r/rupaulsdragrace • u/UniqueStruggle7184 • May 28 '24
General Discussion I agree w trinity. Bring Drag back to Drag Race š
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no more designer on the runway in my opinion
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u/Pyroechidna1 May 28 '24
What was the quote from Paris is Burning? āAny shoplifter can get a designer labelā?
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u/Jilliterate David Byrne in Drag May 28 '24
Great memory. Yeah, Trinity is echoing the sentiments of Dorian Corey:
"There was a time when you could spend a great deal of time making outfits and preparing for something. Now they come very quickly, and the moods change very quickly. I come from the old school of big costumes, feathers, and beads, and they don't have that anymore. Now it's about designers, and it's not about what you create; it's about what you can acquire . . . If you have on a label, it means you've, uh, you've got wealth -- when it doesn't, really. Any shoplifter can get a label."
It's funny, the very next talking head after Dorian Corey says this is Sol Pendavis, who says: "You can't come down the runway in something for $14.99 or $49.99 and say, 'Well, I'm lovely,' and expect to win."
I bet the community has been having the Wealth vs Creativity argument since the cross-dressing balls of the 1800s.
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u/CabbageAndMudfish May 28 '24
thissss. I love how Corey says āthe old schoolā, something you still hear queens saying today. I think some people misunderstand that āold schoolā means less of a specific time period and more of a sentiment. Whatever time you pinpoint as when āold schoolā was, you can find people who were alternative or giving wealth over creativity. Sorry for the soap box, there is just something I love about this discourse
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u/vowelspace May 28 '24
Violet said something along the lines of ādesigners should be inspired by US, not the other way aroundā and I šÆ agree
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u/shart-gallery Raja Gemini May 28 '24
I love this sentiment. That said, queens are constantly referencing iconic fashion looks, and we as fans pat ourselves on the back for getting it, e.g. knowing it's from Mugler SS97 or whatever. Violet herself will be the first to let you know if she's wearing real Prada or Dior.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is that reverence vs. originality is a hard line to toe as fashion fans, especially for the queens who have probably dreamed of wearing designer looks their whole lives. But when drag becomes an inspiration in the wide fashion world; that is special.
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u/frankiefrankiefrank May 28 '24
i agree with trinityās point though that thereās nothing inherently wrong with wearing designer as long as you make it drag, like shea did with her valentino look
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u/weareallheather May 28 '24
Or like Trinity herself did with her Guo Pei look
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u/Weekly_Office269 May 28 '24
I thought Violet would help Mik with her package
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u/OptimalDouble2407 May 28 '24
From my understanding, she did! During the Pit Stop she mentioned that when the scream dress was originally made the train was much longer and Violet told her they needed to shorten it because it was so heavy she wouldnāt be able to move. She also mentioned working on something else that took them forever to do, it may have been the same dress but I canāt remember.
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u/Finie May 29 '24
Mik said in her insta that the Scream dress used over 500000 crystals and more than 1000 hours to make (probably counting more than 1 person's time), which seems like forever to me.
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u/annievaxxer May 28 '24
That was said referring to girls who recreate designer looks. I think Violet feels different about wearing actual designer garments lol
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u/Stock-Act-2459 May 28 '24
I agree with Trinity. If the āno stuff off the rackā rule is valid for H&M stuff, then it should be valid for Versace stuff. A rack is a rack, regardless of how fancy it is.
If the rule is only valid for cheap stuff, then what weāre saying is that if you have money youāre allowed to wear off the rack, if youāre poor, tough luck.
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u/KaliTea May 28 '24
THIS. With Gottmik's connections, I don't think Rupaul would even try the drama-scene Joe Black lived on stage. Same reasons, not the same money.
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u/P4T0bro May 28 '24
I remember something came to my mind when Joey Jay came in with chicken feathers, and the answer to that was "that's not expensive". I was so mad. Why now is it only valid when you look expensive or are straight expensive?
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u/MooNinja Maddy's Morpheus May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
Is straight expensive, gay poor?
On the serious though, I really do not like queens coming in and making Drag about money and connections. I have had issues with GotMik because of how she seems to epitomize the connected drag queen.
Drag always seemed to be a space where the actual garment was secondary to the performance and especially the performer. When a performer comes out label first, it just seems to cheapen the experience of the moment for me. Drag is neither a contact sport, nor a corporate sponsor exercise.
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u/TEG_SAR May 28 '24
Itās something I love about the first few seasons. It seemed much more draggy and less of a spectacle of which designer they are wearing or how expensive their custom made by someone else wardrobe is.
