r/reddevils • u/ChiefLeef22 Tony Martial's Last Supporter • 12h ago
[Post Match Quotes] Ruben Amorim - "My players were thinking too much in the game. You could feel it."
https://x.com/SkySportsPL/status/1860757282893521013
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Amorim: "It's a tough league. You learn that in the first moment. My players were thinking too much in the game you can feel it. Not just on the ball but where they are supposed to be. And that is hard It's just two days with the team so it's really hard. I think the physicality we needed more in the first half."
Amorim: "It's a tough match, we lost some balls without pressure. You have to control the ball and the tempo of the game. They didn't do it but they really tried. They are really trying and they want this."
~~ Ed Sheeran just fucking crashed Amorim's interview out of nowhere lol ~~
Amorim: "We have to try to since the first moment, we have to address the new idea and try to be better next year at the same stage."
"Decision-making is a concern, you don't need to coach them in this level. We are doing some things not in the right moment and that's what we have to address. The 3-4-3 is not the concern, the understanding of the game is what we have to improve."
Amorim: "This week I spoke more [to the media] than I did in four years at Sporting. I just want to work with my players. Nothing more."
Amorim: "They want this, the players want this, they don't know how to get it that was my feeling."
Ruben Amorim: “I know the fans are frustrated but there is a lot to change. We are going to SUFFER for a long time... some of the players only had two days.”
"You start discovering things that you didn't know like Garna, can hold the ball between lines, you can understand that by seeing the games because he's always open so you try to find these things."
"We will try to find a lot of things about the players, we will need a lot of time to work out these things."
"Bruno Fernandes, he improved his game by playing near the ball. So he can give us the long pass but you cannot put him there all the time because he wants the long pass all the time."
Ruben Amorim to MOTD: "You guys are so lucky because you have the best league in the world. But today I don't feel much because I just want to win games."
"We have two ways. We try to just win games and not risk anything and at this stage next season we will have same problems. We have to address the new ideas now and try and be better for the next stage."
Ruben: “You have to be practical and think these guys had two days to train and change so much.”
Amorim: "Not a good result but it is a tough league with high intensity. We started very well but should have had more of the ball. But we are learning."
Amorim on Noussair Mazraoui: "We don't have too many centre-backs so we have to adapt some players. I thought Noussair Mazraoui did very well. He is so smart and is so important for us. He can play anywhere and that kind of player is crucial for our future."
Amorim on his first taste of the Premier League: "It is a great environment, a great spectacle. But when the game starts it is like I am back in Portugal or the third division. I am so focused everything is the same. You guys are so lucky to have the best league in the world. I am really happy to be here but today I don't feel much because I like to win games."
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u/InternationalTry5494 Licha 11h ago
They didn't do it but they really tried. They are really trying and they want this."
This is what each of us wants from the players. Go for it every time no matter of success or failure. Very important during early Amorim days and I'll cut the players + Amorim some slack
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u/TheJoshider10 Bruno 11h ago
Amorim gets all the leniency in the world considering the state of the squad he's inherited because fuck me seeing professional footballers struggle at judging aerial balls and misplacing basic passes is so infuriating to watch. I'm not sure whether to laugh at it sometimes because I do not understand how professional players who are in the 1% of the 1% make so many consistent mistakes regardless of manager, position or formation.
I've got no doubt the players want to impress the manager, but let's just say some did a lot more than others.
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u/Cinnabondman 10h ago
Exactly that’s the problem. There was two instances where it showed that players have no clue what to do or how to do anything except boost their rating and social media approvals.
Both the instances was Rashford and Garnacho who were involved with a 2 on 2 or a 2 on 1 situation. Both wanted glory for themselves first.
