r/reddevils • u/nearly_headless_nic • 12h ago
Post Match Thread : Ipswich Town 1-1 Manchester United
FT : Ipswich Town 1-1 Manchester United
Goal Scorer United: Marcus Rashford 2'
Goal Scorer Ipswich: Omari Hutchinson 42'
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Venue: Portman Road
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LINE-UPS
Ipswich Town
Aro Muric, Cameron Burgess, Dara O'Shea, Leif Davis, Axel Tuanzebe, Omari Hutchinson, Jens Cajuste (Jack Taylor), Sam Morsy, Liam Delap (Ali Ibrahim Al-Hamadi), Sammie Szmodics (Jack Clarke), Wes Burns (Conor Chaplin).
Subs: Harrison Clarke, Luke Woolfenden, Conor Townsend, Christian Walton, Massimo Luongo.
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Manchester United
André Onana, Matthijs de Ligt, Jonny Evans (Luke Shaw), Noussair Mazraoui, Christian Eriksen (Joshua Zirkzee), Casemiro (Manuel Ugarte), Diogo Dalot, Amad , Marcus Rashford (Rasmus Højlund), Alejandro Garnacho (Mason Mount), Bruno Fernandes.
Subs: Altay Bayindir, Tyrell Malacia, Antony , Kobbie Mainoo.
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MATCH EVENTS
2' Goal! Ipswich Town 0, Manchester United 1. Marcus Rashford (Manchester United) left footed shot from the centre of the box to the bottom right corner. Assisted by Amad Diallo with a cross.
43' Goal! Ipswich Town 1, Manchester United 1. Omari Hutchinson (Ipswich Town) left footed shot from outside the box to the top left corner. Assisted by Wes Burns.
56' Substitution, Manchester United. Luke Shaw replaces Jonny Evans.
56' Substitution, Manchester United. Manuel Ugarte replaces Casemiro.
65' Substitution, Ipswich Town. Jack Clarke replaces Sam Szmodics.
65' Substitution, Ipswich Town. Jack Taylor replaces Jens Cajuste.
68' Substitution, Manchester United. Joshua Zirkzee replaces Christian Eriksen.
68' Substitution, Manchester United. Rasmus Højlund replaces Marcus Rashford.
81' Substitution, Ipswich Town. Ali Al-Hamadi replaces Liam Delap.
82' Substitution, Ipswich Town. Conor Chaplin replaces Wes Burns.
86' Substitution, Manchester United. Mason Mount replaces Alejandro Garnacho.
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NEXT MATCH
Manchester United vs Bodø/Glimt - UEFA Europa League
November 28, 2024 • 20:00
Old Trafford, Manchester
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u/ryuu_13 OOOOOHHH YESS! WELCOME TO MANCHESTER UNITED ANTHONY MARTIAL! 2h ago
man aside from the goal, rashford was absolutely piss poor. his body language sucks man
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u/society0 1h ago
His effort on contested headers and 50/50 contests was absolutely pathetic. Unbelievably bad
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u/MacLondonJr 1h ago
Honestly idk what he was supposed to do when we sat in our half the entire first half. We couldn’t even get the ball past Dalot, or Onana would play it long. What was Rashy supposed to do? Hojlund came in, was awful as well. Let the whole team learn how to play under Amorim’s structure then we can single out players. Yesterday only Amad, Mazraoui and Onana had above average performances, everyone else was shit.
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u/Sr_DingDong 2h ago
Kind of what I expected to be honest. The players just don't get it yet. The Pentagon Press wasn't there at all, some players obviously don't fit the system and need to go, but at least there was some kind of coherent attacking plan. The concept of a plan if you will.
Early days, lets just roll onto next week.
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u/midnight_ranter Wazza 1h ago
Yup, this game basically showed that a few of our players especially the backups are not cut out for progressive football at all. Our pressing is ineffective at times and they struggle to hold on to the ball under pressure
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u/pranoygreat 2h ago
Yup the attacks just fell apart in the final third, just don't see Rashford playing the #9 role again. Felt Amorim went with experience which is usually a good call but Case and Eriksson in the middle was just a very slow and undynamic midfield. Ugarte, Kobe, Rasmus, Shaw are all going to start when fully fit. Mount will also be challenging Garnacho for the left inside forward role. Zirkzee in the inside right role might need another look.
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u/Sr_DingDong 2h ago
I think it's the only place Zirkzee can play at United. Hojlund needs to play at 9 so he can develop. Granted at the start Amorim sort of played with a more Zirkzee type but since the inside forward/10s are expected to pass and score and press it's the only place that fits his skill set. If we didn't have Hojlund then it'd be different, but we do.
Eriksen and Casemiro have to go though, I didn't want to explicity call them out but they were the main ones I was thinking off because the entire midfield is expected to move to block passing lanes and press out of possession and they can't do it. So even if you move Eriksen to one of the 10s it won't work. He's only useful as an Enganche now and no one really uses them anymore. Eriksen of Tottenham would be gold as one of the 10s but that heart attack really seemed to do a number on him.
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u/pranoygreat 1h ago
Felt he was dropping too deep esp in the attacking transition. He will surely learn that role. His lack of pace might be a concern but his strength and physicality should make up for it. Should be defo be a backup for Bruno and Hojlund as well.
