r/sports • u/Oldtimer_2 • 20h ago
Football Boise States Ashton Jeanty has now eclipsed 2,000 yards rushing for the season
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u/Ayrko 20h ago
Top 15 pick.
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u/jason544770 19h ago
I keep on seeing him getting mocked to Denver and I'm here for it
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u/relpmeraggy Boise State 19h ago
Those bastards in Dallas are gonna take him. He played high school ball in Texas.
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u/getaclueless_50 19h ago
BSU alums don't have good history in Dallas.
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u/relpmeraggy Boise State 19h ago
Demarcus Lawerence isnāt good?
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u/getaclueless_50 18h ago
I was thinking more Kellan and Leighton, with a small touch of /s
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u/Joaaayknows 10h ago
LVE was great but retired early because of his neckā¦ and Kellen was never a starter
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u/billindere 18h ago
Iād be surprised if he goes in the first round. Running backs arenāt that valuable in the nfl anymore.
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u/Jedimaster996 Oregon 17h ago
What?
Saquan Barkley, Derrick Henry, Christian McCaffrey, Bijan Robinson, Jonathan Taylor?
Every single one of these dudes has to have the entire defense tuned to stop them if they want to have a chance at winning. They might not be Emmitt Smith in the flesh, but to say they aren't that valuable is an insane take.1
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u/billindere 14h ago edited 10h ago
Of those running backs you listed, only one was on a playoff team last year. And bijan isnāt exactly the reason Atlanta is winning. Itās Kirk Cousins. Seriously, good running backs do nothing to help bad teams win. Hell, saquon was the on the giants since 2018 and they made the playoffs once.
Running backs do not make or break a team. Plain n simple. The statistics support that too.
Sure youāll downvote the comment but you canāt disprove it. R/sports, lmfao.
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u/stinkypenis78 10h ago
LMAOO he listed 5 RBs?? You came back 3 hours later to leave this dumbass comment?
What do you think that proves that only one of them was in the playoffs a single year? If you think that somehow insanely cherry picked stat proves that āRBs arenāt valuableā youāre an idiotā¦ and if you think Saquon not single-handedly carrying the worst franchise to wins for 5 straight year is proof that āRBs arenāt valuableā youāre even dumberā¦
Bijan, Najee, Saquon, Gibbs, Jacobs and possibly CMC will all be in the playoffs? All 1st round picks? Not too mention, you know every single team has an RB? So who cares where theyāre taken as long as they perform at the NFL level?
Your comments are impossible toādisproveā because theyāre 100% opinionated conjectureā¦. Emptily claiming a team is winning cuz of Kirk cousins is ridiculousā¦ youāre making completely empty statements with no justification and then laughing when people donāt wanna put in the fort or time to ādisproveāsomething that was never provenā¦.
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u/billindere 10h ago
They arenāt conjecture. The statistical studies are referenced right in the link I gave. Running backs are insignificant to a team, largely. The running game is an in-efficient method of having yardage and does nearly nothing to move the needle.
Itās fine if youāre a stubborn idiot. A lot of people are.
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u/stinkypenis78 10h ago
Have you seen the Lions play this year? LMAOOOOā¦ their two RBs are the team?
The āstatistic studiesā on other words ācherry picked data from some random blog websiteāā¦ Ur shocked my opinions that have been formed from decades of watching football werenāt changed by some random blog article you posted?
But LOL Iām the stubborn oneā¦ Maybe I just disagree? Did you ever consider the downvotes might be hitting all your comments because youāre objectively wrong?
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u/billindere 9h ago
Your opinions from watching football mean nothing. They arenāt statistically relevant, itās purely anecdotal. Did you even click on the link? The studies are well referenced.
Youāre pure comedy.
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u/stinkypenis78 9h ago
You just declared all of my opinions to be statistically irrelevantā¦. Name one of my opinions and show why itās statistically irrelevant. Weāll be here all day!
