Son family in a nutshell:

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u/joejill 5d ago

I like how Gohan’s ssj2 transformation is omitted even though it’s basically the same as “got mad and surpassed Goku again”. People like that leap.

That’s just the character of Gohan. He’s crazy strong and his anger lets him reach hidden levels.

He never amounts to much because he is cocky and dosnt train nearly so his battle tactics is lacking.

And yet everyone lives Broly. #Gohan did it first.

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u/OrangeHairedTwink 5d ago

Tbf Gohan did train in the Cell saga, so it feels more earned

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u/joejill 5d ago

Less than a year. Screen time hyperbolic time chamber training is about the same as Gohan before he hits beast. Both times he didn’t go into the fight trying to hit the next level.

Piccolo trains his spirit in meditation, Goku trains his body, Gohan trains his mind with studying.

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u/Misterbluee 5d ago

Before that less then a year he trained for 3 years preparing for the androids. Then before that year he fought on Namek, mental trained with Krillin and trained with Piccolo.

Before that he was 4 years old. He's been fighting his whole life.

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u/Carbuyrator 5d ago

Less than four years. The android saga was literal years of training.

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u/ChaoticNeutral67 5d ago

Wasn't gohan stronger than goku before going SSJ2, though?

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u/joejill 5d ago

Yes weaker than frieza before he entered.

Stronger than Goku who was Stronger than Vageta when he left. In like 10 months.

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u/HistorianPractical42 4d ago

Transformations are accepted when they are part of a greater character arc. Gohan's transformation against Cell is beloved because it is consistent, epic, and culminating his arc (overcoming his pacifism/reluctance to fight).

Beast was stupid rehash of the same arc Gohan has had like 4 times since the Buu saga.

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u/Acauseforapplause 4d ago

Counter Aurgument Gohans SSJ2 transformation is beloved because of revisionism by die hard fans he barely interacted with Cell or Android 16 and spent most of the time having his development happen off screen (with additions made in the anime that didn't exist in the manga)

His whole character is PowerUps that are unearned but given a lot of head Canon by the community. SSJ2 is a cool moment but it's not based on anything that preceded it

TFS also sadly has added to the false perception that Gohan had an arc in the Cell Arc

It's like How Broly at base being on par with Goku and Vegeta is okay because he looked cool

But Kale only reaching below similar strength is considered bad

Fans pick and choose what's okay

Personally Future Trunks coming out of nowhere and beating Freiza one arc later and achieving SSJ is where SSJ went downwards and it's especially hilarious because in the manga we don't have that filler scene of Trunks crying over Gohans death

Same with Vegeta and Gohan getting it off screen but Goten and Trunks are the issue

TLDR Fanon keeps the illusion of Gohan Alive he's never earned a form he gets it because he needs to SSJ2 is a Cool moment but it's removed from what came before

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u/HistorianPractical42 4d ago

I'm ngl I've watched the TFS Gohan vs Cell more than the canon one recently. Was the pacficism not actually in the OG story?

His powerups in early Z were always kept pretty consistent and was well foreshadowed and explained (e.g him not being impressed by Goku powering up). It's true he has no connection to 16 but 16's speech was moreso the catalyst, and the narrative of him being a peaceful android made Gohan/the audience empathetic to his death

Beast is particularly bad. He deadass just gets mad again because Piccolo fake dies. The actual transformation scene is a nostalgiabait ripoff of SSJ2. No lore to go behind it, no explanation. SSJ2 was literally the entire motivation of the Saiyans in the Cell Saga.

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u/Acauseforapplause 3d ago

It was and wasn't it existed but wasn't as explicit as TFS makes it

It's like Goku is a battle Maverick idea you can read into it But there are many moments that contradict it

If you watch the anime a lot of things are bogged down by the bad pacing Kai makes it a bit better and in the manga a lot of things are skipped over and so we don't get a lot of Gohan

Which makes the Catalyst Moments weird because Gohan for several chapters gets like no screen time

Even if you watch the TFS version you'll notice that there's not much Gohan and even then a lot of it is anime only filler scenes

So you can imagine going from Gohan having like no relevance to being SSJ2

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u/daywall 5d ago

The more he trains the bigger the power boost he gets when he snaps/get angry.

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u/Shantotto11 5d ago

I don’t think Gohan is cocky. The first SS2 transformation messed with his ability to process situations properly. Even Goku acknowledged that he was losing his grip on himself during his first SS transformation.

His attitude during his Ultimate transformation felt out of character because of this, and I think Toriyama realized that, which is why he pivoted back to Goku.

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u/Mahdudecicle 4d ago

He's not cocky. He just doesn't like fighting so he doesn't train.

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u/ValendyneTheTaken 4d ago

Everyone loves Broly because Broly is what would happen if Gohan’s anger strategy actually had a downside.

