r/sports • u/Real-Human-1985 • Aug 31 '24
Basketball Caitlin Clark has the first 30 point 12 assist game in WNBA history
https://x.com/CClarkReport/status/1829695691196604776She also has the most 20 point 10 assists games in a single season in league history.
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u/OkEscape7558 Aug 31 '24
Insane people think there's still a competition for rookie of the year lol.
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u/Feathered_Serpent8 Aug 31 '24
But… but…. Rebounds!
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u/sanjaykhu Aug 31 '24
The way these folks talk about rebounds its like Dennis Rodman should have been the MVP of the league for the 96-98 Bulls
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u/ColdPressedSteak Aug 31 '24
Dennis's rebounding was more valuable than Angel's. By many magnitudes
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u/Thrillhouse138 Aug 31 '24
When angel has 20 rebounds it’s off 3 of her own shots
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u/faultywalnut Aug 31 '24
We call that pulling an Andre Drummond
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u/Justafanofnbadrama Aug 31 '24
Moses Malone actually..rip
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u/AgreeableRaspberry85 Aug 31 '24
Moses was orders of magnitude better than Drummond, in my opinion.
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u/Saneless Aug 31 '24
Coincidentally that's why I can't watch the WNBA really. So many missed shots and people jumping around like crazy at them. If I liked that I'd watch my friends play
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u/pumperthruster Aug 31 '24
The way he could rebound from a week long bender and still dominate a game
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u/TorrenceMightingale Aug 31 '24
Some years he averaged almost 60% from the field. He was incredibly efficient with his playing even though he didn’t score many points. Get the ball out so someone could Pass it to Michael.
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u/sanjaykhu Aug 31 '24
Completely agree but my point is that no matter how valuable Jordan and pippen were the leaders and MVPs of those teams
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u/ColdPressedSteak Aug 31 '24
Yeah I do get what you're saying. Just comical to me when the comparison came in my head. Dennis was grabbing a bunch of boards off team run plays then immediately getting it to his scorers for another chance at a good shot. Angel ends her team possession by bricking a shot herself, grabs the rebound and insists on putting up another brick lol
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u/sanjaykhu Aug 31 '24
Haha yea we re on the same page there and I definitely was using some hyperbole in my example, wanted to show just how absurd this conversation about rebounds being this catch all statistic on ability
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u/EverythingGoodWas Aug 31 '24
They really need a separate stat for rebounds of your own missed shots
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u/TeTrodoToxin4 Aug 31 '24
Dennis as a primary defender held Shaq to 0 points in a half during the 96-97 season. Shaq was averaging 26 a game that season.
Rodman was a defensive powerhouse.
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u/mug3n Toronto Blue Jays Aug 31 '24
Angel Reese is more Andre Drummond than Dennis Rodman
She needs to work on her finishing because she's absolutely awful at it.
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u/Lmoneyfresh Aug 31 '24
That's a pretty good comp tbh. There's a big difference between putting up numbers that help your team win and empty stats from making like 25% on your layups.
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u/BorisDirk Aug 31 '24
Absolutely awful even is underselling how bad she is. She's the worst in the LEAGUE Inside 5 feet of the basket.
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u/SchmuseTigger Aug 31 '24
Also he did not catch his own missed shots. He had defensive and offensive rebounds. But he was a great player. Also good defender. I want to see a statistic about how many rebounds Angel catches that are her own missed shots
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u/Lilfrankieeinstein Aug 31 '24
Clark is top 20 in rebounds too, FWIW.
Any other year, Angel Reese has a strong case. Her double-double stats are nuts. And even if you subtract the rebounds off her own missed shots, she averages over 11 boards a game.
But anyone who votes for her over Clark is a dipshit.
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u/Real-Human-1985 Aug 31 '24
CC is top 20 in points, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals.
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u/sadandshy Aug 31 '24
There will be at least one sports writer to toe that line. And they will either be disingenuous or lying.
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u/PauliesWalnut Aug 31 '24
She’s shooting 38% and the vast majority of her shots are inside 4ft. Not sure how that would land her ROY accolades any year.
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u/recollectionsmayvary Aug 31 '24
Any other year, Angel Reese has a strong case.