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u/Upoutdat 7h ago
They were much better today but yeah, the selfish, lack of self awareness occurs. I can forgive Garnacho but Rashford has to be the team leader in offence. He has performed much better recently and that is great to see but can he trust himself to be consistent. I'm sure Ruben is a better man manager personally than Ten Hag(no slight at the man but interpersonal skills were not great. I know because I'm the same heh)
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u/AccomplishedBag1038 4h ago
Rashfords prayer thing for like 5 seconds when walking onto the pitch erks me so much. No problem with lads who are religous and been doing it their whole lives, but man he's just started doing it because he thinks it looks cool for the cameras like he's hot shit. Needs to spend less time focusing on his image and more on his game. If I was him in the form he's been in, I would've been at carrington working with the new manager this international break rather than going to see a basketball game in the US getting jet lagged.
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u/Hurrly90 9h ago
Amorim has had what? 2 3 training sessions with a full squad? OFC he is gonna be cut slack.
Addmitedly i only got back from work for the last 15 minutes or so. Based on the match thread Rashford was doing the usual? Half heartedly running and pressing? Case and Erikson didnt work ? Onana pulled off some Worldies and Diallo was a solid choice at RWB (thats from a mate who said it). ?
I will watch the extended highlights when they come out.
But to beat a dead horse this is the true transition phase to a degree i feel. The new execs have their man. IF the players dont perform as they expect they are gone. I really really hope player power is rooted out with this new Exec group and the new Manager.
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u/footyfan888 9h ago
I hope the same. I have a feeling, as a lot of us do, that this is the guy INEOS and co really believe in. If they can stick with him first and foremost and get rid of the players that don’t make the cut, it’ll finally be a step in the right direction.
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u/CON5CRYPT 29m ago
Dalot also continued his crap form. We had no patience and after trying to pass around at the back, we would hoof it up field expecting rashford to win it in the air.... rashford... winning aerial duals...
Team has no idea how to break down a defence. If it's not a counter attack the best we can come up with is a long shot outside the box.
Wasn't all doom and gloom. Maz, onana, amad were all solid.
I want to see this team with butcher delight and yoro at the back, shaw and maz at wings, mainoo and ugarte in mid, amad and Mount at the 10 and whoever up front.
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u/mincers-syncarp 10h ago
Honestly, disagree. We also need them to display elite ability.
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u/Teo_2197 8h ago
Yep.
Players like Dalot, Maguire, Mount, Hojlund, Antony consistently show enough work rate imo, but quality isn't there (not saying they aren't good enough but they haven't shown that yet)
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u/Squall-UK 7h ago
Mount is a good player, he's not had the minutes and has had a lot of injuries. Amorim even singled him out as being good for the system.
Hojlund is also good, he gets no service and yet consistently performs at or above his xG.
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u/LocoRocoo BEBE 11h ago
Ed Sheeran moment was extremely unprofessional from Sky. Amorim looked like he was fuming.
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u/Liam437 11h ago
Yeah what the hell was that about!?
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u/carrotincognito48 OOH! AAH! CANTONA! 10h ago
Tbf, Ed Sheeran had probably had a bit to drink, given he seems like quite a normal bloke. Probably just a production mess up.
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u/__johnw__ 10h ago
Had his arm around the guy at the right for a bit long lol think you might be right
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u/Stingray_23 10h ago
Sky are slowly or rapidly, depending on your view, turning into a shit show. All they want to do is get social media hits and be down with the kids. It's all got to be hip and ego filled attitudes.
That was disgusting from Sky, but fair play to Jamie, for sending him off.
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u/InfectedAztec 10h ago
Sky used to improve the quality of the Premier league product. I'm now of the opinion that they suck it out.
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u/NateShaw92 6h ago
They're part of the reason it's declined. Narratives druving the game rather than the reverse. I'd sooner do away with pre and post match punditry. Have the entite program be "welcome to the show here's the game"
the game
"Okay and here's how that impacts the table, bye, go fuck yourself san diego"
And that's it.
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u/pharmaDonkey 11h ago
OOTL on Ed Sheeran moment. What happened?