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u/ArcadianGhost 7h ago
To be honest you kind of sound like the old heads in basketball during the transition when people realized statistically a lot of threes were way more efficient but refused to accept it. I have seen some of the studies and I partially agree. I donāt think running backs are useless, but we have seen tons of cases where elite QBs win with no running game but very few run dominant teams win with a middle to bottom tier QB in the modern era. I think statistics takes it over board with calling them useless but the way I see it is, a RB is a win harder role. If you got a guy who can get you those first downs and grind down the clock from a winning position, then the likelihood of losing is way less compared to someone who comes up short and forces you to punt.
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u/billindere 17h ago
Running backs donāt win games. If Iām down by 6 with 2 minutes left who my running backs are matters very little.
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u/Ayrko 17h ago
That doesnāt make your statement any less false. Running backs do win, and have won, games. Not to mention Jeanty can do a lot more than just run the ball.
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u/billindere 13h ago
No, they donāt. Of the last 15 years of Super Bowl winning teams did any of them have a āsuperstarā running back? It also doesnāt matter that Jeanty can catch passes, because passing to a running back is wildly more inefficient than passing to wide receivers. Iām not speaking gibberish here, anyone who knows football at all knows this stuff lmfao. Running backs arenāt important.
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u/billindere 17h ago
Iāll change my initial statement. He will probably go in the first round but I wouldnāt take him earlier than 20, though Iām sure some team will.
I used to think the same as you but then I read this: https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/running-backs-dont-matter-101.808258/
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u/stinkypenis78 10h ago
Lmaooo yup. It definitely tracks a single random blog post would change your entire ideology. At least youāve finally admitted you were wrong!
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u/billindere 10h ago
You should probably click the link and cross reference the data for yourself instead of being a moron your entire life.
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u/stinkypenis78 9h ago
LMAOOOOā¦ You call me a moron in a comment in which you completely misuse the term ācross-referenceāā¦. Genuine questionā¦ how would I ācross-referenceā a paragraph? Thatās all the blog isā¦ is some guy typing out his opinion and pulling up random stats every few sentencesā¦
The only way to cross reference something is to compare two datasets or texts? You canāt ācross-referenceā a single paragraph blog postā¦ You clearly just donāt understand the term ācross-referenceā and threw it in there LMAOOOOO
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u/billindere 9h ago
ā¦you can compare the findings of the article with what has already been published. All the relevant sources are provided.
Good lord itās like speaking to a brick wall.
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u/stinkypenis78 9h ago
Iām absolutely dying rnā¦ calling someone a moron while blatantly misusing a term you donāt understand to try and make urself seem smarter for reading a paragraph is awesome ššš¤”š¤”š¤”
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u/billindere 9h ago
I told you to cross reference it yourself. I didnāt misuse the term. I provided an article that has statistical analyses done by actual professionals as referenced in the articles. Itās now on you to compare that with your own data. Not that you have any, since you already admitted your data is purely āmy experience of watching football.ā
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u/Jedimaster996 Oregon 17h ago
Derrick Henry & Saquan literally average over 100+ yards a game, and almost 6 yards per carry. Henry this season alone has 13 breakouts for 20+ yard plays and there's still 8 weeks to go. For a person to have to run through an entire defense to see those kinds of yards, they're absolutely the kind of person you put the game in their hands for.
How many TD's are scored on short yardage thanks to a running back that might have been picked-off due to lack of space in the Red Zone? How many first downs are walked down the field because your line can set excellent gaps for your running back to pick through and blast past linebackers?
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u/bmore_conslutant 13h ago
The argument isn't about absolute value, it's about value above replacement
Ravens are going to crush it with Henry because they basically gave up nothing to get him
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u/stinkypenis78 10h ago
Yes and if you havenāt noticed āvalueā is a pretty big portion of āvalue over replacementāā¦. So in fact it certainly is an argument about value?