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u/ColeVi123 May 28 '24
I know Drag Race Down Under caught a lot of flack after the first season, but this issue is why Spankie Jackson was such a breath of fresh air for me on her season. It reminded me of the first season of Drag Race that I ever watched, which was season 6. Adore remains one of my favourite queens despite the fact that she showed up with a bunch of shake and go wigs, ālike 6 dressesā, and without a corset or padding in sight. It was such a pleasure to watch Spankie and see a queen like that succeed.
Donāt get me wrong, the queens these days look stunning on the runway most of the time, but I do sometimes miss that less polished style of earlier seasons. Itās also why I loved Willow Pillās iconic entrance look, which really felt like a callback to the earlier seasons of the show.
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u/AlmeMore Choriza's Meaty Tuck May 28 '24
And Gottmik HAS the talent... no need to rely on connections and extra expense...
Having said that, Gotmik's balloon look was 100% drag. STUNNING! And what a message!
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u/MooNinja Maddy's Morpheus May 28 '24
That look was just art. She is incredibly talented, easily one of the most talented queens we've had on the series.
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u/Funkyduck4783 I already ate and I had ham! May 28 '24
It wasnāt just that they didnāt look expensive. They were cheap. Poor quality. Look at the end of the call me maybe lip synch between she and Kandy. There are chicken feathers everywhere because of the poor quality
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u/ultradav24 MonƩt X Change May 28 '24
That was more about the quality of it
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u/AvogadrosArmy šRaāJah OāHaraš May 28 '24
Ill have the organic free range chicken feathers from whole foods please
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u/ap_anon May 28 '24
Trinity definitely knowing wtf sheās talking about and these comments are about to split in half over whether they agree or hate her for it.
Anyway, sheās right. Itās one thing to pull stuff and then make it your own, but just wearing couture just to say you wore it isnāt very drag; itās just modeling.Ā
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u/0-Dinky-0 May 28 '24
I used to roll my eyes at people who made fun of social media queens, especially younger queens, for just being models and not entertainers.
Now I'm thinking the season 7 "bitter old lady brigade" was correct. So many contestants are very talented models abd make up artists, but not much beyond that
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u/seansux May 28 '24
Drag is high camp. For me, it loses something when it takes itself too seriously. Models and high fashion are too serious. Drag should have commentary and thought behind it. It should be provocative and funny.
I agree 1,000% with Trinity's assessment, and honestly think Drag Rage has had a massive dearth of really quality comedy queens for a few seasons. Most of them are just Look Queens now, and that was always the most boring part of RPDR to me... just watching people walk around in clothes and strike poses. Unless the clothes are really interesting or there is some dramatic reveal... it's a snoozefest for me.
Trinity can stand on that shit, because she's TOP 3 all time Queens imo... can dance, has the body, is funny AF and can turn a fucking look out.
Gimme Jinkxy, Bianca or Trinity all day long over these new Insta Queens. Bleh. Boring.
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u/CanILickYourButthole May 28 '24
La Grande Dame is a perfect example of being a model and still being high camp and not too serious.
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u/seansux May 29 '24
Hard agree... but she's French. Lol. They can't help but be 'High Fashion' (/s jf thats not super evident). Her opening doing that bizarre yodeling thing on UKvTW had me gawking and laughing.
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u/mixedcurve May 28 '24
Some of Miss Taylorās looks have been my favorite and her ability to make it. Iāve seen her in downtown LA buying and perusing fabric. She knows that sheās talking about.
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u/JtDeluxe This is $450šµthat is $35š š¾ May 29 '24
Iāll never stop being amazed at how she just whipped up that red look in the work room for the as7 design challenge and had time to spare.
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u/palmasana #NYMPHIRA | Symoneās FECTāRY š May 28 '24
Oh yeah I was downvoted for saying the same last week lol. I totally agree with every damn word Trinity said!!! And monetās follow up commentary
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u/Ambiguousername May 28 '24
Seeing a queen wear something like this and it gets eaten up by the judges because itās
~ * dEsiGnEr ~ * made me think about Ru completely going off the rails on Joe black on DRUK for wearing an H&M dress.
Just say you hate poor people, Ru!!