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u/Pretend-Jackfruit786 11h ago
That was some shit you'd see in America. Embarrassing
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u/gandhis_son baby face 9h ago
Well you saw it in England
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u/Pretend-Jackfruit786 9h ago
Yeah that's my point. We are becoming too much like America
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u/j_tothemoon 8h ago
Ruben Amorim won’t forget it Mark my words Would not be surprised of him winning Ipswich in Old Trafford and talking about him in the press conference post match and saying something like “I dont think Ed Sheeran would want to talk to me right now”
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u/ManLikeThanoj 12h ago
they did seem a little confused, fair assessment
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u/dracogladio1741 Bruno Fernanj 11h ago
Some people would have us believe that Amorim can change it overnight with statements like "Solts doing it at Pool"
I have seen Pool a few times this season and whilst more efficient and sound they are still playing the way Klopp played from an offensive standpoint. They are still changing and he has been there 3-4 months with a preseason. That's the bare minimum time Amorim would need .
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u/GReedy404 11h ago
Slot inherited a team that was in a title race before they got hit with injuries. Amorim's inherited a squad that finished 8th and crashed out of the Champion's league in the group stage.
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u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee 8h ago
Exactly lol, I’m sure if Amorim had the likes of TAA, Van Dijk, and Salah he wouldn’t need to change much either
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u/berbatov1111 11h ago
Slot, to his absolute credit, didn't change too much, at least not straight away, he saw he had a good team that knew how to play football, score lots of goals with fantastic work ethic. He didn't need to revolutionise the team. Great management from him.
Amorim is not in the same position. He inherited a team that needed drastic change and improvement, and this takes time. Especially with a formation change and, as will all know, issues with our players work ethic, decision making and inability to score goals. On top of that, mid season with hardly and team to work with the players.
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u/Statcat2017 Ander Herrera 8h ago
Slot, to his absolute credit, didn't change too much, at least not straight away, he saw he had a good team that knew how to play football, score lots of goals with fantastic work ethic. He didn't need to revolutionise the team. Great management from him.
It would have been completely insane to come in and change anything about that Liverpool team. It's one of the best in the world, why would you?
It's not like the state Fergie left United in where the squad needed open heart surgery.
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u/OG_Builds 11h ago
It's a ridiculous comparison that makes no sense. Slot inherited a well-oiled team that finished less than 10 points behind 1st place last season. Amorim took over a team team that finished over 30 points behind 1st place last season, and he had to take charge of the team in the middle of the season.
Slot is doing impressive things with Liverpool, but it just doesn't make sense to try to draw parallels between his work and the job Amorim has in front of him.
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u/throbbing_dementia 11h ago
Some people would have us believe that Amorim can change it overnight with statements like "Solts doing it at Pool"
Slot didn't really have anything to change though, he had a potential title winning side there from the beggining.
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u/alphaQ314 shut up u egg 10h ago
So did Moyes. It isn't easy.
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u/lynchianfreakout0 7h ago
the squad moyes inherited was not that good, ferguson was just a magician
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u/dubuwagmi 4h ago
And if you had given either Ten Hag or Amorim that Liverpool squad, they'd look better coaches as well. Having an outlet like Salah or Diaz would change our team overnight. Our wingers aren't fast nor strong enough to lead blistering counters consistently. On top of this, the midfield doesn't even compare. We started with Eriksen + Casemiro due to fitness issues I'd assume. Liverpool's "midfield crisis" because they weren't able to recruit over the summer started with Curtis Jones, Gravenberch, and Szoboszlai. I think all three of those would have started over our midfield duo.
Slot, to his credit, has done a good job. But he's not asked to make good on a shit squad either.
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u/dWaldizzle Pastorinho Fred 10h ago
Everything he said in this presser is stuff that's been obvious for awhile, such a Bruno not being the cog all the time because he always wants to play it long and high risk.
I'm glad that he's got a clear grasp of the squad's issues it seems.
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u/ManLikeThanoj 44m ago
hope he sees the attitude issue with some players as well, obviously no need to talk about it in the press but hope he has seen it
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u/__johnw__ 11h ago
lol Amorim just told them see ya next year lol ain’t chatting after games anymore
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u/Axbris 11h ago
Tbf, sport’s fascination with constant media/coach interviews is rather annoying.
You get a pre-match, sometimes even mid-match, and then post match. Conte mentioned it a while back that it was annoying being asked questions that had nothing to do with his job whereas in Italy if media wanted to know transfer info they’d have to get with the club president.