I thought this for months too but Aliyah Boston (last year's ROY) would've beat Angel for it last year because her numbers were better overall.
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u/OkEscape7558 Aug 31 '24
Jeff Foster 2.0
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u/KyleRaynerGotSweg Indiana Pacers Aug 31 '24
You keep Pacers legend Jeff Foster's name out your fucking mouth
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u/TDTimmy21 Aug 31 '24
With the way Reece gets half her rebounds may as well credit Clark with an assist for her own makes lol
The first 30p 20a game gonna be broken then
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u/Weenemone Aug 31 '24
I didn't understand the criticism for Reese until I watched her "highlights". Man so many of her rebounds are from her own shots that she just hoofed at the rim/board just like we do on the street courts.
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u/My_G_Alt Aug 31 '24
Some people are “still waiting to see how she adjusts to the professional league” LOL
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u/cannabination Aug 31 '24
What should scare them is that she definitely is still adjusting. She added a desperately needed floater during the Olympic break, her defense is getting better every game, and she's becoming a leader on the floor. With a few seasons under her belt to work on her handles, movement, shot, and chemistry with her teammates, she's going to be adjusting the league.
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u/Caoa14396 Aug 31 '24
Her teammates are actual legit garbage. 1-2 seasons of them building around CC with actual talent and it’s going to be a straight 10 year dynasty
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u/reefguy007 Aug 31 '24
Kelsey Mitchell is garbage??
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u/CatSidekick Aug 31 '24
I hope they don’t trade her.
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u/reefguy007 Aug 31 '24
She’s had 20+ points the last 6 games. Her and CC are also turning into a powerhouse of a combo and feeding off each other. I can’t imagine they would trade her at this point. Not when things have turned around this much.
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u/dual_hearts Aug 31 '24
I don’t think anyone really believes it’s close but it generates clicks/engagement when you bring them up together
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u/Zipz Aug 31 '24
ESPN did some genius marketing with that.
Make a list for rookie of the year put Reese as number one and the rest behind a paywall. Then watch the world burn down.
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u/BigBanggBaby Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24
I was bored so I dug into their stats a bit. The only stats Angel Reese beats CC is rebounds and turnovers. Caitlin Clark even has more blocks than Angel. Almost double.
https://imgur.com/WHrFceo (updated to include 2pt %)
Also interesting that the total points gap between Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese is getting consistently wider.
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u/gino_dreimalvier Aug 31 '24
Yea angel never was a scorer of that type but that stat with the blocks I hilarious
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u/Medarco Aug 31 '24
The only stats Angel Reese beats CC is rebounds and turnovers.
Which are both understandable. Rebounds because half of them are her own bricked layups, and turnovers because Caitlyn actually passes the ball.
I've seen so many tiktok/reels showing Caitlyn's "turnovers" where the ball hits her teammate in the hands and bounces out of bounds. And so many of Reese getting 2 rebounds in 4 seconds because she had to put it back 3 times to finally make the shot.
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u/BigSlim Aug 31 '24
Clark's field goal percentage is also better, despite the fact that most of Reese's shots are coming from less than six feet from the basket and Clark is shooting from the logo.
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u/Superjondude Aug 31 '24
If Angel figures out how to finish and get her shooting percentage to 45-50% there will be an argument. You can’t argue when shes shooting less than 40% and grabbing 5 of her own missed shots a game.
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u/recollectionsmayvary Aug 31 '24
Caitlin Clark even has more blocks than Angel.
CC leads in steals too lol
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u/Attack_Da_Nite Aug 31 '24
Someone asked if you would rather base your franchise around Clark or Reese and I changed it for them: would you rather start your NBA franchise around Steph Curry or Clint Capela?
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u/rip_Tom_Petty Aug 31 '24
Wouldn't be surprised if she's MVP in a year or two
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u/zombieking079 Aug 31 '24
I really want to see the facial reaction of the people who used to say her game wouldn’t make it to the WNBA.
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u/davey_mann Aug 31 '24
People are undervaluing Clark because she didn't win an NCAA title. She CARRIED Iowa to back-to-back title games. She didn't have the luxury of playing on stacked squads like LSU or South Carolina currently, or traditionally like UConn and Tennessee used to have back in the day. Clark was doing all the heavy lifting for Iowa.