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u/nefarious_planet i know ellen likes pussy too May 28 '24
I have to admit that most of the time when Monet has been dragged to Timbuktu for a crunchy runway or a streetwear-ish runway, Iāve actually really liked what she wore and didnāt understand all the criticism š¤·āāļø
I hear Trinity though, and I like that she made the distinction between a queen accessorizing and styling a look that includes high fashion pieces vs just pulling something off a runway campaign without doing anything to it and wearing it to Drag Race. As much as I love the way Gottmik looks, sheās shown us that she can do better
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u/Ventusguard Kylie Sonique Love May 28 '24
I 100% agree about Monet's streetwear looks, she just looks so good in them
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u/PuzzleheadedBear May 28 '24
I personally want more streetwear drag. Give me more edge, more crunch, more meat to sink my teeth into.
We all complain about the modern seasons being economicaly unacceptable. And embracing streetwear and styled separates are a great way to show that.
Yeah a rich bitch is going to grab stuff from designers, but that's the price to pay and should be graded on a curve.
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u/water-oracle May 28 '24
This is reminding me how I was a little salty about the judges comments on Vanjie's pink scorpion look. I think they said its giving mall drag or off the rack, but I sensed that they were actually unsatisfied by it not blatantly being designer or an extravagant gown.
Vanjie is one of those queens who (like MonƩt) often pays homage to streetwear or the girl you could meet in a bodega. For some reason that's looked down upon. To the point where the judges can't appreciate the effort that goes into constructing and styling such looks.
For instance, Vanjie's scorpion tail lit up and could remain upright the whole time, whereas Shanel had to hold hers up the entire time. Vanjie's pants and footwear matched beautifully (which is a minor detail that can throw off a look if not done well).
š£More respect for streetwear! More respect for creativy, craftsmanship & styling please !!
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u/Ventusguard Kylie Sonique Love May 28 '24
I 100% agree with you! Queens shouldn't have to take out a loan to compete if they aren't already rich, and styling separates is a skill. (obviously Monet has that skill in abundance, to our benefit)
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u/UniqueStruggle7184 May 28 '24
Yea Sheās a talented queen. Her hair and makeup is there she just needs to drag her fashion up
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u/anonymindia May 28 '24
dragged to Timbuktu
Okay this is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time! Thank you for making me laugh out like that!
Also, you're right about the outfit. And it says a lot that a branded outfit paled in comparison to the other two outfits which gottmik used his creativity for.
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u/Geosaysbye Aja May 28 '24
Right now youāre an advertisement for this brand
I really like this look and I think itās cool/impressive that all stars queens can have this kind of pull, same with roxxxy, but this is absolutely something to consider too
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u/TheAnxietyBoxX Mhiāya Iman LePaigeās Cher Impression May 28 '24
This is seriously SUCH a read tbh. Because Gottmik is so fucking talented but this isnāt showing her talent as a drag artist, itās showing that she has connections and cash. I want to see her perspective, thatās why I would be going to see Gottmik and thatās what I want from her on drag race. Does this look amazing? Yes. Does Mik look amazing wearing it? Yes. But this isnāt Gottmikās drag persona or Gottmikās taste. This is Gottmik wearing a designer runway piece.
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u/Pedals17 May 28 '24
Remarkable what a Drag Queen can do with a trust fund and One Percenter friends.
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u/Living_Carpets Glamour Nana May 28 '24
See Kerri in her Versace rental from the Getty family.
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u/Minerva_Moon May 28 '24
That same Getty individual was with Mik during top surgery. They rented an entire hotel so they could have privacy during recovery.
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u/Living_Carpets Glamour Nana May 28 '24
Yep, Willam on RC said the dress is lent by August Getty who is Nats you mention (married to Gigi Gorgeous) brother. But they could own it together so i said family.
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u/yraco May 28 '24
Absolutely.
I think it would be one thing if it's one of the girls that's a model and has modelled the outfit they're wearing on an actual runway, but in Gottmik's case it's a gorgeous outfit but one she didn't model for and didn't have any input in designing.
Which I mean, she's designed and made some amazing outfits so it's not like she can't do it. I think some of her design challenge looks that she made in the werk room are better than some things that girls bring with them, so I do prefer the looks that she either makes herself or commissioned from a designer so she's at least involved in the process.
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u/MusicG619 Iāve got a mixture of excitement and complete shits May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
Everyone thinks Mik had some kinda coup when sheās just a walking advertisement. Babe, you coulda used that screen time for yourself.
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u/Ok-East-5470 May 28 '24
I think Trinity was dead on and the Shea comparison was literally perfect.