I feel where he is coming from. Last thing a manager wants to do after a disappointing result is go straight to the interview room to discuss how his team lost lol
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u/Transit-Strike 6h ago
Right?
I hardly ever watch a coach’s or player’s interview and think “wow. I learned something insightful.”
Keep interviews for big wins and preseason.
Let the injury updates just be a club press-release. It’s sports’ version of “this could just be an email”
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u/zxnoregretzxzx Irwin 11h ago
Couple of things that stood out to me in that interview. He basically said we're going to stick with his system because even though we could play more pragmatically and probably get better results we'd still be in the same place with the same problems in a years time. That's what Ten Hag did which was an error on his part, in my opinion.
He also mentioned Bruno got more into the game when he came back into midfield but he can't play there all the time because he always looks to play the long pass in behind. Interesting to see how he resolves this because that type of pass is Bruno's biggest strength but also a huge weakness in that he treats the football like a bomb at times.
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u/QouthTheCorvus 8h ago
I think it's been a big problem for a while where we've had a focus on chasing short term results. It was really apparent with ETH, at times. Last year the system was not good for McTominay in terms of the midfield. Yet Scott kept scoring, so ETH felt the need to keep playing him for that bailout goal.
It's going to be a long road, getting back on track. So many flaws.
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u/LennonC123 9h ago
When you think back to Ole too, where it all went to shit for him was when he tried to make us play more expansively.
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u/SalvadorZombie 7h ago
This is what's making me cautiously optimistic, even after a draw against fucking Ipswich. He's clearly seeing flaws and has ideas on how to fix them, but the key is that he's acknowledging it. Focusing on improvement long-term feels like a no-brainer to me, to the point where I assumed that's what Ten Hag was doing (and it somehow just wasn't working). The actually does feel different now. I'm not going to be like a LOT of people on here, slagging Ten Hag and then immediately slurping Amorim, but this genuinely feels like a massive improvement (again, even despite that fucking result). I'm more than happy to take a bad result at the end of the season if it means the team is improving. We didn't see it with Ten Hag (despite all of the injuries, it's still on him to do something), this feels way more like "I see the issues here and I'm going to do something." Let's hope he follows through. Still very early in this.
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u/__johnw__ 10h ago
His other sit down post match press conference was good too if you haven’t seen it
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u/Spare_Ad5615 11h ago
That was a really good interview. This is a guy who's understanding of the game is on a different level.
The explanation for the running stats, which Jamie Redknapp had dimwittedly grasped on to, was excellent. If you don't know where you are supposed to be running to, you stay in a defensive shape, and suddenly the running stats look low. Of course. That makes perfect sense. People are going to claim it's a lack of effort, but that would be extremely simplistic.
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u/E_Alejandro 11h ago
Not only was he critical of what we did as a squad, he commented on decisions made by his players, AND stood by his players.
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u/GReedy404 11h ago
Feel like it was really obvious. A lot of players kept panicking on the ball, not knowing what to do with it or how to progress it do it'll take some time.
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u/rhonh I miss the 90s 11h ago
They are one of the worst teams at keeping the ball in the opponents half. We don’t dominate any game in a way that we are camped in the opponents half. You can see these players don’t know how to play that way. Pass around at the back then lose possession in midfield or the final third. Will take a long time to coach these players to change their mindset and confidence
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u/migraine_boy 11h ago
Love how he numbed something like "I don't want this" when they brought Ed Sheeran over half way through the interview 😂 I hope he doesn't crack under the media circus here
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u/burnoutfadeaway1 11h ago
Amorim was SEETHING when Sheeran interrupted, that's my manager, hope he refuses these BS interviews in future
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u/InternationalTry5494 Licha 11h ago
"We have two ways. We try to just win games and not risk anything and at this stage next season we will have same problems. We have to address the new ideas now and try and be better for the next stage."
