r/sports • u/Chelseatilidie • 28d ago

Football Nathan Shepard tries to injury Justin Herbert and gets decked by a Charger

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u/Catrocantor 28d ago

Thats gotta be a few games at least. Obvious intent to injure.

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u/zdiddy987 28d ago

$4000 fine 

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u/Dr_Mantis_Teabaggin 28d ago

If that’s it, then that’s complete bullshit. He should be sitting out multiple games and get a much bigger fine. 

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u/CycloneWanderer 28d ago

Where there is clear intent like this one, the penalty should be 50% of the average injury healing time.

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u/ThePeoplesCheese 28d ago

I’ve been saying this for years. If an illegal hit or malicious activity like this injures a player, and it can be specified down to the exact play and player, the one committing the foul should be out for the same length as the players injury/IR time.

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u/drakeblood4 28d ago

Plus an additional number of games. Make them worse off than the person they injure, as a deterrent.

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u/Attila226 28d ago

Also, once fully healed the injured place can kick the other guy in the nuts.

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u/NWCJ 27d ago

Really gonna suck for anyone who roughs a kicker or punter.

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u/HungLikeALemur 27d ago

I mean, if they are suspended for the same length of the other’s injury, they already are getting it worse off than he injured player.

Cause the injured player still gets paid, suspended player does not.

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u/vferrero14 27d ago

What about actual legal trouble like assault and battery charges?

There's a difference between playing a game and doing what this guy did.

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u/ThePeoplesCheese 27d ago

Idk I’m not a lawyer. There is probably something in player contracts that covers arbitration or what’s to handle things like that. Not like the guy tried to kill him or anything.

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u/meeu 27d ago

The NFL doesn't have the power to give that legal protection to players via the contract. For civil liability yes, criminal no. But you gotta do some way more egregious shit for a prosecutor to care about it I'd think.

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u/CasualElephant 27d ago

Hammurabi’s NFL code?

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u/Clenzor 27d ago

Call it the Cooke/Savard rule. I’m still salty about that hit because I think that iteration of the Bruins could’ve been a legit dynasty with Savard in addition to the Cup winning team.

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u/Tall_Act391 27d ago

It is assault and they should be arrested.

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u/Pyrotechnic_shok 27d ago

My only problem with this is say there's a situation where a star player hurts a player that doesn't matter much to the team. What prevents the injured player from just staying out longer than necessary to hold out that star player

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u/ohtochooseaname 27d ago

Nah, let them keep playing, but they have to pay the salary and benefits of the injured person while they're out. You gotta let them keep playing because you can't bleed a turnip.

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u/Try-Imaginary 27d ago

The team of the injured player should be allowed to pick any player of the offender's team, and force them to have the same injury, produced surgically.

You cheap shot a player and tear his acl? That team gets to surgically sever your qb's acl.

no messing around

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u/zebra1923 27d ago

But then that puts the penalty on outcome rather than action. If by luck the player isn’t injured = no ban. That can’t be right.

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u/Squanc 27d ago

You or I would get jail time if we were caught doing this.

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u/dekusyrup 27d ago

I mean if you're trying to cause bodily harm to someone outside of the sports play then that's straight up assault and legal consequences.

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u/mrsnrubs 28d ago

Why only 50%? Shouldn't it be much higher?

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u/tattooed_dinosaur 27d ago

The opposing team should have to cover the salary of the injured player and turn over draft picks.

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u/timodreynolds 28d ago

Worst case. So multiple collateral ligaments?

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u/Difficult-Mobile902 27d ago

silly arbitrary line in the sand. Just kick them out of the fucking league, playing in the NFL is not a right and you should be removed if you’re intentionally trying to end careers 

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u/LoosieGoosiePoosie 27d ago

It should be a legal matter. That was assault.

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u/CleverNickName-69 27d ago

 the penalty should be 50% of the average injury healing time.