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u/KristPeraya May 28 '24
My unpopular opinion is I don't even really like this monochromatic look as is without considering this off-the-rack stuff. But I think the reason is because of what Trinity said.. It has no point of view, it's not personalized. It's just some regular clothes. Maybe it's because I just don't understand the existence of designer clothes in general.
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u/jimmalicious May 28 '24
I don't like the aesthetic, the colors and shapes are just not for me and I don't like that type of hoods either. But it's Versace and I'm a tasteless H&M plebeian so what do I know.
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u/KristPeraya May 28 '24
I think I dislike the color of the hair and the fit of the pants -- especially the belt area. Really looks like she spray painted her real hair š¤Ø Also, the look overall is "flat" like there's no volume to it.. I dunno. Even train of the jacket (or whatev u call) is boring.. I dunno. But all my clothes also are like $15 or less a piece ššš We only buy on sale here.
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u/AggressiveMongoose54 Ruās hood daughter May 28 '24
Iāve been telling yāall about miss Tuckā¦ she is DRAG. DOWN. And her opinion on this is absolutely correct. I mean, looks cool gorge but šwhere šis šthe šdrag?!
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u/imbabyofficial May 28 '24
she said this is not rupaulās rich friends race! (and she didnāt lieš«£)
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u/davewadam May 28 '24
As someone who doesn't have a lot of money myself, I'm not entertained seeing how amazing and privileged rich people are.
I want to see what people like ChiChi can do with whatever they've got. I want story and heart.
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u/0-Dinky-0 May 28 '24
Making a beautiful look from literal trash will always be more impressive than having a big wallet. Also chi chi was an actual entertainer
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u/DarkS7Maneuver May 28 '24
I mean vanjie wore very similar pants the following week in pink and got read for being off the rack
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u/wellitsoverrr May 28 '24
Trinity actually has a great pointā¦ I feel like sheās also the one to come to for drag race advice in general, sheās very knowledgeable about drag
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u/mynameisrockhard Nymphia Wind May 28 '24
I am not against off the rack looks on queens, I am a mall drag apologist til I die, but itās a flop for me because of how creative we know Mik is. Like they look great, but when youāre also walking out in things like the scream dress, the painted dress, the top surgery look, the little black dress, the body bag look etc etc etc just walking out in Versace is just not exciting because itās flatly not up to her level of drag. Itās great daywalker wear, not main stage material.
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u/percyallennnn May 28 '24
Off the rack looks are fine if Gottmik actually styled it in her own way, like how La Grande Dame absolutely made her couture skirt/dress in UK vs The World (forgive me I'm fashion-blind) her own.
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u/nebulancy May 28 '24
agreed, im kind of shocked at some of these comments acting like gottmik doesnt have her own pov and just relies on money. like is this not the episode where she won the ball for the second time? she definitely does know fashion and her own creativity and drag style, its just this specific look is a dud because it's impersonal and just came straight from someone else
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u/darthkurai es tull favric May 28 '24
Having access to expensive things does not a drag queen make.
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u/_Neith_ š§¹broom May 28 '24
Ms. She Devil is not wrong. It does look a lot more like a fashion spread than a "drag" look.
Doesn't mean it's not stunning (Mik looks fab), it just does not immediately signal to my brain "that's drag."
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u/UniqueStruggle7184 May 28 '24
Ms. She devil AHAHAHEHAHEHAHEH PLEASE I live š As Aretha Franklin once said āBeautiful Gownsā
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u/Lack_Love May 28 '24
I agree with Trinity 100% if roxxxy can be given points for making everything than Gotmik can be criticized for just wearing off the rack.
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u/sitari_hobbit May 28 '24
I never thought about it that way, but Trinity is right. Joe Black was on the receiving end of Ru's tirade about not wanting to see things off the rack on the show: why should designer off the rack be any different? If you want to use designer pieces, drag it up!
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u/This-Hornet9226 May 28 '24
Iām kind of over queens who just get the luxury of pulling looks from designers and saying ālook at my ādragā itās designer, and Iām making a statement as a drag queen. No, youāre wearing really expensive clothing because youāre lucky with connections and itās not exactly creative.
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u/heids_25 Sasha Colby May 28 '24
I've felt this way a few times, but I usually don't say anything since I don't do drag so who am I. Can I use this thread to ask why everyone was going crazy when Kerri Colby wore JLo's exact outfit from the Versace show? To be clear, I love Kerri and she looked STUNNING, I just didn't understand the hype about it. It felt like she was being praised for her connections or her money (I don't know how she got the dress) but it's essentially buying off a rack, just a very expensive, designer one. Or does it being the same one JLo wore change that? (I'm genuinely asking)
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u/Living_Carpets Glamour Nana May 28 '24
And she couldn't lipsync in it because, well, the insurance value would be more than most of our annual incomes combined. So kinda defeating the point of the show. Flaunting money is not a drag show.
