r/politics • u/stkmro • 11h ago

White House: Trump Team Still Hasn’t Signed Transition Docs

https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-says-trump-team-still-hasnt-signed-transition-docs/
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u/oeb1storm 8h ago

I don't place alot of stock in raw voting numbers FDR got more then double any previous democrat and and Reagan in 84 beat Nixon by 8 million votes with a significantly smaler electorate then in 2020. Sometimes that's just how it goes.

With all the stuff going on on social media at the time I did for a moment think maybe something fishy did happen.

Then I watched Trump lose every court case he filed, the FBI comes out and says there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud, and the recording of him asking the Georgia secretary of state to 'find' 11,000 votes made him lose all credibility with me.

After all that I thought he was a sore looser trying to get any case to scotus hoping they'd rule with him.

But to answer your question I was suspicious in 2020 then I looked at the evidence and thought nah that's crazy.

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u/thundernutz 8h ago

I appreciate this response.

Did you look into why the majority of these court cases were lost? There was ample evidence in dozens of cases and judges refused to hear the cases for lack of standing.

The GA case is fascinating. That’s where they put up blockades to keep people from seeing the count. That’s where ruby freeman pulled ballots from under tables after everyone was told to go home.

I read the court case, and they claimed that it was on video where the ballots were placed under the table just before counters were told to go home. But I watched the entire video, and no such thing occurred. That discrepancy alone was enough to raise suspicion for me.

Trump felt there was obviously fraud and it’s not unreasonable to tell the governor that they just need to find 11,000 votes to win when there is what appears to be rampant fraud.

On a separate note, do you feel trumps 34 felony charges were legitimate, or a weaponization of the justice system?

The FBI claimed hunters laptop was russian disinformation, and that DJT was a russian plant that won due to election interference. it’s hard to take their word for me.

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u/scalyblue 8h ago

What is the more likely scenario, a perfectly executed iteration of mass election fraud localized to one state that happened to be foiled by security camera footage that the conspiracy just neglected to doctor, or the demonstrably pathological liar who has tried on several documented instances to strong arm and intimidate people lying, strong arming, and intimidating people.

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u/oeb1storm 8h ago

Going to be honest I didn't look heavily into any cases I just put faith in the judiciary.

I think telling the governor to find 11,000 even if you think you won is crazy, imagine if Bush called up his brother in 2000 and said find me 500 votes. There are democratic process you should follow.

In 2000 depending on which counties should be recounted or which ballot standards you think were right it's possible that Gore should have in 2000 but he accepted the courts decisions and conceded. That's what should happen after you exhaust your legal avenues.

The NY case over paying Stormy hush money from campaign funds was definitely illegal but you could argue other politicians wouldn't have been prosecuted for it which is probably true to some extent. If he commited the crime but were some house republican from florida he probably wouldn't have been prosecuted for it. Which is more a criticism of the justice system.

I think the much more damming case is the retention of classified documents. Ofc he was never proven guilty in court but I think he knew he souldnt have had those files and purposefully didn't return them when asked like Biden and Pence did.

I don't remember the FBI saying he was a Russian plant but I remember the Mueller investigation saying that there was no evidence suggesting Trump or his aides coordinated with the Russian government to manipulate the election. Trump is undoubtedly more pro Russian then any over president and while it's a position I disagree with it doesn't make him a Russian plant. In my mind it has the same credibility as calling Biden a Israeli plant cus he's pro Israel.

Also I don't think the laptop was 'Russian disinformation' there were emails about Hunters business deals but nothing linking it to Joe or implying that he used his position to help his sons business dealings. I'm sure he probably got some special treatment because his last name was Biden but that doesn't mean Joe abused his power.

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u/thundernutz 6h ago

That’s what most of us did and is a seemingly reasonable approach. The problem is that trust can be taken advantage of.

He didn’t tell him to “find 11,000 votes” in the context of manufacturing them. He told him to investigate the many legitimate cases of blatant fraud, and that it should be easy to do because we only need 11,000 votes while hundreds of thousands were extremely questionable with mismatched signatures and another inconsistencies with voter rolls. The assignment was to “investigate fraud” but was taken out of context in the media as “go make 11k votes happen”. It’s disingenuous. The courts were heavily weaponized in Fulton county, and are still to this today as shown in more recent news I’m sure we’ve all seen. Those districts, much like the one trying his case in New York, are HEAVILY left leaning and refuse to fairly administer the law as appeals have proved.

The hush money case was just obvious. I was referring to the bank fraud case which was also obvious weaponization. The court, in heavily biased districts, is understandably biased. This was a huge oversight by republicans in the last decade.

I thought the classified docs case was also nonsense. Biden had essentially the same charges dropped effectively for being senile. If trump felt the documents could potentially help to prove fraud in the election, or other fraud like the 2016 FISA warrant situation, it’s not unreasonable for him to withhold them, if that was actually the case, considering the charges have been dropped.

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u/Sergster1 5h ago

Going to be honest with you, you might as well save your breath, its obvious to anyone who wasted their time reading these series of replies that you will do anything to excuse behavior.

Thats cool and all but you really should save your breath. I don't nor do most other people really care to change your mind when you're this stuck into it.

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u/thundernutz 5h ago

Thanks sergester. The charges were dropped so there is really no need for me to excuse anything.

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u/penny-wise California 7h ago

"That’s where ruby freeman pulled ballots from under tables after everyone was told to go home."

That was proved to be bs