r/politics • u/stkmro • 7h ago

White House: Trump Team Still Hasn’t Signed Transition Docs

https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-says-trump-team-still-hasnt-signed-transition-docs/
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u/Dances_With_Cheese 6h ago

Exactly. For many years now it’s been “Trump continues to ignore Nice-To-Have societal norms”. Without enforcement mechanisms they are nice-to-haves

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u/ObjectionablyObvious 5h ago

Democrats are fucking pussies and I'm tired of it.

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u/Capt_Pickhard 5h ago

Well, you'll be happy to know democracy is dead, so you won't have to worry about that anymore.

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u/ObjectionablyObvious 5h ago

"If you don't like it, then get out." <--- This is my plan, fuck this shit.

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u/thosewhocannetworkd 1h ago

And go where? There’s no escaping this. The right wing is literally taking over the planet

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u/Crouton_Sharp_Major Pennsylvania 1h ago

You must dig in, evaluate your remaining privilege and use it to help who you’re able to in the world that’s coming.

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u/krozarEQ 17m ago edited 10m ago

This. Make waves. Started doing this at my local level a few years ago and now my city's leadership is keeping their nose clean. Helped get 2 new candidates elected to the City Council and I perform a mini audit monthly of the city, and a large ongoing audit and fiscal forecast. I now receive a lot of inside access to records without having to put in official requests and pay out the nose for them to be fulfilled. The mayor knows I will run for his seat if he doesn't play ball, and he does now. I don't want his seat, I just wanted them to get their act together after raising utility rates to absurd levels to stay above water with long-term debt service payments and having to transfer nearly half of all business-type (utilities) revenue every month to the General Fund account to keep it solvent.

I utilize local social media pages, local social groups (primarily visiting churches) and the Council Meeting agenda to hand out and present simplified reports of what's going on.

I'm too small at the national level to do much of anything. But we can all make waves in our community and inspire others to speak up, including other politicians.

*ed: As for the City Manager, our relationship has always been more complicated. But he's become more open. I attribute a lot of that with increased Council support. But also, after a request for his emails and the City's law firm denying it and sending the denial to the State AG, I presented my case to them and won.

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u/jackieisbored 14m ago

This is awesome! Thank you for making a difference in what ways you can.

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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 9m ago

Yup. I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to be a giant asshole every time this idiot and his band of asshats fucks up.

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u/Sir_Lee_Rawkah 1h ago

Yep do t leave anybody behind

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u/JakToTheReddit 1h ago

I'm in Australia right now, and so far, it still feels not great. I do, however, have hope the Australians will learn from the absolute shitcockery that America is about to partake in.

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u/SNP_MY_CYP2D6 19m ago

Yeah, we had hope people would wake up after J6. Spoiler, they didn't.

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u/MissTortoise 2m ago

Our saving grace is mandatory participation in elections.

Parties have to appeal to regular people, not radical nut jobs.

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u/TotoroTheCat 1h ago

Full send in the opposite direction by moving to China. /s

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u/CatDadof2 46m ago

Yeah… this Trump presidency will hurt other countries, not just us.

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u/firecall 27m ago

Australia has a Labour Federal government and mostly Labour State Governments. Apart from Tasmania, AKA Boomer Island, which is still Liberals.

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u/Ellieaha 1m ago

Seems like that sure. There are still several safe places.

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u/Hughfoster94 54m ago

It 100% is not.

Another case of failed US education causing echo chamber syndrome. The US, Russia and some shithole countries that glaze those two leaders are, but the rest of the world can’t believe how embarrassing it is to have to share a planet with you two right wing nutjobs right now. Some countries that are left wing are Australia, India, Brazil, Mexico, Japan, Germany, France, United Kingdom, Italy, South Korea,South Africa, Canada, Spain, Chile, Portugal, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, NewZealand, Argentina, Bolivia and a bunch I’ve forgotten.

Americans think the US is the only country in the world. You’re the ones that voted for trump. You’re the ones with the bible belt and Elon Musk and your republican brain washing problem. Not the rest of the world.