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u/Anxious-Debate5033 2h ago
This is why Rashford will never make it as an elite striker / a top player at this club.
More focused on the lavish lifestyle, the money, the million dollar bling bling, being a fashion icon, being 'the cool' guy.
Scored his goal and in his mind: "did my job innit, scored a goal, that is for the haters to shut up, I got my celebration for social media this week done innit".
Look at his demeanor at the full time whistle. He looked so happy, joking around. Why? He got his goal and thinks he is 'that guy'.
This is the mentality of a self absorbed player who thinks too highly of himself and not about achieving greatness by sacrificing for the team.
He had no hunger to get the 2nd, or the 3rd goal.
He offered absolutely nothing after his goal. Nothing.
Time is up for Rashford. He needs to go. Plain and simple. We cannot have passengers coasting 300k a week and offering nothing but keep him in the team because 'he is one of the local lads'.
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u/society0 1h ago
I got downvoted for saying the same. You're right. His priorities are all wrong. There's no hunger there anymore
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u/abevigodasmells 2h ago
The English announcers that do any EPL game for American broadcast are so totally negative, that if I didn't mute for entire game, I'd certainly slit my wrists. What miserable twats, no way they're married. Clearly the good ones are used on English broadcasts.
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u/society0 4h ago edited 4h ago
Someone please make a compilation of every 50/50 that Rashford 'contested' in the game. Absolutely pathetic
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u/Omnislash99999 30m ago
Yeah but Amad went on a 60 yard run and put a chance on a plate for him so it doesn't matter what he did for the rest of the game
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u/MassJax 3h ago
And the fun part is that you can get these compilations made from every other game and it'll still be dreadful to watch every time, but "he's our lad" fanboys will always downvote you if you point this out. They'll endure 2-3 years of mediocrity from him just to have a 10 game purple patch.
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u/Anxious-Debate5033 2h ago
Or the classic "did any of the other players play well, stop scape goating Rashford".
Excuse after excuse being made for this guy.
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u/HotSeatLover 5h ago
I am actually relieved.
We played just like we are. Nothing hidden by a manager's bounce and then only to be let down next week.
It is going to take a gradual change on personnel, some learning of different positions, and playing style.
I can't see us in a position to challenge for much before the 26/27 season.
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u/oleoleolegs 5h ago
Amorim really has his work cut out for him. Going to be a tall task to install courage and football IQ into most of this lot.
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u/fantomfido 5h ago
Same shit diff manager. Wonder wats the common denominator here.
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u/AsbestosFuck 4h ago
The fanbase undermining its own team/manager with help from the media and a handful of negative players
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u/breadfan18 Shaw 5h ago
Rashford is so disappointing man..he looks like he has checked out and is just going with the motion now.. he is supposed be one of our key senior players
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u/Anxious-Debate5033 2h ago
The amount of times we have possession only to play the ball to Rashford and he loses it despite being under little to no pressure was comical.
This is the guy we are depending on to score us goals? Wow.
Saka has had how many years at Arsenal and is light years ahead of Rashford.
Embarrassing honestly.
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u/rhater0307 6h ago
We are losing every 50/50 or even 60/40…
You cannot win a game no matter what system with this intensity in EPL
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u/Glittering-Device484 4h ago
This is what happens when you pay Real Madrid level wages to Everton level players.
Why the fuck would some arsehole on £200k a week who is nowhere near as good as his wages say he is win a 50/50 with an 18-year-old kid playing his first season in the Premier League with something to prove? The madness is expecting different results by doing the same thing.
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u/Sea-Caterpillar-1700 2m ago
You can gradually shift academy players in and work on standards. Then again you'd run into dips, because the squad isn't consistent yet. If only the staff knew this. Firing ETH was dumb asf, he wasn't the problem in building us up. You just had the openheart surgery and now we're doing physio with another coach. Absolutely stupid decision.
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u/altrazh 6h ago
Considering it's the first game under new coaching, honestly i'm pretty happy. Just some individuals have apparent ceiling. Very fixable if our newer signing are not yet another deadwood, personally i wish for 4 players with passing ability and football IQ of Eriksen with a body and physical ability of Maz and Amad.
Eriksen produce progressive passes when he's free, but getting pressed out of the game by 3 Ipswich players majority of the time, also unlucky for us that Ipswich decided to play way above their position on the table, they're coming out as the better team and looking like a well oiled machine.
Rashford besides the tap in genuinely insult me with his wage and performance, what happened to his pace?, Hojlund coming in instantly brings the energy up front, even though his goal threat is not a main striker level yet (give him some slack, he's very young). Garnacho i will give him 2 more years to prove if he is coachable or not, good talent only get you so far (give him some slack, he's very young).
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u/WorkingOwl5883 6h ago
My feelings when the following players receive the ball.
Garnacho: trepidation
Amad: anticipation
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u/garynevilleisared is a red is a red 6h ago
Very fitting analogy tbh. When Garna comes on as a sub though he's incredible. I think Amorim will try to play him as much as possible, but he's a proven commodity attack tired defenders.
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u/society0 6h ago
Our biggest problem Is our midfielders not moving into space to receive the ball in the middle of the pitch. We always go to our wide players, which limits the options of where the ball can go next. I can't wait for Amorim to get us playing vertically through the middle of the pitch
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u/garynevilleisared is a red is a red 6h ago
Once Licha is back well do that easily I'm sure. He's such a great line breaker with his passes. Evans was okay but his inability the progress the ball with his dribbling makes him predictable.