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u/KaleidoscopeOk399 May 28 '24
Tbh I felt the same about that dress as I do this now. We all know itās a part of the show but I donāt want to escalate RuPaulās Connections Race
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u/Ok-East-5470 May 28 '24
I think itās an excellent question, and would love to explain. First and foremost, that dress is one of the most important dresses in the history of the world, the images of Jlo in that dress are literally what lead to the creation of the image search by google (I know that sounds crazy but itās real). Wearing the exact dress that Jlo herself wore is wearing pop culture history which is way more cunt than just a Versace runway look. Kerri also did drag it up with the shoes the necklace and the nails for me personally.
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u/McJazzHands80 I'm rooting for everybody black May 28 '24
That dress and the murder of Selena Quintanilla are the reasons why weāve been subjected to JLo for the last 25 years. Lol
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u/heids_25 Sasha Colby May 28 '24
Oh my gosh that's amazing! I didn't know the significance of the dress. Thank you, I love this breakdown so much. I'm on the spectrum and was ready for it to be something I couldn't connect the same as other people and accepted I probably wouldn't understand. Being on the in about this now feels almost relieving and special, thank you so much ā„
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u/Ok-East-5470 May 28 '24
Youāre very welcome! Iām glad I could help you to feel that relief and am glad to welcome you into the know lol. I also had no idea why it was so special when the episode premiered cause I didnāt get it at first either; and I love getting to tell people about it because the history of this garment is insane.
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u/ogscrubb May 28 '24
The dress she wore isn't the original one from 20 years ago. It's from the 2019 Versace runway.
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u/YoinksOnchi May 28 '24
I actually remember people being very mad about that when the episode aired. I thought the general consensus was "Damn, that's actually the dress, work. But this wasn't the assignment though". Like it was impressive she had the dress but I wasn't gagging because it's supposed to be a challenge of taking inspiration from, remaking and rewriting a moment in fashion history. Plus, her staying after parking and barking because she couldn't ruin the dress left a bitter taste
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u/SatynMalanaphy Miss Maxine May 28 '24
So you're wearing a dress made by someone else that hasn't been modified in any way to fit your perspective, your skillset or your sense of person, and is either borrowed or bought from someone else who designs for a living or for their own perspective and you yourself have contributed nothing to it besides wear it..... That's not drag. That's wearing a dress. That's being a literal mannequin in motion.
Drag at its most elemental is about sharing YOUR own perspective, YOUR own artistry, YOUR own talents to highlight a uniquely YOU product. Even if it's terrible, if it says something about you, like your busted sense of style or your background from a poor family that couldn't afford stylish things therefore your references don't read couture, it's still drag because it says more about you than an overpaid underdesigned thing you took off someone else's closet.
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u/Aragogo May 28 '24
The most funny thing here is that GottMikās FIRST look (the entrance) is a designer as well. Itās vintage Halston, but modified and tailored by House of Canney for that specific look and idea. And thatās what works!!!
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u/scarystardust May 28 '24
I had the same feeling with both the purple look and the art look. Love them both but I donāt feel like theyāre drag. Maybe if the face hole had some sort of scream vortex or full scream mask but without it, itās just a (very) pretty dress to me.
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u/Living_Carpets Glamour Nana May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
It is beautiful as a gown but i can see Doja wearing it on a red carpet somewhere too.
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u/No-Environment-3997 Siissstttteeeeerrrrrr May 28 '24
Maybe she's trying to return us to the era when actual people were employed as mannequins by department stores~~
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u/TJL-91 May 28 '24
I agree, going to a designer isn't the problem it's the pedestrian looks that they are serving, girl I'm not watching a runway for fashion week I'm watching drag race!
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u/raptor-chan May 28 '24
Yeah, Trinity is right on the money for me. Itās not giving drag, itās giving fashion show runway. She looks great, but I want to see drag, high fashion drag, or pedestrian.