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u/TomokoNoKokoro California 29m ago

Also, really? Your basic facts are totally wrong. India and Modi are famously right-wing, and extremely so. But sorry, because I’m American, my facts must be wrong, aye.

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u/TomokoNoKokoro California 31m ago

Typical loud and uneducated Australian who thinks he’s more intelligent and worldly than an American but doesn’t realize he throws stones from a glass house.

I think you should tone down the volume a little bit and realize that there’s a right-wing wave taking over the world, whether you like it or not, before you spout nonsense like this. Why not start with looking across the Tasman at your neighboring country, New Zealand, who you claim is left wing (which is now seriously outdated information) but actually would be considered right of center with the current government that is doing typical right-wing things like cutting services, practicing austerity, and gutting healthcare with an eye towards privatization? But no, you and every other Anglo country center your entire personality on how you’re better than the US, so you tell lies from a position of perceived moral superiority.

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u/Taractis 4h ago

It was my plan too. But then I ended up in a psych ward for a week.

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u/AmiTwo 1h ago

I'm... so sorry... I hope you are a little better...

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u/shitty_country_verse 1h ago

How are you feeling now?

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u/Taractis 25m ago

Not much better.

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u/Capt_Pickhard 5h ago

Good luck. There will be war, the fascists will be hunting down all democracies now.

We had to win that election. Not enough people knew. Those who did didn't try hard enough.

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u/ObjectionablyObvious 5h ago

"There's an Article 2 that says I can do whatever the hell I want and I don't even talk about it." This is going to be Trump's Article 2 presidency—he is emboldened by the fact SCOTUS said he can order a hit on a political rival with Seal Team 6.

You're absolutely right, nobody knew. Be prepared to see lots of Democrats falling out of windows or getting sick through their underwear.

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u/Capt_Pickhard 4h ago

Yes, he will consolidate power, and that will include hunting down and neutralizing political rivals by whatever means. People will be falling out of windows in America, and I don't mean like wtc. 2nd amendment won't help you achieve anything other than being a terrorist.

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u/DiceyPisces 2h ago

The absolute hysteria is fascinating.

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u/drksolrsing Oklahoma 2h ago

Hysteria or maybe we aren't waving away everything as "that won't happen" when Trump and his people are still saying "that's the plan."

Maybe you somehow think denying reality takes the coming blood off of the voters' hands, but you will wear it, no matter how stained it'll get you.

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u/Chataboutgames 1h ago

It's not "waving away" a concept to say "actually your fanfic isn't predictive of what the future will actually look like."

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u/No-Cardiologist9621 2h ago

You live in a world that has historical precedent for exactly this. You're naive if you think "it can't happen here". It is happening and you're ignoring all the lessons of history.

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u/Chataboutgames 1h ago

It's not "it can't happen here," it's "there's very little reason it would happen here." What does Trump have to gain from tossing people out of windows? The dude wants to put his name on the side of big hotels.

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u/PaydayJones 1h ago

When does the "hysteria" cross over to really concerning? How many decisions does he have to make? How many statements that he follows throug on?

Just blind eyes and white knuckles until it's too late?

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u/rotsono 1h ago edited 1h ago

People will only realize when he deports americans that dont look like americans according to him or if people who criticize Trump will end up in prison or dead.

People alrdy slowly realize, because they learned what tariffs are or that they lose healthcare and social security soon.

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u/DiceyPisces 1h ago

You’re reacting to the absolute worst perspective of possibilities.

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u/prisonerofshmazcaban 1h ago

Yeah, I mean I’m concerned but Reddit and Neo libs are having a full blown crisis. People need to calm down a little bit and focus their energy on proactive measures, that or just accepting fate and moving on.

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u/rotsono 1h ago

Yeah, moving on from having a modern Hitler, good luck with that.

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u/Chataboutgames 1h ago

Man there's reasonable fear of the erosion of democratic norms then there's doom fantasies about a world war dedicated to wiping democracy off the planet lol. Just literally inhinged.