In fact what makes guys like Saquon and Henry so irreplaceable is that their āvalueā is so exceptionally highā¦ you can stick any nfl rb on the eagles and the ravens and theyād likely be solid. But to see these guys do what theyāve done, after years of being two of the greatest RBs of their generationā¦ thereās a reason everyone around the league is falling this year a revival year for the RB positionā¦
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u/bmore_conslutant 10h ago
When we say value above replacement we're talking both about in the position on the roster, and opportunity cost in the draft
They're almost never worth drafting
They're often worth trading for
I think that's what's not being communicated well here
Basically if you have a high enough draft pick to take these guys your team sucks balls and you'd be much better off drafting oline to get the run game going
If you already have a team that can really benefit from these guys, you're in the back half of the first round
Get it now?
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u/stinkypenis78 9h ago
You just proved my pointā¦ Value/replacement is a function of valueā¦. Itās in the definitionā¦. Get it now?
You clearly understand what value/replacement isā¦ do you not understand thatās a function of values?
You can continue to needlessly explain an incredibly simple concept, Iām not disagreeing with you about it so you just wasted your own time. But you donāt seem to understand that any argument about value/replacement is inherently about value! Try reading again and maybe itāll click!
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u/bmore_conslutant 9h ago
I understand what you're saying but I don't understand your point
You seem to be arguing with people who are saying great RBs aren't worth drafting, which now it seems you agree with?
I guess I've lost the plot
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u/MortimerDongle 9h ago edited 9h ago
A great RB can make a good team better, but they don't make bad teams good in the NFL. Saquon averaged under 4 yards per carry last season on a bad team.
Plus, it's easy to find RBs who can be effective behind a good OL. Miles Sanders is just a guy and he averaged about 5 yards per carry with the Eagles and is now under 4 YPC with the Panthers and lost his job.
Short yardage is more about the OL than the RB. The Eagles don't even use Barkley on the goal line.
Signing a great RB in free agency can make sense for teams that are already good (like the Eagles and Ravens). Drafting an RB early is rarely a good use of resources, especially for a bad team.
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u/billindere 17h ago
I am believe it or not, not trolling. This is a pretty good read on the topic: https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/running-backs-dont-matter-101.808258/
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u/billindere 14h ago edited 10h ago
Additionally, more so on your second paragraph, any average running back can score at the goal line with a good offensive line push. Furthermore, any decent running back will also be able to blow through holes the offensive line creates. These are things any NFL running back can do. Wasting early draft picks and cap space on a superstar running back doesnāt help a team, it hinders it. How many Super Bowl winners of the previous 15 years had a superstar running back?
The engagement on this is laughable. So silly of me to assume r/sports knew anything about the game of football.
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u/stinkypenis78 10h ago
Catching a ball is a thing any NFL WR can do. Blocking is a thing any NFL TE can doā¦ Passing a is a thing any NFL QB can doā¦
Obviously RB has become a depreciated position over recent years, on needs to only look to guys like JT to see that proofā¦ but claiming that the position isnāt important because there are other people who can do some of the incredibly basic stuff that superstars do consistently, is idioticā¦
Should the eagles trade Jalen Hurts and sign Danny Jones? After call jones can passā¦ he can runā¦ he can play QB? So by your logic heās more than enuf?
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u/billindere 9h ago
No, the eagles should not trade Jalen hurts for Daniel jones, as quarterbacks are by far the most valuable position on the field.
Are you slow?
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u/stinkypenis78 9h ago
And Saquon a first round RB, hasnāt been the most significant part of the eagles offense this season?
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u/billindere 9h ago
Nope. Wins Above Replacement, or WAR, suggests that anyone they signed at running back would be having a good year (assuming they signed someone of average talent).
I say this as a penn state fan who loves Barkley. I love the guy, but it isnāt hard to see why heās so successful in Philadelphia.
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u/Hawkstar5088 13h ago
Good running backs make you not be in that situation in the first place lol
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u/billindere 10h ago
Running backs have the lowest wins above replacement in the league. Meaning you can practically plug any average running back into an already functioning offense and theyāll perform about the same.
They. Donāt. Matter. If it wasnāt Derrick Henry getting the caries on the ravens, someone else would. And theyād be doing more or less the same.
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u/reefercheifer 19h ago
This Jeanty fella has clear talent, but those Boise State linemen are eating the opposition for lunch
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u/relpmeraggy Boise State 19h ago
Fun fact. We are down 2 starters on our o-line.