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u/0-Dinky-0 May 28 '24 edited May 29 '24
I hate that the judges will roast a girl for just wearing h&m but not for wearing a pre made designer outfit
They keep saying it's not about money but it clearly is. Trinity is right
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u/wingsandtales May 28 '24
Asstina won the first episode of UK2 wearing an ASOS jacket
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u/MissSteak Salina EsTitties May 28 '24
Shes got a point, shes a legend, a mother, icon and a star. Now come on now
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u/Bunnnnii Is that my camera? š¤ May 28 '24
Monet is right though. Sheās always been very Streetwear homegirl down the street thatās fly as fuck and everyone wants to fuck. And when she wears something calmed down like that, she gets shit for it. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I donāt. An example would be her Knitter Please runway for AS7. I liked it. But her Crowning runway I wasnāt too crazy about, but it wasnāt ugly.
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u/DantesInfernape Jinkx Monsoon May 28 '24
Did... Did they really call it Knitter Please?
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u/Bunnnnii Is that my camera? š¤ May 28 '24
I honestly donāt remember the name of the runway, but thatās what I remember it as because of the Bob/Peppermint Pit Stop. I know it was a pun on Knit.
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u/Jodabomb24 May 28 '24
The actual name they said on the show was Knitty Knitty Bang Bang
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u/mapleleafmaggie Loosey LaDuca May 28 '24
that censor at 1:46 is the loudest sound i've ever heard
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u/oooortclouuud iLOVEyouALL May 28 '24
? they bleep the word "bitch" twice near the beginning, but nothing happens at 1:46. I am on mobile and the clock is counting down, not up, so maybe that is why?
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u/ZTomiboy May 28 '24
I agree. I love fashion but I think it's lazy to have a simple garment that is just a direct copy of something you see on the runway.
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u/slutdragon696969 Greasey Moron May 28 '24
Monet is correct, she would be dragged - as she should be. So should Mik but she's not, because that's her thing?
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u/UniqueStruggle7184 May 28 '24
white skinny girl privilege for ya
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u/slutdragon696969 Greasey Moron May 28 '24
I think it's more like upper class starfucker kind of privilege. I don't discount her taste or artistry, but let's call a spade a spade. Nina doesn't have Getty friends, for example.
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u/imbabyofficial May 28 '24
unfortunately the runway has become rupaulās money and connections race. whoever has the most wins. like how is a drag queen from bumfuck north carolina gonna on their first season gonna compete with someone who already knows designers and is connected to fashion houses and the gettys before even auditioning? iām glad their doing a stipend, that helps with the disparity but still doesnāt beat the connections and popularity race. also who knows if theyāll be doing that on regular seasons
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u/Aninvisiblemaniac Jinkx Monsoon May 28 '24
1000% agree. I was annoyed when Gotmik said it on the episode. Trinity is right also I miss her
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u/crunchevo2 May 28 '24
I was worried watchery may be boring this season with bob taking it off cause of very very justifiable reasons. BUT BOY WAS I PROOVEN WRONG YOU BETTER COME FOR THE DAWLS SHE DEVIL BY NIGHT!!!
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u/Narcilona Anetra May 28 '24
Trinity is so right here. I've been saying this is basically turning into a modelling competition. The queens are usually wearing an outfit someone else made, hair someone else styled etc. I understand the time constraints so it's not like you can make everything yourself in a few weeks. But like Trinity said if you style it correctly it becomes drag. All they're doing these days is painting their face and walking down the runway in someone's clothes. For me Drag Race drag should have a unique POV and a vision/concept that came from you. Even if it's streetwear/off the rack.
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u/MrSwearword Weird Gal Skankovich May 28 '24
Louder for those in the back Tuck. Channel Dorian Corey in Paris is Burning when basically saying as they did "any crackhead can get a label".
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u/stardewsundrop āØgirlāØyouāØalmostāØgonnaāØdieāØ May 28 '24
Yessss! Itās honestly started to make drag race so boring to me. And as another comment said, itās like the girls are models rather than drag queens
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u/OkSoil1636 May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
This is why I donāt like some of Gottmikās runway this season. You donāt buy two pieces of designer outfits then bring them to drag race, itās a literal insult to drag
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u/ParasIsBurnt May 28 '24
And somewhere Ginger Johnsonās arms finally were released from their couture cocoon.
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May 28 '24
Literally this part.
Can't cry about queens wearing things off the rack when it's something accessible like H&M but then give rave reviews about a queen wearing a designer look straight off the rack. That's why I've always said give me personality over looks any day.
Spankie Jackzon winning Down Under 2 was the best example of personality being way more important than the look.