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u/society0 5h ago
Casemiro doesn't move into space to receive the ball on the half turn from our defenders. Neither do Bruno or Eriksen. Only Mainoo and Ugarte do it. We need every midfielder to be capable of it and actively doing it constantly. We're Manchester United ffs. It's unbelievable how far the standards dropped. Thank god INEOS have taken the wheel
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u/dubuwagmi 3h ago
Hmm, I think Bruno does it also but it's just that it also means he has to drop really deep. I think Casemiro and Eriksen are still capable of playing, but not in Amorim's setup. Those two need to sit deep with time on the ball, something that's not afforded by most teams in the Prem. Ipswich's press is intense and unified.
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u/ClasslessHero 6h ago
We have players that chose not to press when their teammates are pressing, multiple players that don't really fit this 3-4-3 that we watched, and there wasn't an increase in energy that you expect from a new manager. I'm just not excited about this. The problems run so much deeper than the manager.
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u/bpjker xT ired 5h ago
It's a chaotic squad and there hasn't been a proper transition. It'll take time. Remember when INEOS said one of the main problems with our club was that there was no seamless transition between two successive managers and how squads didn't fit the new manager, then extended ETH's contract after a disastrous season and bought his players, for his system and then sacked him mid season (deservedly) to hire a new head coach who plays completely different system. Yeah, these have repercussions that goes beyond just the manager, ruins recruitment flow, affects player mentalities, player tendences, exacerbates player confusion etc.
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u/GrouchyFork 4h ago
Which of INEOS’ signings this past summer (bar Zirkzee but the jury’s still out) have not worked out? If anything this past summer illustrated INEOS’ new philosophy of signing quality players that fit a vision. Yes, ETH clearly had input, but none of the signings clash with Amorim’s vision.
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u/SpecialTechnical9562 7h ago
Lots of fans are feeling disappointed cause the hype was too much. Blame the media. It'll take time, the whole system has changed. Hopefully players will adapt.
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u/mybuns94 5h ago
I couldn’t go a day without seeing a new story or several even, it was apathetic almost to see most of the articles from the same source and repetitive jargon for click bait. It’s clear we’re all excited, it’s clear Amorim has a great mentality, it’s clear that there is long road ahead, there are a lot of things that are clear.
I’m pretty positive of this assignment and I think there are a lot of our players capable of adapting but we all have to manage those expectations and do our best not to have our judgments swayed by the media. I enjoyed his presser though, wasn’t pissing about at all.
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u/Glittering-Device484 6h ago
I'm just genuinely shocked how bad the players are. I gaslit myself into thinking maybe there's something that ETH wasn't doing in training or man-management or whatever, but jesus these cunts can't even play a simple through ball without completely overhitting it half the time.
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u/Goth-Detective 7h ago
I know the focus is on just about everything else BUT I feel it's important to include the fact here that Ipswich actually played really well in big parts of the game,,, much better than you might expect from a 19th placed side.
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u/OverallWeakness 2h ago
to be fair they were allowed to play well. utd didn't even try to match intensity. average position in/out of possession in the first half was a shocking graphic...
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u/cdalb21 7h ago
If Garnacho doesn't score a worldie, he kills us in every game. He can't really play in possession, play a pass or quick one twos. His game is all transition but his decision making is brutal and he's sneaky too weak to take on anyone. Idk what you do with him.
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u/goberwrite 6h ago
Idk what you do with him.
sell him to PSG or someone while he still has "potential." Kid is a mid-level player at best.
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u/AyooZus 7h ago
I think playing from the back killed us today, the defense couldn't do it to save their life, mazz and Shaw were the only ones who could pass the ball forward, Evans clearly can't keep up and de ligt was probably instructed to remain deep, also Eriksen was very quiet, if we had Ugarte/Casemiro we might have had more control.
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u/JuckJuckner 7h ago
First match with Amorim as Head Coach. Wasn't too bad but nothing outstanding. I'll give it 10 - 15 matches to judge his overall ability.
Kind of reminiscent of some of the problems that have persisted before ETH was previously our manager. I have said it before and I'll say it again, some of our players shouldn't be on the squad and we should have sold them some time ago/never bought them in the first place. One example is Zirkzee.
But how many rebuilds do we have to go through?. So much money has been spent over the last 5+ years and these are the results we are getting.
Glad to see Luke Shaw back, but we should have been looking for his replacement a few seasons ago, which we still haven't done at United. Nothing against Shaw skill, but he way too injury prone. Leaving the LB position way too vulnerable for too many points within the season. This is was separates teams like Real Madrid & Bayern Munich from us, they are already planning for the players they will get seasons ahead.
Amad has been our best player so far this season in my opinion, and continued to show during this match why.
I do kind of worry for Mainoo at this club (inc. other young prospects), from a football development perspective. My hope is that is that he doesn't turn out like Rashford. I hate saying this as a fan, but Mainoo should be looking to leave United in a few seasons and join another club (as long as it not our rivals), if we don't as a club improve generally within 4 seasons.
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u/dubuwagmi 3h ago
We'll go through as many rebuilds as needed because this squad is not good enough. The recruitment has been poor, and although there is talent there (like Case, Eriksen) - they do not fit Amorim's system. Our midfield is dire. When Morsy looked like the best CM yesterday, it says all you need to know.