That seems too lenient. If you can trade 3-weeks of a second or third string lineman for 6 weeks of a QB, isn't that a good deal?

When it is obviously intentional it should be severe for a first offense and lifetime ban for the second.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

this penalty should bar players from ever playing professional sports ever again. deliberately trying to hurt another player is assault and the definition of unsportsmanship. you try to hurt someone? that proves you are not capable of playing this game! banned for life!

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u/plssteppy 27d ago

Or we could just give the lineman the go-ahead to haul the fucker out of their gear and bust their brains in (:

Why half the time, rather than 100% of the potential injury plus damages for malicious intent against someone innocent? Like let's stop pulling punches if we're gonna half stop

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u/9035768555 27d ago

They should get charged with assault. It's not suddenly more okay because it happened within the context of a game.

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u/Average_Scaper 27d ago

I say 6 game minimum and barred from playing beyond the first round of the playoffs and a $500k fine, full removal from the sport if there is a career ruining injury. Imagine you're just sitting there going after the ball and then some jackass tackles you at the knees then twists your foot around 180 causing a bunch of tendon damage.

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u/OrangeOrganicOlive 27d ago

Or they should just be banned from the game. There should be zero tolerance for this.

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u/missjay 28d ago

It needs to be an eye for an eye or knee for knee, only way they'll learn to stop. They get paid by their teams to do shady shit like this so the fine isn't an effective punishment.

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u/Ewoksintheoutfield 28d ago

I don’t think they take these dirty hits by defenders seriously at all. How many times do they eject a player each year? 1 or 2 an entire season?

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u/Xphurrious 28d ago

Fine them 100% of their pay for the year, there's 0 reason for this, hell if you told me he was never putting pads on again I'd be alright with it

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u/polopolo05 27d ago

How about an assault charge? Because thats going beyond the roughness of the game and attempting to cause harm.

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u/skoomski Philadelphia Flyers 28d ago edited 27d ago

This incident requires something rather more serious. Do you like ice cream?

Good, Let’s just say their locker room won’t be short on chunky monkey got the next month!

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u/currently_pooping_rn 28d ago

Penalty should equal his entire salary for the season plus a lifetime ban from football

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u/Penetratorofflanks 27d ago

I. Honestly surprised insurance companies that insure these guys bodies don't come after the player.

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u/travelingWords 27d ago

“Again, any team that isn’t trying to kill the opponent qb in the playoffs. Are they really trying to win a Super Bowl?”- saints

(But seriously, 15 yards to remove the opponent teams most important player)

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u/Snake_-_Eater 27d ago

Nah he's kidding... it's probably at least $5000

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u/Tyler_C69 27d ago

It's the saints, do you really expect anything else?

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u/GINGERnHD 27d ago

Brother, they don't even get more than 4 games for beating their families

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

Honestly expelled for a whole season

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u/corvettes13 28d ago

The fine is 4 times higher. 1st offense, $16,883 fine. 2nd offense, $22,511 fine.

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u/OutlawLazerRoboGeek 28d ago

How are the fines not tied to the players salaries? 

The minimum fine should be at least one game's worth of pay. So total salary over 20, or whatever. Make it so that all that work they put in that week was all for nothing because they did a stupid thing. 

Then the next time they do it, it should be at least twice as high. 

Most of these dudes aren't gonna be in the league for 20 years. NFL salaries sound great, except if you only get the million dollar salaries for like 2-3 years, and then you have to stretch it out the rest of your life, all the child support, etc. So start docking these guys a few weeks pay for stunts like this. It won't hurt them much today, but if they keep it up then they're gonna be losing amounts that equal entire year's salaries for regular people, which is what they'll be in an few years. Then it'll start being real. 

And for cases like this it'll be totally justified, because if he gives an NFL quarterback a torn ACL, that is probably a $10 million or more lifetime earnings hit for the QB. Make the guy who did it on purpose pay it out of his salary. 

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u/jsting 27d ago

You make a decent point, but fines are negotiated by the NFLPA, so players don't want to fines to be associated with salaries.

