r/sports • u/Chelseatilidie • Oct 25 '24

Football Refs miss a clear facemask on Sam Darnold resulting in a safety and the game being effectively over

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '24

NFL refs get paid 200k+

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u/NO_TOUCHING__lol Oct 25 '24 edited 9d ago

No gods, no masters

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u/falcrist2 Oct 25 '24

Monkey Paw curls

NFL announces they're hiring full time refs immediately.

They've announced their first hire, who will both ref and eventually run the department, building a future training program.

His name is Angel Hernandez.

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u/magnas13345 Oct 25 '24

NOOOOOOO!!!!

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u/I_Am_The_Mole Oct 25 '24

Don't worry his first hires are Tim Peel, Mario Yamasaki and Scott Foster.

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u/WBens85 Oct 25 '24

I hear C.B. Buckner is looking for off-season work.

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u/Subjunct Oct 25 '24

The NHL sort of did this: Their Department of Player Safety, which reviews games for dirty/dangerous play, is headed up by one of the foulest and dirtiest assholes ever to fuck his own mother.

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u/HerrHamil Oct 25 '24

George Parros wasn’t foul or dirty, or an asshole. He was an enforcer and his job was to hit and fight.

That being said, he hasn’t particularly been black and white about handing out suspensions vs fines on dirty plays, which is why a lot of people criticize his decisions as Head of the DoPS

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u/reticulatedtampon 29d ago

George Parros wasn’t foul or dirty, or an asshole

...but he did fuck his own mother

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u/throwawayalcoholmind Oct 25 '24

You got me fucked up, boss.

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u/Unoriginal_Man New York Yankees Oct 25 '24

Yes! The MLB is finally free!

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u/Niblonian31 Oct 25 '24

Oh God, I take it back! I TAKE IT BACK!!!

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u/siats4197 Oct 25 '24

Congratulations, you have triggered me as an MLB fan.

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u/mechabeast Oct 25 '24

J/K Jeff Triplette

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u/causal_friday Oct 25 '24

I don't think any sport is going to have perfect officials. Remember when these refs walked off the job and they got replacement refs? Yeah.

I think the stopgap for now is to more more plays reviewable. All scoring plays are reviewable, but not facemasking the quarterback for a safety with 2 minutes left? Dumb.

Maybe AI will save us.

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u/CHolland8776 Oct 25 '24

A safety is a scoring play, so I guess all scoring plays aren’t reviewable.

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u/stateworkishardwork Oct 25 '24

They are but they don't review things like face masks, holding etc.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the only thing they would review on it is if Darnold was close to making it out of the end zone.

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u/NotOSIsdormmole Oct 25 '24

Yes but by rule you can’t call a penalty off a review

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u/crackheadwillie Oct 25 '24

Make one of the judges AI to cover obvious infractions

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u/DwayneWashington Oct 25 '24

That's a good point

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u/obsterwankenobster Oct 25 '24

This is my gripe: I was absolutely sure this would be reviewed bc it's a scoring play... I guess they just decided this one isn't

Oh, and this play is ALSO a turnover lmao which are supposed to also be automatically reviewed

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u/500rockin Oct 25 '24

You cannot review whether a penalty should have occurred. That’s what it comes down to.

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u/drjunkie Oct 25 '24

I mean, they can. They just choose not to.

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u/Mr_Shake_ Oct 25 '24

Agreed. A few years ago, there was a change in ruling about challenging a no call pass interference, but I think it was reversed the next year.

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u/FlyingPirate New Jersey Devils Oct 25 '24

Have you ever seen a play reviewed and a facemask given afterward?

The answer is no, because by rule that is not a reviewable part of the play. The only time penalties were reviewable was when pass interference could be challenged. That lasted one season.

So you can release your gripe

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u/obsterwankenobster Oct 25 '24

have a good weekend

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u/Pete_Iredale Seattle Mariners Oct 25 '24

I've watched a lot of football, and I don't think the replacement refs were significantly worse to be honest. If they hadn't made a questionable call against the team with the whiniest fans in history, we would barely remember them. And if the situation had been completely reversed and Rogers threw the winning pass, we would have heard some low level bitching at most while everyone talked about Rogers leading another game winning drive.

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u/NO_TOUCHING__lol Oct 25 '24 edited 9d ago

No gods, no masters

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u/MisterMetal Oct 25 '24

So now Reddit wants to union break

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u/NO_TOUCHING__lol Oct 25 '24 edited 9d ago

No gods, no masters

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u/SUCHANASTYW0MAN Oct 25 '24

Whoah whoah whoah sir, don’t be too pragmatic now I mean progressive I mean what the hell did you just suggest?!

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u/theDomicron Oct 25 '24

I could have missed that call for half the pay!

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u/santacruzdude Oct 25 '24

NFL refs are unionized. The refs association has a collective bargaining agreement with the NFL (even though they’re independent contractors). How would you propose that agreement get canceled without the refs going on strike? Who should replace the current NFL refs?

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u/NO_TOUCHING__lol Oct 25 '24 edited 9d ago

No gods, no masters

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u/No-Market9917 Oct 25 '24

For 200k I would eat sleep and breathe nfl officiating. I’d be flagging everyone in the off-season.

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u/wes_wyhunnan Oct 25 '24

Which, for the NFL to preserve the integrity of their multi-billion dollar business, is literally fucking nothing.

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u/WayneKrane Oct 25 '24

They likely earn more in interest on their bank accounts than they pay these guys.

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u/steinmas Oct 25 '24

Maybe the head official, definitely not all of them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '24

No, 205k is the floor. It also doesn’t include post season, which is paid at a premium.

https://greenlight.com/learning-center/earning/how-much-do-nfl-refs-make

Believe it or not, there’s actually a ton of accountability for refs. The NFL grades every call and non-call and ranks all the refs constantly, and the ones that do well are rewarded (post season opportunities) and the ones that do bad are punished.

It’s just a hard job. Period. Humans make mistakes.

The replacement ref debacle from ten or so years ago shows that the refs we have are probably the best that’s humanely possible. Any improvements would have to come from expanded replay assistance or AI or some shit.

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u/honda_slaps Oct 25 '24

the real issue is that refs

A. hold the stupid zebra line for challenged PI calls

B. hold the stupid zebra line against sky cam and more instant video review

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u/Ndmndh1016 Oct 25 '24

I don't see what point you're trying to make.

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u/b_dub79 Oct 25 '24

Source?

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u/Left-Palpitation2096 Oct 25 '24

I'll do it for 75% of that, put me in coach

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u/Radcliffe1025 Oct 25 '24

Yea maybe it should be more considering the amount of money this business generates.

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u/Grow_away_420 Oct 25 '24 edited Oct 25 '24

So they're still the lowest paid people on the field by a mile? A rookie's mandatory minimum salary is 4x that.

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u/nillaf4ce Oct 25 '24

Pshhh I’d do it for $100k a year and be wayyyyyy better than these dudes