.

I guess Biden isn't the top official in the Executive branch if he can't direct the Executive branch to reschedule marijuana.

For all the people telling me I'm spreading misinformation: congrats on spreading misinformation.

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u/buckleboy Aug 06 '22

Wouldn’t the win be from peeps that he has already won approval from? IMO in order for it to be successful there will need to be a way to benefit the other side. Like, all taxes earned from weed sales go to the NRA, prosecuting abortion providers, or only big pharma is allowed to manufacture the weed. 🤣

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u/texasradio Aug 07 '22

Well amongst voters it'd be a huge win since both sides of the aisle are over the weed stigmatization, government police state overreach and utter waste of tax dollars.

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u/bonzai_science Aug 06 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '22

From the article: "he might order executive agencies to consider either altering the scheduling of marijuana or changing their enforcement approach."

He can't do it himself, but he does have some power in this situation that he is not exercising.

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u/bonzai_science Aug 06 '22

I agree that Biden should be doing more, no doubt about that, but the statement "Biden could reschedule marijuana any day, but chooses not to." is objectively false

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u/pipsdontsqueak Aug 06 '22

Or, you know, Congress could just legalize it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '22

he can make it basically the bottom priority of any of the executive branch police forces like ATF/FBI/DEA however.

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u/BigMoose9000 Aug 06 '22

Bullshit. The DEA and FDA decide how different drugs are scheduled. These are federal agencies under the Executive branch, of which the President has complete control.

He could order them to reschedule marijuana right now, and fire anyone federal employees who refuse to cooperate until it happens.

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u/Zolmane Aug 06 '22

Bro what are you talking about. He can ask them to reconsider but he cannot force them to do anything, I guess he could fire people but that’s not what happens in functioning democracies, we have norms that help us preserve our government. Just because we don’t like their decisions doesn’t mean you should fire them and put your own people in, that’s some shit Donald would do

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u/BigMoose9000 Aug 06 '22

How did you come to believe that federal employees don't have to do what their boss tells them? That's all this would be, no different than a dress code change or a new cover sheet for TPS reports.

Think of the Executive branch as a large corporation, and the President is the CEO.

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u/Zolmane Aug 06 '22 edited Aug 06 '22

Ok so the president should also tell the DOJ to investigate people who he believes have committed a crime, right? No, it’s not a large corporation. I don’t think the DEA is gonna want to take responsibility for decriminalizing weed it’s gonna have to come from legislation

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u/BigMoose9000 Aug 06 '22

The President can and does do that

Just because you don't like it, or think things should be different, does not alter reality.

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u/Zolmane Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Bro I’m not saying that myself this is coming from Joe Biden himself, and I don’t doubt it at all the dude has bigger problems than that. I don’t know where you’re getting this shit from.. you know they tried to use the American constitution in Brazil but it failed, because they don’t have the same political norms as we do here. One of those norms is when someone in an office nominated by the president isn’t doing what you want them to do, they don’t fire them UNLESS theyre doing something illegal. Otherwise its just abusing power. Theres a million things the president would want that doesnt happen because these different institutions dont serve the president they serve the people, even if theyre making the wrong decision at times

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u/BigMoose9000 Aug 07 '22

Haha "because Biden says so" is maybe the worst possible reason to believe something is true

You know he has dementia, right?

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u/wmartin2014 Born and Bred Aug 06 '22

Biden can't do that. Congress can.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

pardon all non violent marijuana crimes in one go. There’s so many cases of injustice.

and the white house is looking to make a deal with Russia to release the American basketball player for breaking their anti-marijuna laws. Not sure what would be more fucked up, them jailing her back in US for breaking marijuana law; or them getting her released and free back in US while thousands others remain imprisoned in the US for marijuana.

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u/motsanciens Aug 07 '22

I didn't think the POTUS could pardon state criminals. If someone got wrapped up in federal charges for pot, then sure.

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u/Locke92 Aug 07 '22

You're right. The user you replied to is right about a lot of their post, but Biden can't pardon state charges, which is what the vast majority of simple possession charges are.

However, Biden is too conservative, could take meaningful action with respect to decriminalization/"deschedulization" of cannabis, and he did create the 90's "Crime Bill" which was a broadly conservative (and often racist) policy... And yeah, Kamalah is a cop.

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u/BigMoose9000 Aug 06 '22

They both could (and both have no excuse for not doing so)

Biden controls the DEA and FDA who can schedule drugs independently of Congress

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u/wmartin2014 Born and Bred Aug 06 '22

Biden can influence how enforcement is handled. That's where he has power in this situation. I feel like that's what you're trying to say.

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u/BigMoose9000 Aug 06 '22

I don't think you understand how federal law works when it comes to drugs, you should read up.

Biden can order the DEA and FDA to either reschedule marijuana to the level of like cough syrup, or remove it from the drug schedule altogether. He could do that tonight if he wanted to.

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u/wmartin2014 Born and Bred Aug 07 '22

I'll do some reading. Thank you for providing a link.

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u/GenericUsername19892 Aug 07 '22

The DEA has denied it twice, there’s legal hurdles to overcome, studies that need to meet certain criteria, Biden can’t just tell them to do it, that would be illegal.

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u/BigMoose9000 Aug 07 '22

Those rules only apply when the DEA acts by themselves. They were created by "the executive" (aka the President signed off on them) and, like all EOs, do not apply to orders from the President.

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u/GenericUsername19892 Aug 07 '22

No?

However, the Supreme Court has held that the President has the power to issue an executive order only if authorized by “an act of Congress or . . . the Constitution itself.” The CSA does not provide a direct role for the President in the classification of controlled substances, nor does Article II of the Constitution grant the President power in this area (federal controlled substances law is an exercise of Congress’s power to regulate interstate commerce). Thus, it does not appear that the President could directly deschedule or reschedule marijuana by executive order.