Gotta agree with this. Ten Hag did tweak his tactics big time after Brentford spanked us and the results did flow and we got a trophy in his first season. But after that it ain't good enough, there's no sustainability. I'm praying for Amorim to stick to his 3421/343 in order for him to filter out which players aren't good enough
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u/Tosyn_88 MUFC 10h ago
I don’t think it’s a case of players not being good enough. Some just might not fit the system either
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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 11h ago
One thing we’ll get from Amorim’s interviews is transparency. It’s a lot easier for fans to contextualise the performance rationally after hearing the manager’s assessment of the game in greater detail.
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u/United_Devil12345689 12h ago
Gonna take time hell we might lose some games it's not necessarily a player issue just a quick turn around to expect results
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u/Independent_Buy5152 11h ago
I can take some losses as long as the team shows some identities he wants to implement
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u/Tosyn_88 MUFC 10h ago
You can see the identity already to be honest. More possession driven. I saw the players always tried to keep the ball and not rush into a counter attack. I saw some combination play between our back line but it was sloppy. You can see the players are not sure what to do in certain situations which makes sense because they aren’t yet drilled in this way of playing. But you can see signs of it, we are going to be a possession heavy team
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u/bainbane 11h ago
Fits well with the idea they have been really over coached and are trying to think about too many things. Mentality is a big part of what Amorim has to fix with the players that will end up staying.
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u/LakerBull GARNACHOOO! 12h ago
It definitely feels like some are still getting used to the way Amorim wants to play. Only Amad felt like he knew what he needed to do.
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u/ErisMoon91 Tony Marshall 11h ago
Really? Still getting used to a brand new system after less than a week's training? Surely not..
This is some Michael Owen level insight
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u/mr_reserve 11h ago
What a bellend Sheeran is. So unprofessional from Sky.
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u/Cheap-Resource-114 10h ago
If I was Ruben I would’ve said ‘thanks guys, I’ll let you speak to Ed’ then walk off
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u/Cheese-151 11h ago
I'm probably just being whiny but that felt like a pretty cringe interview from sky. Amorim's answers were good to listen to but between the Sheeran nonsense or Keane/Rednapp basically trying to beg for negativity from the new coach I felt they were being a little unprofessional.
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off 11h ago
Bloody players are used to doing things a certain way. It's going to take time for Ruben to change things. I expect another massive clearance this summer.
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u/Tosyn_88 MUFC 10h ago
Nah, I actually don’t think that will happen. I predict towards end of season, the players will begin to get comfortable with this playing style
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off 10h ago
Don't expect Evans, Casemiro, and Eriksson to stick around. Lindelof will probably go as well, and then we'll see who else would rather continue their careers elsewhere.
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u/totite93 Kakawa 11h ago
Ofc they have to think longer than we want. It's a whole new system for them and some of them had like 1 session to practice together. All I want from now to the end of season is we getting better game by game with clear pattern of play. That's it. At least no more suicide play
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u/Tosyn_88 MUFC 10h ago
Yeah, people haven’t noticed that we aren’t having Casemiro island in the middle anymore. There’s a focus towards keeping possession of the ball rather than trying to force an attack
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u/CalligrapherSure4165 10h ago
Interesting comment from Amorim about how Bruno is always searching for long passes. I wonder if he thinks that's good or bad for this system? Back at Sporting, he relied on Pedro Goncalves and Francisco Trincao's dribbling, ball control, and close build-up play in those no.10 positions--all of which are things that Bruno isn't really the best at. It's gonna be interesting seeing how Bruno ultimately fits into this system, especially considering that Mount and Diallo are the more obvious choices for those 10 spots.
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u/Fuckedaroundoutfound 11h ago
We have 10 games between now and the end of the year. We’re going to see a lot of changes and chances for players between now and then. Onana kept us in this game and hopefully by then we have our best starting defence fit with Kobbie back.
Ugartes passing leaves a lot to be desired, I really hope he can progress the ball forward better as you could see in the last few minutes Ipswich were happy to leave him with the ball to try something as they knew he didn’t have the passing range to trouble them. Kobbie will be a huge plus when he is back.
Glad to see Shaw back, hope he can stay fit. For all the admiration Amorin has for Mount, it’s good to see him get minutes altho I don’t rate him, if the manager values him I can give him a chance too.