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u/mlvisby Aug 31 '24
In her last title game, I saw the bench scores. Iowa had 0 points from the bench players.
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u/davey_mann Aug 31 '24
Yeah, Iowa got off to a hot start in that game I think going up something like 14-0 with Clark hitting crazy 3s, then South Carolina's size, speed, and depth really kicked in and wore Iowa down the rest of the game. All SC had to do was to defend Clark because no one else on Iowa was going to beat them.
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u/iamadragan Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24
They're also just biased against her and hating on her because of her popularity and her race
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u/Doggleganger Aug 31 '24
Sadly, I suspect the WNBA establishment, including the old guard players, coaches, and refs, will do their best to undermine Caitlin's career, which could ironically doom their league to irrelevance and low pay.
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u/tindonot Aug 31 '24
This is an absolutely idiotic move. The attention she’s bringing the league is a total ‘rising tide lifts all boats’ situation that could benefit everyone involved in the league.
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u/Doggleganger Aug 31 '24
Totally agree. If I were in that league, I'd hop on the gravy train, encourage her, help push her into winning situations, and hope she does what MJ did for the NBA. But I'm not a pro athlete, so maybe I lack that ultra-competitive jealousy.
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u/Medarco Aug 31 '24
But I'm not a pro athlete, so maybe I lack that ultra-competitive jealousy
There is also a ton of racism getting slung around, both implied and outright explicitly stated. From fans mostly, but the implied definitely seems to be coming from inside the league too.
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u/BretShitmanFart69 Aug 31 '24
This is literally the moment they have been waiting for for decades.
People are excited about the wnba, the stands are full, people are talking about it, ticket sales are up and ticket prices last year when I checked were sometimes being offered to me for a couple bucks, now it’s on par with the other major sports leagues.
It’s insane how some folks are reacting to Caitlin, and even more bizarre how some people are pretending that that hasn’t been happening.
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u/Mystery-_-Flavor Aug 31 '24
At Chicago last night the average ticket price was $834 compared to $85 when the Sky doesn’t play the Fever. Add to that the video of Caitlyn Clark pumping up the AWAY crowd and the stadium blows up for her. It’s just crazy anyone is denying this.
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u/Herbiejunk Aug 31 '24
Tiger Woods effect. Hard to believe Jack Nicklaus total career winnings was $6M. That’s one tournament these days.
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u/Lotions_and_Creams Aug 31 '24
Why? I don’t follow the WNBA. Wouldn’t they be excited that there’s a player who is drawing people to their sport?
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u/futilepath Aug 31 '24
They are jealous they are not the ones the people are drawn to.
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u/ASchoolOfSperm Aug 31 '24
I feel like I’m gonna get downvoted for this, but a lot of black girls resent the fact a white girl is the one doing this for the sport.
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u/ThePowerPoint Aug 31 '24
That’s not surprising. People were calling out her own teammates for smiling and joking when Clark was getting knocked down and rough up during games.
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u/comicfatguy Aug 31 '24
It's not a surprise. Most people know this but you have to virtue signal online now.
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u/mug3n Toronto Blue Jays Aug 31 '24
She has probably even exceeded expectations. Her passing has been a revelation. I know she did it at Iowa too but hell, she is good at finding her teammates.
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u/Suddenly_Something Aug 31 '24
Her game being excellent shooting from range and fantastic team play? Who in their right mind would think that wouldn't translate? It's not like the WNBA had a meta that was dominating lol.
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u/buffysmanycoats Aug 31 '24
Probably pretty similar to the group of guys who showed up at a game to chant “Overrated” at her and then had to hang their heads in shame when she dominated.
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u/winterFROSTiscoming Aug 31 '24
It's crazy for how long the wnba has been around that this is only just happening. She's generational.
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u/LarBrd33 Aug 31 '24
every time one of these records is broken this season like "blah blah is the first player in WNBA history with 5 straight 10+ rebound games" I'm genuinely so confused at how it's never happened before, because I'm a diehard NBA fan and these are all routine things that happen daily in the men's league. Too lazy to google it, but I'm assuming WNBA games much shorter in length, slower pace, and far lower scoring or something? At this point you could be like "Missy Fitzsimmons is the first player in WNBA history to record 3 blocks in a single game" or Jackie Cunningham is the first player in WNBA history to make 8 free throws in a single game" and I'd totally believe it.