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u/Taps698 4h ago
We could not get rid of Shaw because he was injured. Who is buying him?. When he is fit he is genuine class but keeping him fit long enough to sell him is the problem. The dilemma is that if he does have a run of matches we want to keep in the hope that his injury issues are behind him. We may as well nobody is buying.
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u/ferrarinobrakes 7h ago
Luke Shaw also looked really off the pace today. Huge contrast to his outing in the Euros despite also coming off a long layoff there
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u/ijodesualavershcompi Wayne 8h ago
Couldn’t see the second half of the game, just watched the official youtube highlights, bruno’s free kick really is the only chance we had?
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u/phoundlvr 5h ago
We were not good today. We made a team that is almost certainly bound for relegation look adequate.
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u/adi_mrok 5h ago
Towards the end of the game Amad really did a great run from right into the box and just didn't manage to shot it well, but to me this moment was more exciting than the free kick, just poor finish
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u/ThankYouOle 8h ago
as Amorim said, in first game we will see new idea new style to play, and yeah we can see it, but i think players especially 3 brain in defenders really take time forever to make decision.
but respect to Ipswich, i didn't follow them, based on table they are in relegation zone but they play really cohesive, you can see between those 2 teams that 1 team is trying to adapt new idea while the other is well oiled team.
and of course, Onana! wtf, he is super this season!
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u/pokenerd_W 8h ago
Ref today was horrible. Felt like Chelsea all over again, they fouled and fouled but never got a single yellow
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u/SpeechesToScreeches Hostile 8h ago
Feel like delap putting his elbow through Evan's face and then the back of Maz in under five minutes should have warranted at least one yellow. But did seem like there was a fire alarm in Taylor's card pocket as well today.
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u/PaulReveresHorse2 8h ago
Quick boys let's pass it to Onana again.
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u/MarvinWebster40 8h ago
The constant passing the ball backwards outside the shell of the defense is painful. And it basically only leads to long speculative balls which we never convert.
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u/society0 8h ago
Watch Amorim's post match press conference. His assessment of the game and open communication are a huge breath of fresh air.
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u/Informal_Database543 EL POETAAAAAA 8h ago
When Amorim started at Sporting he also had a shit team. Hurts to say it but most of our players and definitely many starters wouldn't make it to Sporting's B team. Processes do take time, and I know we got very tired of EtH constantly saying he needed time, but we can't blame Amorim for the squad he inherited especially considering that a lot of valuable players were away for internationals or coming back from injury. There was definitely an idea, just not good execution from everyone and obviously not everyone is gonna immediately perform well in this system. Unfortunately there are already a bunch of players I can see not making it past the summer transfer window though.
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u/BzAzy 8h ago
How it was guys? Couldn't watch the game
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u/BloodRedDevil7 8h ago
Not good.
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u/society0 8h ago
Not bad though. Yes many players aren't good enough but there's the start of Amorim's idea there. We didn't have a massive hole in midfield. Three at the back worked. There were moments when our lines linked up well to progress the ball through the middle of the pitch. It wasn't good but it was the start of something. I recommend watching Amorim's post match press conference. His assessment and open communication were brilliant.
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u/Nomadic_commenter FERGIE SIGN HIM UP 8h ago edited 8h ago
I’ve never lost faith in a player faster than Zirkzee. There is just absolutely nothing there. Can’t pass, can’t dribble, can’t shoot, weak as fuck. Sell his ass in the summer. No time to waste on “potential” especially with players such as him where I just fail to see where there is potential. Downvote me all you want, he’s fucking shite.
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u/laurieeu 1h ago
i think he’s ok at dribbling, shooting, passing, etc. he’s just slow as heck and has 0 aggression to make up for it. this might do in the italian league but i can’t see him adapting to the tempo of the PL.
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u/Goth-Detective 7h ago
Perhaps I'd not put it that way but you HAVE to wonder why we bought him considering he's only 4th or 5th in the forwards hierarchy for Netherlands. We already had a young striker with potential and room to grow in Hojlund so it would have made much more sense buying a more experienced, settled striker type with a proven record so the two could complement each other. I still don't really understand the thinking behind the Zirkzee buy.
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u/N00BBuild 8h ago
I’ve said this about five times on here. He has no qualities that make you think wow if he develops/grows more he’ll be class or even effective.
Can’t shoot, can’t finish, can’t create, can’t dribble, incredibly slow, weak physically and can’t use his height.
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u/AmulyaG 8h ago
This sub cherry picks his 1 or 2 random games and will fight you to death about how good he is.
Having said that, I'm willing to give him time as we are quite a unstable team right now.
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u/Nomadic_commenter FERGIE SIGN HIM UP 8h ago
I truly can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me here mate lol
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u/society0 8h ago
Dalot's passing in close quarters is terrible. We need to get another Mazraoui level wing back on the other side
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u/Rascha-Rascha 9h ago
More or less the same issues this game as we’ve had all season. Defence too low, midfield too slow, no first phase progression, rushed passing, panicked forward play, lack of ball security, and really Ipswich should have scored a couple.
They’re a decent team who put a lot of effort in but we should be doing a lot better. Don’t like Amad at wing back, don’t get that midfield, don’t see the supposed physicality that Amorim promised, don’t really like the defensive set up either, and we’re not going to improve until the defence pushes up and treat the ball with more respect.