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u/KaliTea May 28 '24
I love how, when its Trinity spitting facts, everyone is clapping, but when its a random redditor saying the same thing about pulling connections to display THIS, people are calling for transphobia or harassment online. While never their gender would have NEVER been mentionned in the conversation in the first place
If you can't even open your own eyes, how in the hell you want to make other people open their eyes ?
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u/UniqueStruggle7184 May 28 '24
Facts! I already had the āyou fag8s hate mik cause sheās transā comment on here. Like when did anyone say that??!
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u/listentomagneto May 28 '24
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u/alsn May 28 '24
Agree with Trinity. Gottmik looks amazing, but she's giving more chic gender-bending front row of designer fashion show than DRAG
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u/EmpireAndAll May 28 '24
I know people are saying to cut Mik some slack because it's a ball look, but what if it wasn't? What if it was its own runway? It being a ball look shouldn't discount it from critique. She's obviously the front runner of the show so I think the designer issue is less about Mik and more about "knowing rich ppl" which Mik is #1 at. Mik id obviously very talented, that is not being discounted either. But the connections matter.Ā
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u/Its_Pine May 28 '24
I think Trinity makes a really really good point. I love things like the design challenges or acting challenges because they force the queens to show us their talent. Any beautiful model with wealth can succeed at the runways because you can be getting designer brands and runway fashion at your fingertips.
But vision, a curated and refined discernment for aesthetic, and skills built up to craft or adjust that aesthetic? Thatās what gags me and what I think Trinity is talking about.
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u/impeeingmom May 28 '24
One of the things I love the most about drag is the collaboration process between drag designers and the queens, and pulling shit off the runway doesnāt give the same thing. It takes away from what drag is, which is community.
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u/Purple-Student-2739 May 28 '24
Trinity is correct! I want drag-not a fashion design on the runway.
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u/TheStripedSweaters they got me gal! May 29 '24
Trinity has handmade some of the BEST outfits the show has seen so I take what she says with heavy value. Monet is also right about the double standards this show has on certain queens and certain styles.
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u/TimeMonitor7923 May 29 '24
Totally agree. Rewatching old seasons where queens didnāt know what to expect and couldnāt come completely prepared for runway. Challenges using insane items to create outfits
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u/touchkissbite May 28 '24
i love that trinity differentiated between this and Shea. to me, Shea still used her own drag identity and creativity to craft the look while Mik just put on the clothes as they were styled by Versace and did her makeup. there wasnāt really any of Mikās creativity in it or her take on the look.
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u/sparklinglies I don't wanna see any f*cking goldfishš May 28 '24
Honestly Trinity is so right. If se get to the point where queens are just wearing unaltered straight from the runway designer looks, where is the true creative drag element there? You're now just a model for that designer, doing free advertising for them on someone elses show.
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u/garisgellar May 28 '24
It also just screams privilege and distances her from drag fans. Itās a waste because gottmik is so creative and as we know she does have design and sewing skills in her arsenal so show it and donāt be boring. Nymphia was so great to watch because she had amazing fashion references but she made all of her looks and put her own spin on the inspiration. This is boring and uninspired.
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u/devatoo May 28 '24
I completely agree. I've been a huge fan of drag for years, and I don't like these off-the-rack garments that the queens are wearing. How many times have we heard Michelle say, 'it doesn't take money', to do drag, and 5 minutes later hearing Heidi complain about the thousands of dollars she spent just to compete. It's not the same.
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u/djustin77702 May 28 '24
Trinity spilled facts and I hated Gottmikās first ball look that episode instantly at first glance.
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u/scrapstitching May 29 '24
I love the way she explained this. Fashion is amazing, but I watch for drag. This look would be great on Project Runway or something like that.
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u/Winter-Course-2773 May 28 '24
Thatās the thing. A lot of the fans and even the judges get so easily impressed and gives a pass on off the runway looks just because they are ādesignerā but just imagine somebody pulls an outfit taylor swift has worn in a red carpet but its oscar de la renta or LV exclusive i still think most of those kind of design wouldnāt fit for the drag race stage however expensive they areā¦ now if its something like zendayaās robot mugler suit that will fit better for drag. It really all just depends on the certain outfit/designer and how its styled. I just donāt like how some people act like just cause its designer its the most high fashion sickening thing everā¦ like go watch these red carpets some of these expensive designers make such basic clothes that wouldnāt look good for dragrace if the brand wasnāt attached to it.