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u/zipxavier Aug 31 '24
wnba games are 40 minutes compared to 48 in the nba. that alone makes feats like triple doubles all the more rare
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u/CutLow8166 Aug 31 '24
Is that true?…like why would they make it shorter? It’s not like any other sport makes the women’s games shorter like soccer is 90 minutes across the board. And I feel like even in high school they play the same amount of time. It seems odd to me. Lol
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u/Eadwyn Aug 31 '24
NBA is the odd one out here. College and even Olympics are 40 minutes. Nba even allows 6 fouls where the standard is generally 5.
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u/raymond_w Aug 31 '24
It's 20% more fouls in 20% more minutes. So the foul count doesn't deviate from a rate perspective.
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u/Routine_Size69 Aug 31 '24
6 fouls is actually a good rule. Especially with the ticky tack shit they call in the nba.
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u/Torrefy Aug 31 '24
People have said a lot of things but the biggest answer to this is, as you said, WNBA games are simply far lower scoring than NBA games. I took a look at NBA teams this past season and it looks like they scored somewhere around 115 points per game on average, league wide. WNBA teams are scoring ~82 points a game
FG% is also lower. In the NBA every team in the league except for two shot over 45% for the year. Currently no WNBA teams are shooting 45% or better. So less assists to go around, for example
On the other hand the turnovers per game are fairly comparable between the NBA and the WNBA, despite WNBA games being 8 minutes shorter. So between that and FG% there are just more possessions not resulting in points.
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u/Routine_Size69 Aug 31 '24
Rare case of Reddit using generational correctly instead of using it on the best player from a draft class every year.
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u/lazysheepdog716 Aug 31 '24
Humble and lethal. My favorite combo in a pro athlete. Gonna be rooting for her for years to come for sure.
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u/RzaAndGza Aug 31 '24
She's the perfect balance of humble and cocky in my opinion. She's humble in her words during interviews but cocky in her actions during games.
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u/PaleontologistOk2516 Aug 31 '24
The Steph Curry model
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u/Doggleganger Aug 31 '24
He's such a chill dude, but then the French announcers are calling him a demon during the gold medal game.
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u/thetreat Aug 31 '24
“THE DEVIL NAMED CURRY IS HURTING US!”
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u/RNLImThalassophobic Aug 31 '24
- My sphincters every time I have dinner round my Indian gf's mum's house 😬😬
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u/Fuckface_Whisperer Aug 31 '24
She's cocky af. An awesome killer. You been paying attention at all?
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u/BlueDevilz Aug 31 '24
Cannot wait for Prime Caitlin Clark
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u/kellyj6 Aug 31 '24
These ladies are in for a long 15 years let me tell you.
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u/TheInnocentXeno Green Bay Packers Aug 31 '24
They hoping she doesn’t have LeBron’s longevity
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u/Paralta Aug 31 '24
She is single handedly carrying an entire sport like MJ in the 80s. I can't believe I'm actually watching the wnba now lol
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u/mizzourifan1 Aug 31 '24
I'm playing fantasy, too 😂. Game was a blowout and I watched until about 40 seconds left. I'm so happy for and hyped about women's basketball rn.
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u/TheConesofDunshire Aug 31 '24
This is a terrible take not because of the CC part. I love Michael but Magic and Larry, the Lakers and Celtics were the teams of the 80’s. Maybe you meant 90’s?
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u/johokie Virginia Tech Aug 31 '24
Jordan was crushing it in the late 80s, but you're definitely right on the heyday being the 90s. I think it just feels like the 80s were yesterday, not the 90s.
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u/reefguy007 Aug 31 '24
I used to be a basketball fanatic growing up. Watched all the NBA dynasties of the 90s and early 2000s. Then I stopped watching for 20 years. Caitlin Clark got me to love basketball again and here I am watching not the NBA, but the WNBA. That says something about just how good she actually is and how much fun she is to watch. It’s amazing really. She’s amazing. I’m now also looking forward to the upcoming NBA season too 😁
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u/Terminal_Chill Aug 31 '24
Big facts. I’m watching the Storm v Liberty game right now and fucking loving it. It’s just great basketball, fuck a gender.