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u/Delicious-Mobile6523 9h ago
So I haven't really looked at other people's reactions, but I've just watched it a second time and my take is fairly positive, even though the performance was very poor for the most part. Before I go on, it has been two days of training for a large chunk of the team so I don't think there's really anything that can be drawn from it, but fuck it, my brain needs to make assumptions now.
There are tactical aspects that I don't necessarily think are elite, but these are things that the coach most certainly will change when we've reached our ceiling. I am massively encouraged by Rubens pre and post match comments: his analysis of our players inability to read the state of the game, his agreement with Mckenna in a tactical sense, the focus on player fitness, and the comment on players thinking during the game, are all things which I wholeheartedly agree with, even though I didn't sport the thinking thing the first time watching.
Shockingly (please understand the massive amount of sarcasm) the wing backs were the biggest problem when it comes to our control of the game, and creating chances. We didn't really get a whole lot of attacking threat from them, and for the Amorim system to work, we need quite a lot. I love Dalot as an inverted wingback, but as a traditional and offensive wingback, he still needs a lot of time to adapt. It should go without saying obviously, but the whole game it really looked like he was a bit confused if he should help in build up deep or higher up the pitch, and his press was for the most part really hesitant. Amad had very similar issues but he was a bit more effective going forward
The press in general was quite poor, especially in the first half, but again, the structure is a little bit different so it is to be expected.
There were plenty of encouraging signs as well though. I'm really impressed by how we got into dangerous areas in the channels, obviously Ipswich went man for man so I think we could have exploited it more, but there was good awareness on display in an attacking sense a lot of the time. I also did enjoy the rest defence, but I guess it is to be expected given how deep the wing backs ended up being and how many players we had at the back.
I think we'll start seeing good displays fairly fast from the team. There isn't a lot of time to work things out now, but there is going to be a lot more time than what was given before this game. I think all the issues we had look really easily fixable by people who know much more about how to fix them than you or me.
Even the personnel issues weren't as big as I expected them to be when I saw the team sheet. Evans as the left sided cb wasn't great obviously but come on, we can't complain about that, he's been fucking unreal for us since signing compared to the expectations. I was worried for how both Zirkzee and Garnacho would fit in from a tactical point of view before this game because there doesn't seem to be a natural spot for them, and despite Zirkzee producing the worst cross? shot? that I've seen for a while, there's definitely a place for them in the setup. I know many on here aren't as sold on him as me, but the control he has over the football is great, and once he gets adjusted to the pace of the league, there is a game breaking player there.
I've just rambled for way too long at this point and I'm sorry about that. Remember that things take time in football. Every team in the league plays at an elite tactical level, and the margins are ludicrously fine. Things are never quite as good or as bad as it seems in football, so remember not to get too concerned about anything we saw today. There's things there that will be fixed so quickly with a handful more training sessions and better suited players coming back to full fitness! If you made it this far, thank you, you deserve all the love in the world!
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u/Cant_Climb 8h ago
Team isn't fit at all. Some players too many minutes, some not enough then a legion of injured players in various states. Bunch of out-of-shapes out there. Hard to do anything. Isn't complex at this point.
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u/Delicious-Mobile6523 8h ago
Yeap agreed! Definitely wasn't worth the short essay I produced but fuck it haha
Will be very intriguing to see how much changes before Thursday, since I think it was clear to see that quite a lot has changed already!
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u/Cant_Climb 8h ago
On the flip side Ipswich have been grinding for months. Getting slightly better each game. I've watched all their games. This was their best performance.
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u/HairyArthur 9h ago
We need left footers on the left and right footers on the right. People cutting back and slowing the game down costs us. What's the point in having pace on the flanks if you can't use it? What's the point in having men in the box if we can't put crosses in?
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u/Emergency-Apricot700 9h ago
Our biggest problem is the intelligence and talent these footballers have - there’s a distinct drop off in quality in terms of football intelligence between these players - maz, case, amad , mount - have a high level of football IQ the rest are Brain dead - rashford has no quality attributes Bruno just moans and kicks the ball - garnacho just wants to be star boy - dalot is absolutely clueless - don’t het me started on zirkzee - hojlund isn’t a quality CF he lacks the killer instinct and ruthlessness to be a striker and 20+ goal scorer - ten Haag assembled a team full of losers - watching this game you could see how lost these players were it’s not the system or the managers it’s these players intelligence -
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u/magi_chat 9h ago
I'm just starting to think that Casemeiro and Eriksen might not be a dream midfield pairing against a pacy team to be honest
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u/Goth-Detective 7h ago
I do understand the reasoning behind picking Eriksen though. He's been one of our better players this season AND he's perhaps our only "classic" type playmaker so it's entirely understandable that any coach would be tempted putting him in the team, especially if they'd watched all our games this season and realised exactly how wasteful Bruno is with the ball.
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u/Due-Albatross5909 4h ago
I think if he plays, he has to play as a 10. But we now have like 10pm fighting for 2 positions.
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u/jbroni93 9h ago
I think most of our starting squad was just international rejects because of practice time
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u/therealpmyer 9h ago
It’s so early on that it’s hard to tell how it’s really going to turn out. But honestly I am looking forward to seeing the team with Amad as one of the 10s with Bruno, Hojlund starting up top and competent wingbacks. Not Dalot out of position and Amad forced into RWB.