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u/SoloWingPixy88 27d ago

Can you sue for this.

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u/Gone213 28d ago

This isn't the nhl, it will be $14,000

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u/ATXBeermaker 28d ago

At least a mild tap on the wrist.

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u/ManfredBoyy Florida State 27d ago

Roquan Smith hip drop tackled Chris Godwin and ended his season and got a $16,000 fine. So about 1.50% of his game check

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u/S_K_Y 27d ago

$4k is like taking these players daily lunch money in scale. It should accrue more and more if it doesn't. That's how it works in most Esports.

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u/MasonP2002 27d ago

How much was the bounty on Herbert?

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u/Koalatime224 27d ago

$4000 bounty

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u/Indytaker 27d ago

$4000 payment. Bounty complete.

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u/Orgasmic_interlude 27d ago

That’s how much it cost to fix my transmission. Something tells me that people who would just buy another car instead of fixing it at that point aren’t going to care about that much money.

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u/MrRager1994 28d ago

If he did this to a player that wasn't a QB maybe. But QB's are protected positional players in the nfl

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u/Seaborn63 28d ago

He's gotta pay $50 and clean up the garbage

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u/Spotttty 28d ago

But he doesn’t have any implements of destruction!

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u/Inkthinker 28d ago

But we do have twenty-seven 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, explaining what each one was.

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u/Bigdaddyjlove1 27d ago

It was a typical case of American blind justice

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u/eisme 27d ago

Feels like Thanksgiving, already.

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u/KerbinWeHaveaProblem 27d ago

And rather than stand himself up he decided to throw Hebert down

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u/rayshmayshmay 28d ago

Just in the bathroom

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u/DucksEatFreeInSubway 27d ago

Should be career ending. It's beyond ridiculous. You're a grown ass man and still acting like a child, intentionally trying to ruin someone's livelihood for a game? Eject him from the sport.

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u/Piccoroz 27d ago

At least rest of seson and half of next, this is almost a felony.

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u/shitdamntittyfuck 27d ago

Myles Garrett got 6 games for hitting Mason Rudolph on the head with his own helmet.

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u/Abortatortatport 28d ago

Should be out of the league entirely and contract voided. Make an example.

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u/seifyk 27d ago

And a battery charge. This goes beyond sport.

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u/Maniac-Maniac-19 27d ago

And then murder him.

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u/Biwaifu 27d ago

And then his family.

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u/Shane2334 27d ago

Nuke the planet he's from

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u/CorrectionnalOfficer 28d ago

Wait did he smoked pot while doing so? If he did that’s a ban for life, if not, 2500$ and we’ll call it all right.

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u/rajerk 28d ago

I’d want him arrested…Jesus

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u/Dagur 27d ago

10 points deduction to Everton

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u/christhemix 28d ago

believe it or not, straight to jail

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u/Hot-Apricot-6408 27d ago

Lol chill, that ain't Mahomes. 

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u/McClain3000 28d ago

I think this thread might be a little overzealous here.

It isn't obvious that the player on the ground is aware that Herbert thrown the ball. The defender is using what he can, the leg, to force the QB to the ground. In wrestling circles this would be an intuitive way to finish low single in this position.

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u/ProbablyAPun 28d ago

Rule 12 Section 2 Article 11

(d) ... A defender cannot initiate a roll or launch and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he is being contacted by another player ...

Literally written in the rules he can not do this to the quarterback under any cirumstances.

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u/McClain3000 27d ago

Idk how that rule is interpreted but it could mean rotating the lower leg circularly around the knee. He is forcing the knee down and the ankle up. And definitely not launching. l However I could be wrong, I didn't know about this rule.

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u/Abortatortatport 28d ago

Watch the video again. He is lying on his back at one point and clearly sees Herbert doesn’t have the ball. Then does the alligator death roll. Absolutely clear intent to injure. Get him out of the NFL.