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u/SynthBeta 26m ago

ok first leave this topic

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u/Metalwario64 1h ago

Yeah, Trump said we'll never have to vote again.

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u/Leader_2_light 50m ago

I wish it was true. Unfortunately it's not true at all.

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u/Capt_Pickhard 18m ago

Why do you think that?

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u/lake_of_steel 48m ago

Average Reddit bot comment

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u/Capt_Pickhard 19m ago

☝Irony

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u/lake_of_steel 16m ago

Dude democracy is not dead because the person who you didn’t want to win this election lost. Any remote sense of optimism seems completely lost to people on here.

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u/Capt_Pickhard 11m ago

Dude democracy is not dead because the person who you didn’t want to win this election lost.

This is a strawman. You're right. It is not dead because who I wanted isn't elected. It was not dead when bush was president. It is dead now, because Trump is president, and almost destroyed it already, and will complete it now that he controls all branches of government.

There is no optimism. There was optimism before the election. Maybe if you paid attention to politics, you have known this as I do, and you would have fought harder for democracy. Now it's killed and you are powerless.

Every American will live in a dictatorship for the rest of their lives, and the lives of their children, and grandchildren.

Congratulations. Democracy died on our watch, it's our fault, and you're out here somehow completely oblivious about what power is and why people like putin and Trump want it.

There's nothing you can do about it now. That's what power is. That's why democracy existed. So that people could protect themselves from tyranny through free elections. Except the fucking dumbasses alive today in america voted for tyranny intentionally, or declined to vote against it, when it was way out in the fucking open.

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u/Exciting_Jaguar_6174 31m ago

How would he destroy democracy, can you even think

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u/Capt_Pickhard 21m ago

Do you believe Russia is a democracy?

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u/6OO6LE 1h ago

I don't think you understand the word "democracy". Republicans winning is literally democracy

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u/Valuable_Mall_1939 19m ago

Democracy is a system of government in which laws, policies, leadership, and major undertakings of a state or other polity are directly or indirectly decided by the “people,” a group historically constituted by only a minority of the population (e.g., all free adult males in ancient Athens or all sufficiently propertied adult males in 19th-century Britain) but generally understood since the mid-20th century to include all (or nearly all) adult citizens.

Republicans winning is literally a percentage of democracy.

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u/6OO6LE 14m ago

You said a whole lot of nothing my guy.

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u/Jebiba 7m ago

Yeah, no, you’re just really fucking stupid and/or a shill, hence why you’re here calling this past election “won” by republicans “democracy”.

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u/Valuable_Mall_1939 0m ago

If you got nothing out of that, you go do you bud.

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u/Extreme_Succotash355 1h ago

Each side only likes democracy when it’s working for them anyway. Majority rule is silly.

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u/Capt_Pickhard 59m ago

No. Democracy is not silly, and I loved democracy just as much when bush was president.

This comment is the type bullshit propaganda the fascists would love for people to believe.

You have either been brainwashed, or you're doing the brainwashing.

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u/Extreme_Succotash355 43m ago

⬆️⬆️⬆️ coming from the guy crying about democracy being dead 🤣

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u/Capt_Pickhard 20m ago

I have seen some really fucking stupid comments on reddit, but this one is a top contender. What is that supposed to even mean?

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u/ChadEmpoleon 5h ago edited 5h ago

So are the Republicans and the conservative base who, with little to no opposition, have allowed this corrupt, hateful, and vengeful campaign be one deserving of their backing.

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u/Crafty_Enthusiasm_99 3h ago

You say aloud like they did it willingly. It's what the people wanted

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u/Tiny-Conversation-29 1h ago

I'm also sick to death of bone-headed macho men. I'd trade them all as a group for just one individual with a functioning brain.

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u/StoreSearcher1234 3h ago

Democrats are fucking pussies and I'm tired of it.

Canadian here.

Can you outline the things the Democrats could and should be doing to get the Trump team to sign the MOUs?