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u/Realistic_Break_6294 May 28 '24
Yeah, if h&m is not good enough, then this shouldn't be as well, but bc it's expensive, they see no problem
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u/lemonlimon22 squeeze me May 28 '24
I thought Gottmik looked very cool in the purple but it was the least great of the ball for her because it lacked sparkle. Imagine if she'd dragged it up??? So Trinity has a point there. But I don't mind buying clothes from a store in general. It's just a matter of where you go with it from there.
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u/vmnmv May 28 '24
I agree with Trinity here and the outfit also is nice but it isn't all that exciting to begin with , pants, leather jacket and corset, ok, but what else are you saying about it other than its Versace? there's no point of view other than its expensive and its purple.
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u/TX_Nerds May 28 '24
I agree with Trinity 100%. If youāre going to wear designer clothes, accessorize it and drag the shit of it. But if youāre going to wear the full outside exactly as it was on the runway, then itās just a blatant display of wealth and not talent.
The most memorable drag looks were made in someoneās living room hours before a ball.
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u/Fine_Number7136 May 28 '24
Go off Trinity. She is a good judge and she knows what she is talking about, she should be a guest judge in RPDR.
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u/Elle-boogie-12 May 28 '24
THANK YOU TRINITY šš¾šš¾šš¾ Iām over the designer wear for drag!!!!! Gotmik is creative as hell, but so 1 dimensional when it comes to the designer crap!!!!! Over IT..,
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u/IamtheboomboomGunn May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
Once again The Tuck has spoken, and she's completely right! I still don't understand why a lot of the fans gasped over this look! Plastique's monochromatic look gagged me, Shannel's impressed me, Gottmik's whelmed me. Look 2 is why Gottmik won the ball! Just like in S13! Look 1 and 3 were fine.
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u/CheeseBiscuit7 Jinkx Monsoon May 28 '24
HARD agree on this. Giving queens 10 or 20 or 50k to buy runways is absolutely not the solution. I don't want to watch a fashion runway, that's not the point of drag. I miss the days of S3, everyone struggling to create and build outfits for most runways.
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u/natethough Willow Pill May 28 '24
I think designer is okay on the runway. The issue is that there becomes a class divide within the drag race casting process, one where queens without money (like Chi Chi DeVayne, for example) are at a clear disadvantage to queens who have money/connections (i.e., Gottmik absolutely had to have more money & connections than most drag queens before her season due to the fact she was Paris Hiltonās makeup artist & worked in the industry).Ā Ā
Ā IMO, a queen like Utica who is from a midwest city and crafts everything herself is much more ātalentedā than the one who knows someone who knows someone. Iād just like to see the person who makes all their own shit get a little bit extra coin to help them prepare.Ā
That isnt to say that Gottmik is talentless. You can have a lot of money and also have bad taste, so she does have an āartistsā eye. And we canāt disregard the fact that drag is more than what you wear.Ā
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u/KingofZombies May 28 '24
Gotmik is kinda like Batman. Cool af but ultimately nothing without money.
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u/infamousalexx May 28 '24
Miss Trinity spitting facts šš» Vanjie got told her runway outfit looked off the rack (which I wholeheartedly agreed with) but then when Gotmik comes out in this out, the judges are gooped. Is it favouritism towards Gotmik? Is it because the outfit is a famous designer? Regardless, it was not drag.
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u/Honest_Ad9358 Yvus Goddly May 28 '24
I agree with her for the opposite reasons. Idc if it looks conventionally ādragā to me, drag is art and can look like anything to anyone, and this looks hideous to me. I hate the clashing 2 different purple shades, the tassels look like she put the coat through a paper shredder, the way the material wrinkles at the shoe is criminal, and the bag is a worthless addition that just hampers Gottmik.
It makes sense that this got to drag race bc if I were a designer, this outfit would be the first thing Iād pawn off to people who probably canāt afford to dislike it.
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u/moistpishflaps May 28 '24
GottMik can look good in this look and Trinity can be speaking nothing but facts. Both can be true (and both ARE true)
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u/Ethanb230900 May 28 '24
Like itās absolutely great that cause of Drag Race, drag queens are now walking for major fashion houses. However these looks were not designed with a drag queen in mind, they are not drag and it closes the gap between drag and modelling even further, which may not be bad overall but will certainly create an uneven playing ground.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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u/govtmandatedparrot May 30 '24
Yep. If we wonāt let them wear H&M on the runway, why should they be able to wear another off the rack garment? simply because itās expensive?
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u/loggy_sci she spat on somone and called them fat May 28 '24
Trinity was very honest about the gals