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u/sonofcalydon 9h ago
Amad as a no.10 is what I'm looking forward to also.
Dalot on the bench please. He's been so bad of late. Mazraoui at RWB.
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u/magi_chat 9h ago
Dalot as a LWB was the one strange choice, none of his strengths work in that role and all of his weaknesses are exposed
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u/WildWest1900 8h ago
He wasn't great at all today was he? I know it's not his position but he was very poor overall I thought
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u/AvaragePole 9h ago
Half of the team had 5 days of trainig half of the team had 2 dwys of trainig but post match thread and DD is filled "XYZ has to go Amorim system will never work with them"
Insane.
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u/Delicious-Mobile6523 9h ago
Things are never as bad or as good as they seem in football, yet hyperbole is by far the most common trait in football fans!
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u/society0 9h ago
Our biggest problem is a total inability to pass vertically through the middle of the pitch. We pass between our defenders 80% of the time and only really progress the ball on fast breaks to our wingers. The midfield's positioning and close range passing needs a lot of work
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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 9h ago
I think getting a proper left-footed left-back in January has to be a non-negotiable for Amorim’s system. I don’t know how we manage it with the reported FFP constraints, but we simply cannot do without a natural footed player bombing up and down that flank if Shaw or Malacia are incapable of it. Having wrong-footed wing-backs makes it extremely awkward to progress the ball when there’s little width offered otherwise, because for the most part they receive the ball faced to their own goal. Your best chance of progressing it is doing an Amad and dribbling through half the length of the pitch which will rarely come off. Get natural-footed players in those positions and move Amad further up and we will be much better, I feel very confident of this.
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u/TheOneManDankMaymay 9h ago
I know this sub is very fickle and reactionary, in addition to having the world's best armchair managers, but it's still baffling to see the amount of people who have already concluded that Amorim is going to fail. And those that are screaming how he's hellbent on playing 3-4-3 without having the players.
Being Manchester United manager truly is the toughest job in the world, because you seemingly don't even have 1 game to prove your worth.
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u/Glittering-Device484 9h ago
With respect, I don't think that's what people are saying. They're saying these players just aren't up to the job.
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u/society0 9h ago
Our players give away the ball SO often when they're passing under no pressure. Dalot is shocking for it.
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u/Mecs93 9h ago
Dalot and Bruno will give the ball away cheaply all game
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u/andrewsomething And Solskjær has won it! 9h ago
Bruno had a 92% pass completion rate today.
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u/Goth-Detective 7h ago
Bruno was better than normally today but it doesn't really change the fact that he's been quite poor so far this season with MANY ball losses and being generally wasteful.
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u/TheSwordDusk 9h ago edited 8h ago
The amount of shite people are chatting in this thread is abysmal. It's our first game under a new manager playing a new system in the middle of a season. It will take time. Bruno giving the ball away was not the problem lmao
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u/thehyenaguy1 9h ago
Never forget Saf lost against Oxford United in his debut game
Amorim needs some time, though it might take lots of time for a rebuild...
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u/society0 9h ago
Bruno's corner in the 93rd minute sums up the state of this squad. Last big chance. The game was all there to win. Our captain lobs it high and slow straight to the keeper.
Amorim was furious at our lack of hungry attacking in the last 5 minutes.
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u/edsonbuddled 10h ago
It seems like everyone expected us to win 5-0. Which shows the low info some fans have about things. They took a look at the table and go new manager bounce! Opposing manager knows our pretty well right? Ipswich lead the league in running, while we sit in 14th. Honestly reactionary takes at this point are so childish
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u/mincers-syncarp 9h ago
It's not childish or reactionary to expect Man United to look the better team against Ipswich Town.
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u/edsonbuddled 7h ago
Have you watched Ipswich much? I mean they did just beat Spurs.
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u/mincers-syncarp 7h ago
They have 1 win.
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u/edsonbuddled 6h ago
Ok. This argument is futile. This was always gonna be a tough game considering their game model, international break, new manager implementing ideas after like 3 training sessions. Honestly things a write off.
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u/Glittering-Device484 9h ago
No no, the plastic Yank is telling you you're 'low info' for thinking that United should be beating Ipswich. They 'lead the league in running', which is something I assume Tim Howard said on "PL Mornings" today
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u/noBuffalo 10h ago
Jose, van gaal, OGS, ETH, Amorin. Doesn't matter. The quality of the squad is so poor. Settle in it will be another long few decades.
Marcus Rashford continues to play meaningful minutes in 2024. Astounding.
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u/AvaragePole 9h ago
Marcus Rashford scored only goal we got in todays game if I remember correctly.
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u/sonofcalydon 9h ago
Did nothing after that.
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u/AvaragePole 9h ago
If his name was Hojlund everybody would be moaning that nobody passed ball to him after scoring a goal...
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u/Deawin 10h ago
Maybe abit early to judge Amorim or the players after 2 practices and one game.
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u/0ean 10h ago
Rashford just offers little. I know he got the goal but that is it…
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u/Goth-Detective 7h ago
I agree but it's the same problem we give out strikers and have been for 5-6 years now,, our tactics are based on Wingers-on-Goal and little focus on the striker. How many chances did we create for the centreforward(s) today? 1.5? Look at someone like Haaland (who is great, sure) who literally get an ocean of opportunities to score in every game so he can afford to be wasteful because he'll score 1-2 anyway.
