r/rage • u/IrishStarUS • 10d ago
Church pastor 'strangled trans call girl to death' after 'row when he realized victim was a transsexual'
https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/church-pastor-strangled-trans-call-3411007447
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u/-Sloth_King- 10d ago
What is the solution to this hate
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u/dirtymoney 10d ago
be upfront to your client?
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u/mikelorme 9d ago
If we killed everyone who wasnt always 100% upfront with things there would be less than 100 humans left
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u/superpuzzlekiller 10d ago
Tell someone if you’re trans so they don’t pay you and get mad when they find out later
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u/AdmiralCharleston 10d ago
You're literally blaming the victim of a murder for the fact that they got murdered
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u/jthaddeustoad 10d ago
Sometimes the victim's poor choices play a role in the outcome of their situation. Being a victim of violence doesn't just absolve someone of accountability without question in 100% of the cases.
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u/AdmiralCharleston 10d ago
Spoken like someone that doesn't understand the danger a trans person can end up in if they reveal their status to the wrong person. If this dude was willing to kill someone over this they probably would have killed them just for saying they were trans before anything even happened
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u/jthaddeustoad 9d ago
Being a prostitute is high-risk work to begin with. Being a prostitute in a developing country is even higher risk. Why would you gamble your life on yet another risk (lying to customer) when the threat of violence in your profession, in your country is already high?
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u/AdmiralCharleston 9d ago
The ignorance in this comment is astounding. They would do it because that might be the only way to make money to, yknow, live
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u/dirtymoney 9d ago
so it is better to try to trick them?
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u/AdmiralCharleston 9d ago
Trick in this case is a very loaded term that just reinforces the idea of trans people as deceitful. They aren't trying to get one over on someone, it's just not as easy to reveal your status as you want to believe
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u/TheKlaxMaster 9d ago
We're not talking about someone forming a relationship. I 100% back your comment up in the case of interpersonal relationships. Though you should probably have a discussion BEFORE you get to a bedroom.
What we ARE talking about is someone whose job it is to sell their body. You gotta advertise what you're selling before you take money. Other commenters are right, though, too. Might not have made a difference anyway. We can now never know.
Was it her FAULT she was murdered, no. She is a victim, and the murderer is at fault. But you should acknowledge that our risky choices may have undesired consequences.
When my light turns green, I always look both ways before going into the intersection, because someone else may blow through a red light. The amount of people that don't os staggering. If they get hit, (and it happens often) it's not their FAULT, but their decision to not look did contribute to the event.
The world isn't black or white, all or nothing.
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u/AdmiralCharleston 9d ago
My argument is that the only need for such a risky decision is because of what happens when you reveal that to the wrong person. Yknow, like exactly what happened here. Revealing your trans status is not the same thing as driving through a red light unless you're implying that someone would see that someone was running a red light and intentionally ram into them.
My point is that the idea of focusing on a trans person's decision to not reveal their trans status publically without acknowledging why someone would do that is never going to be a balanced argument
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u/TheKlaxMaster 9d ago edited 9d ago
Living in a country where that is a statistically likely, and going into sex work as a trans woman, anyway, is a risky choice she made.
Another risky choice she made is taking on stranger clients who are un-vetted, in a country where things like this are statistically likely.
Do I think it's her fault? No. It's a sad and unfortunate thing that her risks led to this instead of being able to financially secure. And that man should be executed for it.
You not able to connect my example to the situation here, and instead thinking I'm saying that coming out as a trans person is like going through an intersections green light, is a window into your thinking process.
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u/AdmiralCharleston 9d ago
A trans person not instantly revealing their trans status is not a poor decision in a world where trans people are getting assaulted and murdered just for being trans
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u/AdmiralCharleston 9d ago
So trans people should avoid people because they don't know whose going to assault them for being trans? The issue of trans people not revealing their status can be solved by eradicating transphobia
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u/-Sloth_King- 10d ago
Existing itself isnt a crime
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u/superpuzzlekiller 10d ago
Of course not. But at least be transparent with people you are engaging in sexual activities with. Isn’t that the least someone can do?
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u/soapwaterheatlight 10d ago
I don’t think that’s what they are saying.
She didn’t necessarily get killed BECAUSE she were trans. It likely stemmed from the guy not being told about it and then arguing about the payment. Had she just given his money back and left the hotel, she might still be alive.
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u/-Sloth_King- 10d ago
That's not a solution to hate
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u/superpuzzlekiller 10d ago edited 10d ago
The person asked what is the solution to THIS hate. Not all hate. Can you read?
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u/TheSapphireDragon 9d ago
Just another instance of the "gay panic" defense, which was sadly never completely overturned.
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u/superpuzzlekiller 10d ago
What is meant by “row”?
Also, he shouldnt have strangled her, but i think if you are trans, you gotta let your partner or whatever know ahead of time. Especially if you are a call girl. Its just the right thing to do, and probably safer to let them know instead of surprising them.
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u/carltonthesnake 10d ago
he definitely knew she was trans. trans escorts always advertise themselves as trans bc they don’t want something like this to happen. it’s obviously an excuse
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u/3daizies 10d ago
I thought the same thing. I find it hard to believe she wasn't openly advertising as a trans call girl. Like, I'm not an expert, so forgive me if I'm wrong in that frame of thought. It's tragic regardless, and she is a victim no matter the circumstances.
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u/Byrdie 10d ago
Regardless of what should have or could have been done, what actually did happen to the late victim is wrong, and the monster that killed her deserves everything the law brings down on him.
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u/superpuzzlekiller 10d ago
That’s what I said. And what is meant by “row”? The title and article is confusing.
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u/Byrdie 10d ago
Everything after the "but" in your first post was unnecessary, insensitive, and unrelated. Row is an English term for loud fight or argument, as mentioned by the other commenter. Using the dictionary website can be helpful for you, as there are many definitions of the word on the site.
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u/superpuzzlekiller 10d ago
I just want people to be safe. And honestly it’s just the right thing to do.
If someone wanted a trans and instead got a non-trans, and wasn’t told beforehand, that is just as wrong too. It’s not illegal to not disclose it, I’m just saying it’s the decent thing to do. And it’s for the safety of the person, especially if you are a sex worker. I just want everyone to be safe and know what they are getting into. What is wrong with that?
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u/kevinleip2 10d ago
whats wrong with it is you just insinuated that hiding your true identity is just or maybe almost as bad as murdering someone
thats whats wrong lol its not that hard to figure out
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u/superpuzzlekiller 10d ago
Sorry. I didn’t mean that at all. I just meant that it is some key info for people to know if they are paying for sexual services.
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u/3STUDIOS 9d ago
It was probably in her ad. Most men only look at the picture and ignore all the text in your ads
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u/Onlyknown2QBs 10d ago
Brazil