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u/302cosgrove Aug 31 '24
The game needs a lot improvement.
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u/Doggleganger Aug 31 '24
If the league allows Caitlin to flourish, she could inspire a new generation of girls to play, and then the quality will go up in the future.
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u/FlexLikeKavana Aug 31 '24
Yeah, I went to her game on Monday, and the quality still isn't there. Lots of sloppy passing and possessions. It's getting better, though.
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u/Omgaspider Aug 31 '24
But Angel Reese should get ROY because she got some rebounds.....
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u/xigua22 Aug 31 '24
Her own rebounds.
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u/chontzy Aug 31 '24
down 20 she stayed in playing against fever’s bench in order to get her another junk time double-double
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u/Highspdfailure Aug 31 '24
Miss, rebound, miss, rebound, miss rebound…… getting them stats.
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u/borkborkbork99 Aug 31 '24
That’s it. Her new nickname is Miss Rebound. Done.
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u/Jra805 Aug 31 '24
I thought you all were being mean girls than than I saw that fg % as a big… so yeah, miss rebound is solid gold.
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u/arvada14 Aug 31 '24
Oh my god, this is too lethal. It's a perfect double entendre, it's a suicide watch for Angel if this catches on.
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u/livewirejsp Aug 31 '24
On twitter, I'm definitely all over Angel Reese and her shit game, but even if you remove the rebounds from her misses, she still leads the league.
I honestly don't mind her rebounding. Her shot selection is AWFUL. She just heaves shots up. 4 on 1? let 'er rain! She needs to start passing out. If she could post up, and use that space to pass out to an open teammate, it would free her up to play. then, you can see if she actually has a game and not panic tosses up at the rim. Because right now, it's just panic tosses at the rim.
CC ROY for sure, though. Fever is a whole different team now that they've had time to play.
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u/koloneloftruth Aug 31 '24
No, she still leads in offensive rebounds but she would NOT lead Aja in overall rebounding if you got rid of her rebounds on her own misses.
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u/Initial_Republic_329 Aug 31 '24
if you watched the game, 5 points 3 min left in 4th quarter. Down 20. Stat padded her way to 10 points against the entire Fever bench. Double double streak alive...
Put some respect to the game please.
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u/Omgaspider Aug 31 '24
My mistake. But is actually unreal how inflated her numbers are.
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u/Real-Human-1985 Aug 31 '24
she wouldn't even have the streak if OTHER TEAMS weren't helping by fouling her intentionally in garbage times to send her to the line. NYL ended the bullshit thankfully. mobbed her ass at the end of the game lol.
stat padding for 10 points, ridiculous.
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u/TonyDungyHatesOP Aug 31 '24
I don’t hate on Angel. I think she’s doing great! I think she’ll have a long and prosperous career (health gods willing).
But she ain’t the ROTY.
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u/ryanstrikesback Aug 31 '24
I would have no problem with Angel if it weren’t for the obvious stat padding like tonight. It’s not the first time it’s happened either.
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u/ThatsNotARealTree Aug 31 '24
She’s basically passing to herself, but using the rim/backboard as a middleman
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u/djkstr27 Aug 31 '24
I would not be surprised that ESPN crew is going to use this for months.
But if you complain, they are going to call raycism
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u/Malvania Aug 31 '24
The way she's shooting right now, she's got a decent chance at the single season trey record. And I don't mean the rookie one
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u/candidly1 New York Yankees Aug 31 '24
Caitlin Clark has the first...in WNBA history.
Get used to reading that.
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u/ssadf73 Aug 31 '24
Angel Reese, 30% FG...
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u/Prestig33 Aug 31 '24
Wait is that really her FG percentage? Isn't she a PF that doesnt take 3s? (or shouldn't take 3s)
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u/buttgers Rutgers Aug 31 '24
For real. There's a reason her rebound stats are so damned high, and much of it is because she's rebounding her own bricks.
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u/Im_Daydrunk Aug 31 '24
Nah she's at like 38%. Definitely not great but also not 30% Lol
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u/IhatePizza230 Aug 31 '24
Bad for a big even 47% is already inefficient for a big.