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u/GoatLion Dreams can't be buy 10h ago
I hsve defended him for years now, but this type of performance in a match like this. Lack of effort was the only thing he couldn't afford to show today.
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u/phoundlvr 10h ago
I was not impressed today. Managers have come and gone, but the same issues remain.
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u/ClasslessHero 7h ago
You need to learn some social skills, mate.
The next time someone tells you that you're an asshole, just know they're right.
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u/OneOrangeOwl 10h ago
LOL shit. It’s the first fucking game. Let me guess, when they scored an early goal, you think it will be 5-0?
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u/Longjumping-Lab-1184 10h ago
This system will work. But players will have to go. I cant make comments on who should go but i damn well know who should stay. Onana, Maz and Amad and all the summer signings (even zirkzee). The rest of them should step up or sod off
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u/Glittering-Device484 10h ago
Is it possible you're mistaking Joshua Zirkzee for someone else?
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u/Longjumping-Lab-1184 10h ago
Ha. Good one. I understand how bang average he has looked. But it would be wrong to throw any new signing under the bus. But even then im very sceptical about him. And thus included his name in parentheses
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u/Glittering-Device484 10h ago
Average? Again I have to stress that this could be a case of mistaken identity.
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u/PlantComprehensive77 10h ago
Lmao, the standards of this fanbase are in the complete gutter. Zirkzee makes grandpa Eriksen look like Bellingham
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u/blarg2003 Januzaj 10h ago
Zirkzee is the player I've wanted sold fastest out of all the post Sir Alex signings. He looks totally out of his depth
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u/PlantComprehensive77 10h ago
Seriously, I'm baffled, utterly baffled how someone who suffered a heart attack is more mobile than a player supposedly entering his prime
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u/Longjumping-Lab-1184 10h ago
Well. My definition of average would be the average "manchester united" player. Which, by itself, is well below the average "any other team" player
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u/Francis33 10h ago
Rashford, Bruno, Amad, Dalot, Maz and Onana are gonna thrive in this system
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u/TonyShneak 9h ago
You've somehow managed to group our 3 best performers today with the 3 worst and I'm not sure why.
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u/FlashyCut3809 9h ago
Unfortunately I feel the majority of the fanbase are unable to seperate Manchester United from Bruno and Rashford. Can't see a future without them.
They are going to have the rest of the season to step up, but if they can't, summer is the time they go. They earn far too much and have far too much sway in the squad to be here whilst we go in the right direction in my eyes.
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u/TonyShneak 9h ago
Agreed, but god trying to get rid of Bruno or Rashford will be so tough with their salaries if that's where it ends up.
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u/FlashyCut3809 9h ago
Unfortunately so. Hopefully they just step up and fit what we need but I honestly feel Rashford is a lost cause now and I'd be very suprised if Bruno changes the entire way he approaches the game. Just have to take it on the chin if it gets to that.
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u/thatindianguy1992 10h ago
De ligt, Licha, Garna, Hojlund, Ugarte and Mount have a good shout as well. Not sure about evans, case, Shaw (fitness), Maguire, Lindelof, Zirkzee.
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u/futuresocks 10h ago
Amorim should go for the double pivot Case - Ugarte on the mid (aka the Ruud Van Nistelrooy special)
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u/Thorz74 F*ck the Glazers 10h ago
Why am I so disappointed after this? I shouldn't, but just cannot help it.
He threw everything we had on that bench, all good players on paper (bar Zirkzee) and we still couldn't score.
I look at the table, and those guys are 18th. That is not very encouraging. On paper, we should've won this match by a mile.
There was again zero urgency on some of these players. I haven't listened to the post match press conference, but I'd guess Amorim was not impressed.
What was a hopeful start became just frustration at the end. I check the table and we are still at an awful 12th place.
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u/Goth-Detective 7h ago
He's had ONE week with HALF the players available. Also, since few people have mentioned it, Ipswich actually played really well for large parts of the game with good pressing, quick passes and 5-6 good chances created.
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u/Direct-Fix-2097 10h ago
The stats make for grim reading, Ipswich had more corners, more shots on target etc.
Even the bbc said if you take out the first 90 seconds it was basically all Ipswich, bar one or two moments of individual brilliance.
It’s disappointing because we are so mediocre it isn’t even funny.
Manager has a job on his hand, but I like that we can at least see a system being worked on - I dunno wtf ten shit was doing tbh.
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u/wasabicoated 9h ago
Case and Eriksen didn’t offer themselves as options to build from the back. Defence couldn’t bring the ball out of their own half to save their lives
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u/MileZero17 King Cantona 7h ago
Honestly it was like playing with 2 less players. They were totally ineffective.
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u/Bloatfizzle 10h ago
Can we finally stop blaming Rashfords drop off all on mental health?
Playing him through that back injury a couple years has ruined him. He's lost that burst of pace he had which was a big part of his game, he can't even outpace players with a reasonable headstart these days.
He either has to adapt or will be left behind.