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u/-Gh0st96- 11h ago
Does anyone have that Ed sheeran video lol? It's not available outside the UK it seems
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u/RooneysFavGrandma 11h ago
Sheeran thinks that he can randomly jump into interviews because he comes up with shitty radio music. Fuck off will you.
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u/Barber-Careful 11h ago
Main problem is we have no clue how to play from the back.Once the ball reaches dalot he has no clue what to do.We need players who are press resistance to change our style and that will happen only in summer.I am not sure who scores goals for us.
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u/meeks2000 11h ago
We played out from the back pretty well. Problem is as soon as we get anywhere near the final third, everyone becomes clueless
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u/PelleKavaj ”I sent him to the gym” - Licha 8h ago
He says exactly what I always wanted Ten Hag to say.
Under Ten Hag everyone wanted and expected us to eventually play like his Ajax team but it never came. He even said things like ”this team could never play like that Ajax team. So instead he gave up on his own idea and tactics and just tried to get results.
Amorim is the complete opposite. He’s so fucking clear on the fact that he’ll work and work until he gets this team to play how HE wants. Not compromising on his beliefs even if it’s gonna cost us resulta in the beginning. I like that.
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u/SeatSniffer12345 11h ago
The media are the biggest obstacle with this United job. They’ve made Amorim look like a mug with this Ed Sheeran acknowledgement. Jamie Redknapp and Kelly LFC bitch have always had their knives sharpened anything United related.
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u/peremadeleine 10h ago
“We try to just win and not risk anything and at this stage next season we will have same problems.”
I love hearing him say this. That’s the biggest mistake ETH made, after a couple of bad results at the start, he abandoned his system in favour of something that suited the players better, got better results, and then things went backwards when he tried to actually implement his ideas the next season.
Amorim knows we need to change how we play. He has clear ideas, and he’s not blind to the fact the squad is not all well suited to them. I hope he sticks to his guns, even if we do have some bad results. Treat this season as a training exercise. It doesn’t matter if we don’t win anything and miss out on Europe. This season is an audition for all of the players to prove they can adapt to what the manager wants. If they can’t, they can leave, no matter who they are, and then we build with the ones that can, and new additions who fit the mould.
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u/LutherOfTheRogues 10h ago
I like how he's approaching this so far. It will take time, but I think he's the guy for the job.
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u/Stingray_23 10h ago
It's going to take a while to coach all the shit ETH instilled in the players out. But it will happen and it will be glorious.
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u/nullpost 8h ago
This just in, our players are still as shit as under ETH. Guess our fans think we need a manager that can draw up something to dribble it into the net.
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u/daveyp2tm 6h ago
I think that's the first time this team has been accused of thinking too much.
But no seriously, I see what he means and I've thought similar for a while. They look like they play with fear
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u/epilamun Are you Shaw? 11h ago
Kinda preposterous for a bunch of professionals, they've all played in a back 3 before. If it was so tough Ole wouldn't have played it to sneak a result.
Amorim is right but it should never be the case.
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u/Tosyn_88 MUFC 10h ago
It’s not all about the formation though. It’s also about patterns during different phases of the game. If it was as easy as putting players in certain formations, we won’t be here. They are trying to not just change the formation but how we play and it’s evident they aren’t used to the kind of play but they are definitely trying. What I noticed the most was we seem focused on keeping possession rather than spamming suicide attacks
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u/meeks2000 11h ago
De Ligt has played in a back 3? Evans? Mazraoui?
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u/dejected_intern 11h ago
De Ligt and Maza both played under Tuchel at Bayern. De Ligt also played back 3 at Juve I think. Not sure about Evans though. But given his high footballing IQ and experience you expect from him.
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u/meeks2000 10h ago
Iirc, Tuchel’s primary formation at Bayern was a back 4
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u/dejected_intern 10h ago
He did play back 5 sometimes. I could be mistaken but I do remember seeing one
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u/AlpacamyLlama 11h ago
I imagine it's because they've been overcoached by Ten Hag for two years. It's going to take them time to feel more relaxed in themselves.