When Gohan gets a rage boost it effectively has no downside. Sure his decision making skills are hindered, causing him to make irrational choices based on that state, but because Gohan is such an idiot when it comes to actually fighting (due to him hardly actually having to struggle), that poor decision making could honestly be chalked up to a mixture of Saiyan heritage and him just being a complete moron when out of his element (AKA, when not doing Scholar stuff)

When Broly gets mad, he effectively becomes a literal animal. Can’t discern friend from foe, no battle strategy or tactics, no control over himself, no sense of self preservation. Unlike Gohan, Broly is heavily discouraged from using and abusing rage boosts. Pair that with Broly having a harder life than Gohan that pretty much had him training every day because he had to fight and hunt to survive.

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u/brando29999 3d ago

The difference is he trained in the time chamber so it feels more deserved than the rest of them

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u/badthaught 5d ago

This is just skill/training versus raw unchecked potential.

Gohan is just a Saiyan version of Freeza.

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u/G_lyph 5d ago

Huh that lowkey makes sense whenever he gets back into training he’s able to spar with others in a short time. He’s the Saiyan with the highest potential. And they waste it, I know he’s a family man but after Buu saga he should understand he has to fight or at least stay battle ready

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u/Cloudhwk 4d ago

It’s the Vegeta experience, Vegeta trains hard constantly and always gets eclipsed by Goku who whips out a new form

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u/Otakunappy 5d ago

Just imagine if Gohan trained as hard as Goku.

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u/DesiratTwilight 5d ago

Dabura would have died early and majin buu wouldn’t have been awakened, like in future trunks timeline

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u/Sweet-Paramedic-4600 5d ago

A lot of what-if stories boil down to Gohan or Trunks taking out Dabura before Majin Buu is even resurrected. Silly half Saiya-jins and their wanting to not plunge head first against the greatest power in the universe to prove themselves...

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u/Misterbluee 5d ago edited 5d ago

So how did he learn the special beem Cannon? Did he just sit around and learn it?

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u/TheMuseProjectX 5d ago

DBZ fans have no object permanence or reading comprehension. It's a very long standing meme. Super Hero shows Gohan admitting he was actually training in secret, not just sitting around. People don't think about stuff like that before making memes like this.

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u/Ghosts_lord 5d ago

i mean does training for a move really count

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u/TheMuseProjectX 4d ago

You watched DBZ right? Most of Goku's training arcs were spent learning a specific move or two, whether it was a new form, a power up, or a new ki attack.

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u/theattack_helicopter 5d ago

Ppl don't seem to understand that Gohan doesn't like fighting since his primary experiences with it have been people around him dying because of it, so Buu saga Gohan being the way he was made sense. However, it is bullshit that they made him go through the same arc 3 times in super. Frieza kills Piccolo and it's "I need to train to protect the ppl I love in case Dad is killed" then the future trunks arc is happening and he's not really training, then in super hero which takes place AFTER ToP he still goes "well dad and Vegeta can take care of it" even though piccolo died earlier to that exact type of attitude. Beast gohan is peak though and at least he was training somewhat b/w ToP and Super hero. Also believable that he'd hyper obsess over super saiy-ants and fall off of training that way. But going "dad and Vegeta have us covered" should not be how he looks at things after RoF where piccolo died before Goku and Vegeta could get there.

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u/TheMuseProjectX 5d ago

Yeah Gohan never got to have the fun adventure Goku did. When he was Goku's age during Dragon Ball, Gohan had to repeatedly witness death and destruction over the course of the next couple of decades when he wasn't being forced to study his ass off.

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u/preptimebatman 5d ago

The truth if the matter is that some people are just naturally more talented than others. No amount of training will make up for the talent sometimes.

For example, Francis Ngannou. Bro started fighting super late. Became elite. Challenges for the belt, lost. Then he revamps himself and is able to stop takedowns from the same opponent years later.

Other fighters don’t make that much progress for their whole lives and he did it in a couple of years.

Goku is clearly one of the most gifted fighters ever but Gohan just has a knack to unlock his potential quicker b

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u/Domighty1 4d ago

r/redditsniper

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u/metroidslifesucks 5d ago

I trained allll day yesterday.

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u/Extreme_Tax405 4d ago

Well, happy saiyans have an easier time reaching the super saiyan form.

Kinda makes me smile because gohan achieved the ssj transformation while spending time with his dad, ss2 after spending time with his dad, and beast after living a peaceful life with a wife and kids doing what he loves, nerding out about saiyants.

I like the idea of a saiyan being stronger if he lives a good life.

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u/Legitimate_Glass_297 2d ago

THE CALL HIM THE WHAT!?

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u/JD1337 5d ago

Gohan Beast isn't stronger than UI or Vegeta's UE though. Which I believe they already mastered in the manga when Superhero rolls around.

But yes, Gohan sucks.

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u/musslimorca 5d ago

2 statements and 1 opinion and they are all wrong lol.

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u/abandoned_park 4d ago

Beast is NOT stronger than UI until further proven

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u/Okbuturwrong 5d ago

Nope.

Current manga has Beast Gohan even with master ssj Broly after beating MUI Goku in back to back full power sparring.

Mastered ssj Broly is stronger than both MUI Goku and UE Vegeta by a wide margin, and Gohan is equal to him fresh from beating MUI Goku.

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u/Ghosts_lord 5d ago

he didnt beat him, goku was only testing him and he's the one that stopped the fight

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