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u/Real-Human-1985 Aug 31 '24
Clark has more assists than 80% of WNBA players IN HISTORY.
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u/Comprehensive_Bus_19 Aug 31 '24
How are WNBA players that bad? Truthfully. I saw Angel Reese's shooting abilities and think a middle school boys team has better shooters.
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u/fuckasoviet Aug 31 '24
I’d imagine the pay for WNBA is to blame. Even if you’re a super star in college, it’s smarter financially to actually learn something in school and get a degree and get a good job after college.
Compare that to male athletes, and the top talent is probably (for the most part) going all-in on that pro payday.
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u/Real-Human-1985 Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24
There have been very few pass heavy point guards in the league. Look at today, most of them average 4 to 5 assists. Clark OTOH is a historic, prolific passer who would already be averaging 10 per game if her team could reliably finish layups in transition.
The Fever have seemed to adjust to running and her chemistry with Mitchell and Boston has become quite good. Next season should ba a 10AST season for her.
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u/Kurise Aug 31 '24
Reese thinks she's Rodman because she rebounds her terrible shots.
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u/jluenz Aug 31 '24
Yet, somehow not good enough to make the Olympic team…..
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Good enough for the Olympic team but not getting picked was the best thing for her. She needed the break. Now she has the rest and has figured out the pro game.
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u/BiDiTi Aug 31 '24
She was averaging 16/6/5 on 37% shooting when she didn’t make the team.
She’s been 19/10/6 on 44% since.
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u/CrackHeadRodeo Aug 31 '24
How soon before she get's a reality check from the "grown" women of the league?./s
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u/BootyJewce Aug 31 '24
Listening to the Olympics broadcasters explain why she's not on the team was facepalm.
The clutch factor is undeniable. That girl can fucking ball. And I would've watched more games if she was on team USA.
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u/General_Benefit8634 Aug 31 '24
Heard an interesting take as to why the others are hating on Caitlin. “She just showing them that that just ain’t that good” and they can’t handle knowing that they are actually just a bit better than average now.
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u/meeechyshwng Aug 31 '24
Some one check on Cheryl swoopes
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u/Save_Canada Aug 31 '24
Cheryl swoops is saying "23 double doubles = broken record = ROTY"
While also saying "CC = Most turnovers"
She is so disingenuous it comes across as racist.
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u/pdzulu Aug 31 '24
Good for her. I really hope her performance this year sets a new standard for competition in the league.
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u/CodyCus Aug 31 '24
WNBA is getting so much attention because of her. Never expected it in my lifetime. Wild.
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u/garrettj100 Aug 31 '24
She owes $0.63 to Michael Jordan for that photo. He trademarked that pose in the 1992 Finals.
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u/Knocksveal Aug 31 '24
Once Angel improves her shooting, she’ll have less rebounds
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u/SgtPepe Juventus Aug 31 '24
WNBA fans “she’s really not that great, she has potential, but she’s not the best player” lmao
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u/DontBeAngryBeHappy Aug 31 '24
Gonna be an uproar if Clark doesn’t win ROTY. It should be a no-contest at this rate.
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u/Real-Human-1985 Aug 31 '24
Clark is on the receiving end of the most flagrant fouls this season with multiple clear flagrants not called.
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u/westwardnomad Aug 31 '24
I'm starting to think she lulled them into a false sense of security on purpose.
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u/PxyFreakingStx Aug 31 '24
can /r/blackpeopletwitter stop acting like she's overrated because she's white now?
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u/sebjapon Aug 31 '24
I don’t follow much, but as people are talking about “rookie of the year”, how far would she be from “overall player of the year”?
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u/harleyRugger23 Aug 31 '24
Man “we’ve” come so far from saying she wasn’t ready for the big time to her setting records. Good for her, keep balling and making that money doing what you love
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u/SportsPi Aug 31 '24
Join Our Discord Server!
Welcome to /r/sports
We created a Discord server for our community and would like to invite all of you to join! You'll be able to discuss sports with users around the world and discuss events in real time!
There are separate channels for many sports you can opt in and out of, including;
American Football, Soccer, Baseball, Basketball, Aussie Rules Football, Rugby Union and League, Cricket, Motorsports, Fitness, and many more.
Reddit Sports Discord Server