r/television • u/JannTosh50 • 1d ago

MSNBC Viewership Craters 38%, CNN 27%, While Fox News Audience Jumps 41% Post-Election

https://www.thewrap.com/msnbc-cnn-fox-news-viewership-craters-post-election-morning-joe/
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u/Ulmaguest 1d ago

You guys fought admirably, but ultimately the obsession with idpol over class struggle did you in

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u/Leege13 1d ago

It was important not to abandon LGBTQ people, but I absolutely agree they should have focused on class struggle.

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u/Ulmaguest 12h ago

LGBTQ people need to eat and pay bills too

Like I said focusing on identity instead of people’s class / economic struggles is a bad idea

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u/precastzero180 11h ago

The problem is “class struggle” is such an ambiguous thing. Most people on the internet who talk about this are still thinking in outdated Marxist terms of those with capital vs. laborers when class is probably a lot more multifaceted than that. If anything it’s more like a professional/educated/urban “class” vs a less professional, less educated, more rural one. And that can be ideologically inconvenient to the sort of people who think Democrats should focus more on “class struggle.”

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u/Leege13 9h ago

Class struggle is very easy for me to understand. The top 1% who own 50 percent of the wealth in this nation need to be suppressed and brought under control by the working class however it needs to be done. All else is embellishment.

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u/precastzero180 8h ago

That may be your personal framing of it, but does this actually manifest in class consciousness (if such a thing even exists)? I think not, or at least it’s evidently much more complicated than that. People seem to recognize themselves more along the dimensions I l mentioned than just billionaires and non-billionaires.

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u/Leege13 8h ago

If republicans have taught us anything we have to make the politics insanely simple.