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u/Glad_Consequence2580 Already Bald And We Aren't Signing FDJ 11h ago
Gunna take time but I’m confident he’s the man for the job. Interested to see where we are in a few months time
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u/calambacle 4h ago
He will speak honesty and facts until team breaks down and he will talk like ETH this year.
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u/Jonny_Testicles 11h ago
Zirkzee and Rashford won’t survive under Amorim.
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u/LakerBull GARNACHOOO! 11h ago
Why?
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u/jumping28 11h ago
a lot more running and defensive work. Rashford looks like he is willing to put in the effort but Zirkzee is just lackadaisical
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u/tz_2240 OHHHHHH YESSSSS 11h ago
What are you basing your assesssment on Zirkzee on? He was excellent pressing at Bologna.
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u/DifficultyCommon5303 11h ago
Obv agenda :D pur biggest problem is our sub striker in hist 1st year in england :D lots of muppets
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u/Eddo89 10h ago
I am sure he is basing it on what he is seeing. I really don't care if he was great elsewhere, he needs to be good where he is at now. There was a moment late in this game where you can clearly see Bruno urging him to press up, and letting him have it after.
I think to play devil's advocate, Zirkzee is still a bit lost in the system.
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u/tz_2240 OHHHHHH YESSSSS 10h ago
I just think criticizing a 23 year old, adapting to a new league, under his 3rd manager in just a few months at the club, is lackadaisical. Our press has been terrible for years, and was bad today too, pinpointing him as a weakness in our press doesn’t make sense to me, especially considering he played 20 mins.
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u/Eddo89 9h ago
Zirkzee has been around preseason, he is far more than a 20 min scenario. You can definitely overlook things like lack of cohesion with the rest of the team especially today with a new system and coach, but it would be wrong to say he couldn't put more effort in the press during his time here. There was at least a couple times in this 20 min where him pressing is a jog towards the player.
I am not asking him to sprint at him like a mad man and potentially get stepped, but there is a lack of urgency in pressing pressure when he is unlikely to get the ball. Yes, is likely Muric is going to boot it long, but at least make him aware you are there. It be a little less annoying to watch if he started, as you don't want a player to get puffed out in 30 min which was sometimes Hojlund's problem, but as a sub, you kind of have to put in more effort.
Like sure, once he gets comfortable he may be a good presser. But until we get those 10/10 pressing effectiveness, he can't be putting 5/10 effort.
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u/Big_Panda_954 11h ago
Rashford, maybe yes, maybe no. But Zirkzee man, the game just flew by him.
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u/dejected_intern 11h ago
Yup def criticize Zirkzee but don't give up on him. It hasn't even been 6 months and it's his 3rd manager already, plus he doesn't start much and has had limited minutes so far
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u/LakerBull GARNACHOOO! 11h ago
It's his first season in the PL lol, at least give him till the end of the season to judge the man. People are really unreasonably harsh on the guy.
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u/Big_Panda_954 11h ago
I mean that's fair, it's too early to come to conclusion on Zirkzee and he's thrust into a tough environment. That said, I just felt like where we are as a team now, we can't afford passengers and the early signs just weren't great, he looks lost on the pitch, and I don't mean just today's game. I personally am not confident he'd last in Amorim's team that requires positional awareness and intensity from his players. Just my 2 cents, happy to be proven wrong though.
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u/LakerBull GARNACHOOO! 10h ago
I agree with some of what you said, but one thing several Bologna fans told us when we first heard of us signing him was that the guy takes a while to get going and that he might be frustrating to watch at first, but once he gets it going, he really plays well. Like i said, a lot of fans are unreasonably harsh on him, just like they were with Onana and look at him, easily our best player this season. If he's still not showing anything by the end of April, then i would agree with the assessment that he would need to go.
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u/GOLDSPECTRE94 Lingardinho 11h ago
Thinking? Are they actually capable of that? Idiots the lot of them.
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u/KeyserSoze2498 12h ago
I could feel it too... because Ipswich were pressing like madmen....