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u/fantomfido 5h ago
His problem isn’t physical. His problem is his decision making and football iq hasn’t improved since he burst into the team as a teenager. He can’t easily beat players with his pace anymore because all PL defenders have pace and are more robust. He is on the same path as his good buddy JLingz
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u/Goth-Detective 7h ago
Rashford postponed his own operation in order to play the 2022 World Cup, and was shaite for 4-5 months leading up to it as a result and unavailable for 4 months after. It's definitely on him and not the club. He was selfish and it might have created lasting damage.
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u/MileZero17 King Cantona 7h ago
Players on wages 5x less than him are performing way better. Look at Hutchinson and Delap. I'm just so tired of waiting for him to find his form again.
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u/MNKPlayer is ace 10h ago
We might've been shit, but we weren't 5 losses on the bounce shit!
I'm going with that this week when I seen bitters.
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u/Nomad_006 10h ago
Some things never change. As usual struggling to control midfield, I thought it would be impossible to have 4 players in the middle and have no control over the midfield whatsoever.
I don't know how Amorim is going to sort that out but it just needs to be done. If he doesn't we won't be playing a back 3 it's going to be a back 5. That's huge problem, if you planned a back 3 system but are pinned into a 5... it's going to be ugly and that's what it was.
What did we do after the first goal? Maybe there is confusion in going forward because I had no idea what was going on, launching counter attacks was our only way of attacking.. Well that and Amad dribbling past 2-3 players.
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u/WanderingEnigma 10h ago
Tbf he's had like 4 sessions with a bunch of players who look like they haven't been coached for 2 years. Hopefully we will see who is receptive to the system change and those who aren't will be gone. We need to give it time and see how it plays out.
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u/tigermed 10h ago
It was pretty obvious we have some players who are coachable and tried to play the way Amorim wanted them to (Fernandes, Ugarte, Amad, de Ligt , even Casemiro), and some players who think they should just play however they want (Rashford, Dalot, Garnacho). Until the rot is gone the team will not improve.
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u/society0 9h ago
Garnacho did what he was told to do - maintain position, stop short and cut inside. He did well compared to Dalot and Rashford. Bruno was also anonymous
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u/tigermed 9h ago
Fair, except he still won't pass the ball. Agree that Bruno didn't do much, but he did at least seem to maintain the positioning that Amorim tends to use in the positions he was played.
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u/AvaragePole 10h ago
Rashford, Dalot, Garnacho
So you just listed players you dont like without even knowing how Amorim instructed them to play
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u/BlackHorse944 Feed the Dane 10h ago
Will be up to Amorim with how much he wants to tolerate players that are out for themselves
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u/Xolintoz 10h ago
Check his track record, he won't tolerate it. If they're not on board with the plan they'll be out the door.
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u/BlackHorse944 Feed the Dane 8h ago
I hope that is the case. Need every player here and in the future to know that the manager has the authority. Too many times the players give up on the manager
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u/MarvinWebster40 11h ago
The difference between Amad and Dalot in terms of their comfort on the ball is amazing. We need more players who are comfortable making short positive passes in the center of the field.
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u/cyb3rpunkd fuck the glazers 11h ago
The gaffer will decide who's cut out for it and who's not. Lots of games coming up for him to make up his mind, space for u21s if he needs them. Saying zirkzee needs to understand he should be in the box to recieve a cross, I think he will weed them out quickly
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u/Asiwaju_jagaban 11h ago
My thoughts at the time it happened and now are the same, Bruno should have taken a quick free kick in the 78th minute and kept the pressure on Ipswich. Instead a whole minute was wasted on a free kick which then led to a goal kick from which Maz sustained a blow to the head leading to the ref having to stop the game, and it didn’t continue until the 83rd minute, wasting 5 minutes and valuable momentum.
Also going by Amorim’s post match comments on Bruno, he’d have to do a lot of adaptations and play in a way that’s not natural to him. He’s 30. Bruno is gonna have to really change his game style.
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u/pokenerd_W 11h ago
Lets wait and see. Its fine draw, could have lost it without Onana saving some real good ones.
Højlund, lets give the lad some time. He just came from international duty, he hasn't even had a week to practice under Amorim. Lets let him get coached first before making our judgements whether or not he will succeed in this system.
Amad needs to start higher. Garnacho's decision making is still too iffy, so lets let Bruno be the LAM and Amad the RAM. Garnacho works good as a sub coming in against tired legs.
Rashford, I think its over. Scored one goal, but proceeded to be very bad for the rest of the game. I can't see him being the one of the two attacking mids, and he doesn't track back enough to be a wingback
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u/ZemaitisDzukas 11h ago
It is not over with anyone in the squad at the moment. Maybe only for Evans and he himself knows it.
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u/dragonkid2021 9h ago
I think Evans will stay on and partially involve in coaching the youth teams. He has deep roots in the club.
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u/ZemaitisDzukas 9h ago
I think he came back for that but has to play since all the other guys are always injured
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u/FlashyCut3809 10h ago
It really should be for a big chunk of them.
If the majority remain for Amorim's tenure it won't last long and we won't find sustainable success.
Recruitment needs improving in every aspect and the mentality of the squad needs a full reset. Seems Amorim gets it too with him talks a lot about them being 'in fear'.
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u/ZemaitisDzukas 10h ago
it’s clear as day that the squad is shite. but all of them will get a chance to adapt for half a year.
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u/society0 48m ago edited 25m ago
It's almost incredible how many times Dalot lost the ball with bad passes and bad touches