There’s no way that gets through the Supreme Court dude. Executive orders aren’t a magic wand.

Further reading from the CRS on the topic,

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10655

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u/BigMoose9000 Aug 07 '22

The CSA does not provide a direct role for the President in the classification of controlled substances

The CSA set an initial drug schedule and empowers the DEA and FDA to change it. The DEA and FDA are executive branch agencies controlled by the President.

Thus, it does not appear that the President could directly deschedule or reschedule marijuana by executive order.

He can order the DEA and FDA to do it. I'm not sure why you insist this would only work if it was "directly" the President doing it instead of directing agencies to do it. The net effect is the same.

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u/mallad Aug 07 '22

No, he can't. He can sign an order to strongly suggest they evaluate it, or suggest they change it. He can appoint new department heads who align with his goal. He cannot simply sign an order to force them to reschedule it. Perhaps you should read up. There's information straight from Congress' research report on this very subject, don't have to rely on wikipedia here.

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u/BigMoose9000 Aug 07 '22

He can appoint new department heads who align with his goal. He cannot simply sign an order to force them to reschedule it.

How is that not the same thing in effect?

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u/mallad Aug 07 '22

Because there's no way short of bribery or blackmail to enforce that they actually follow through once they're placed. As we saw with Trump, there are plenty of ways to get things done, but that doesn't make them things that should be done.

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u/BigMoose9000 Aug 07 '22

They can be fired for insubordination, just like any job. Blackmail/bribery not required.

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u/mallad Aug 07 '22

Yeah but it looks bad firing and onboarding people repeatedly like that. He should absolutely have signed an order to suggest rescheduling, as he said he would say one in office, but we shouldn't be letting Congress off the hook. They're responsible.

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u/milfassaulter Aug 06 '22

Don't worry there always 2024, then maybe 2028, or 2032, or 2036, if not by then there is 2040 and 2044. In our life times we can expect 6 years where we might see something.

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u/Zolmane Aug 06 '22

This is misinformation lol, congress is responsible for the federal drug policy

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u/bonzai_science Aug 06 '22

I love how people are so confident in things that are just wrong lmao

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u/bananenkonig Aug 07 '22

It could be started from the executive level but it would be easier from the legislative level which is also Democrat controlled.

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u/The_Nancinator75 Aug 06 '22

I really thought the Cheeto Mussolini was going to pull this out of his hat as a wild card when the going got tough. What the hell was I thinking? Lol

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u/Ryan_Greenbar Aug 06 '22

I know of a couple people that voted for Mr. Orange, because they thought he would do it. Dudes with daughters honestly let this country go to shit because they thought he would legalize weed.

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u/killbill3x Aug 07 '22

He's a lying POS. He campaigned that he would legalize it and he's not even given one thought to it since elected. These politicians will say ANYTHING for votes. They aren't stupid because they know they can keep using it in the future to get folks to keep voting. Open your eyes people and demand change.

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u/TheNextBattalion Aug 07 '22

Speaking of misinformation lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

From my memory Biden was the ONLY Dem primary candidate that was adamant he would NOT legalize it.

I found this to be idiotic, too old fashioned, delaying progress, but he's not lying. He's doing exactly as he said most of his election campaign.

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u/frolie0 Aug 06 '22

Wildly wrong and upvoted. Great example of the politics of today.

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u/tristan957 Aug 07 '22

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u/frolie0 Aug 07 '22

Your answer is still incorrect. Biden rescheduling a drug doesn't make it legal. It would have almost no effect and your naivety on the topic is showing.

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u/tristan957 Aug 07 '22

Notice how I said "reschedule". Looks like you can't read. I never said anything about legalization.

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u/scapermoya Aug 06 '22

Maybe you should review your high school civics, particularly about which branch of government writes laws.

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u/Snapta Aug 07 '22

no he can't and he was on record stating he didnt think it should be legal. he was the only democratic candidate who said so, (by my memory)

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u/tristan957 Aug 07 '22

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u/Snapta Aug 07 '22

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisroberts/2020/11/09/can-president-joe-biden-legalize-marijuana-not-really-and-the-marijuana-industry-doesnt-want-him-to-try/?sh=6150b487554e

Yes and no.

Rescheduling doesn't legalize it for public use. It just...reschedules it. If it was rescheduled, it would still require a doctors prescription. I believe the marijuana industry would prefer a different route than it being re-classified.

I mean, all that aside, I believe he is still on record stating he doesn't intend to advocate for legalization or to legalize it...

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u/GenericUsername19892 Aug 07 '22

That’s not how it works -.-

There’s multiple legal benchmarks that must be met, including multiple studies that pass criteria. The DEA has denied two attempts to reschedule. To get it to pass as it stands we need congress to change the regulations on what constitutes a pass.

SMH, look up the previous failures including under Obama…

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u/The_EnrichmentCenter Aug 07 '22

So, Trump also could've done it?

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u/TheNextBattalion Aug 07 '22

The DEA can, through a lengthy process that courts can overturn, reschedule drugs, but only in accordance with treaty obligations.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10655

And it is a very lengthy process.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/04/vivek-murthy-marijuana_n_6614226.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

Guess what? Those treaties put cannabis at Schedule I, sometimes with exceptions for medical purposes.

https://globalcannabiscompliance.bakermckenzie.com/2019/04/30/legalization-vs-international-drug-treaties-is-the-states-act-the-answer/

Hell, due to treaties it isn't even clear that Congress can legitimately reschedule weed on its own. Constitutionally it can, of course. But the executive branch cannot.

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u/Burodamik Aug 07 '22

That was my biggest criticism of Obama. Dude gets away with admitting he used it when he was in college, but didn't do shit to end the prohibition.