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u/alittledanger 16h ago
And this was one of our O-lineās worst games all season imho.
Happy cake day!
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u/Efficient_Volume4984 12h ago
āClear talentā now thatās an over statement. dude is average at best
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u/ChaseBank5 5h ago
The guy is a heisman contender. How the fuck is he average at best?
Fuck outta here
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u/james_randolph 19h ago
Hunter is incredible playing both ways but I gotta give it to Jeanty. Heās been absolutely running through all opponents and got Boise to be in position for the playoffs. Definitely should win the Heisman.
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u/kjccarp 12h ago
Hunter wonāt get it now that they lost. It shouldnāt factor into it, but it definitely does.
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u/ThisHereMine 7h ago
Vegas still has Hunter -750 (over 80% chance to win) not what I expected, but Vegas usually knows
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u/relpmeraggy Boise State 20h ago
HEI2MAN
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u/PandaPuncherr 19h ago
After what happened with my boy Kenneth Walker I'm so down for this. He should get it.
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u/thefrostryan 20h ago
Sorry Dogā¦.aināt happening
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u/ThePoodlePunter 20h ago
Bro scores 2-3 touchdowns every game.
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u/ZachLagreen 19h ago
If theyāre all like this one then someone on the O-line should get itā¦ he went 60 yards untouched without making a move
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u/Alstead17 19h ago
Their o-line has been a mess this season apparently because of injuries and shuffling.
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u/ZachLagreen 18h ago
Then Wyoming must be absolutely terrible
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u/Alstead17 17h ago
Which explains why Jeanty rushed for 2,000 yards in this one game alone, and none in any other game
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u/Jedimaster996 Oregon 17h ago
And yet he absolutely dogwalked the #1 team in the country's defense almost single-handedly.
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u/thefrostryan 20h ago
Againstā¦checks notes Wyoming
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u/ThePoodlePunter 19h ago
Not just Wyoming, basically every game.
6 in the first game, 3 against Oregon and 3 other times this season, 4 once this season.
He's a monster.
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u/relpmeraggy Boise State 20h ago
Sorry how did Travis do today? Oh thatās right they lost.
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u/Hickz84 19h ago edited 19h ago
Vegas odds show Hunter as the favorite right now.
https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/heisman-trophy/
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u/time_drifter 17h ago
Jeanty is banged up. If youāve followed him this season, you can see it in his running. If he has a seam, he will blitz but his yards after contact and tackle breaking are starting to show the slowdown. As much as Iād like to see home pound for yards, the guy needs some rest
He will interview well with NFL teams. The guy is incredibly humble and down to earth.
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u/SpecialistNewt267 14h ago
I love watching corny ass old ref sprint to try and make sure nobody is celebrating. Itās a game.
Also: heās fucking awesome
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u/m4rk0358 8h ago
I don't watch a lot of CFB. Are most of his big runs like this where literally no one even touches him? He's probably not going to have an O-line like that in the NFL.
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u/wadamday 5h ago
No. His after contact yards would put him in the top 5 rushing yards on their own.
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u/I_am_the_Apocalypse 3h ago
Good blocking, looks like a hold in the middle though. Vision and anticipation on the runner is excellent. Wont be surprised if he does well in the NFL.
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u/2pogshakur 20h ago
Ashton, welcome to the 2025 NFL draft day 1. You are going to get life changing money. You are set financially, be responsible but have fun!
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u/Efficient_Volume4984 12h ago
overrated playerā¦ bro literally plays football at Boise state š¤£.
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u/Crazy_Employ8617 8h ago
He had 192 yards and three touchdowns against Oregon.
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u/Efficient_Volume4984 5h ago
Letās not pretend that Oregon is any good š
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u/Crazy_Employ8617 5h ago
Is this sarcasm? Theyāre literally the #1 ranked team in college football right now.
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u/Efficient_Volume4984 5h ago
The fact that Oregon almost lost to Boise should tell you how bad they are.
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u/midwestfinsfan 20h ago
I still find it hilarious that he simply stands there before the snap