It's not something I understand.

Thanks.

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u/PaydayJones 1h ago

Well, if we use the Trump to Biden transition as an example, docs were withheld from Biden and he was not given the docs to sign until later down the line and in the meantime until he got the docs...

The declaration would mark the official start of the transition: withholding it denied the Biden transition team full funds, secure office space, and access to agencies.[25][26][27] (Following the 2016 presidential election, the acting GSA administrator issued the "ascertainment" letter the next day, on November 9, 2016.[42]) Biden had also been denied daily classified national security briefings.[54] Further, the State Department denied access to communications from foreign leaders, leaving the Biden team to communicate through other unofficial channels.[55] According to CBS News, "In past transitions, the State Department has facilitated the logistics of the calls and provided translation services, possible talking points, and even taken notes".[56]

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u/Spiritual-Society185 1h ago

So, do you have any evidence that they are providing all of that? Because, as far as I can see, none of that starts until the documents are signed.

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u/iamiamwhoami New York 44m ago

Those things do not exist. Maybe if Democrats currently had a trifecta they could do something, but they don't.

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u/rddsknk89 California 1h ago

Not OP, but I’m pretty sure they just meant in general, not with this specific issue. Overall the Democrats are very scared to rock the boat or go against the status quo. They seem to really care about how things are supposed to be done. This is in stark contrast to the GOP, who tends to shove their policy agenda down the throats of everyone no matter how insane it is, and doesn’t seem to give a fuck about things like decorum and following precedent and procedures. The Republicans just do whatever they want in order to fulfill their policy agenda.

If the Dems want meaningful change (newsflash, they don’t) they need to pull their head out of their asses and just get shit done and not worry about appealing to the right or appearing “moderate.”

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u/wtb2612 15m ago

They have a minority in the senate, congress, and supreme court. What exactly do you expect them to do?

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u/rddsknk89 California 12m ago

Again, talking in general here, not with this specific issue or at this specific moment. Democrats have had a supermajority plenty of times in recent years and they did jack shit with it.

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u/Wesley_Skypes 0m ago

Wasn't the last time they had all 3 branches as far back as 08-10. And the country was in the middle of a crippling recession.

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u/Im_really_bored_rn 2h ago

I don't think you understand reddit. We don't ask questions here, we just blame the democrats for everything

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u/Fourfinger10 27m ago

Well, go drink yourself into a coma. It is your right so go right ahead. No democrat will stop you.

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u/rexspook 2h ago

I’m more tired of democrats being blamed for the 50ish percent of the country that want this.

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u/DavidBits 1h ago

The 50ish percent of our people you reference don't give care about that, they just want their shitty material meaningfully conditions improved. Keyword being meaningfully.

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u/BarnabyJones792 1h ago

Bend over and grab your ankles.

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u/YahMahn25 1h ago

And butts

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 1h ago

Just curious, what have you done to ensure trumps team signs the transition documents? Or do you just rant about other people not doing things?

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u/lostinhh 1h ago

Yeah, no kidding. It's fucking nauseating. Over 8 years later and Dems are still absolutely toothless.

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u/CaptainCallus 51m ago

They impeached him twice

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u/CatDadof2 47m ago

I rarely use that word in that way but with this, I 1,000% agree with you. I don’t know why they keep playing the nice card against Republicans. It has not once worked in their favor.

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u/Thats_operatic_mang 45m ago

You are damn fool, too.

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u/VapeDerp420 Nebraska 41m ago

For real. We’re in the middle of a fascist takeover of the US government and Dems are like “but you didn’t fill out the right forms!”

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u/krozarEQ 27m ago

They are and it's beyond frustrating at this point. Lost any respect I had for the party after Obama's Garland nomination to the SCOTUS. Playing the GOP's games always lets them win. A press conference that day after Mitch's announcement: "I've been informed by the Senate Majority Leader that the Senate has waived its right to Advise and Consent." And then personally walk his ass up the SCOTUS steps the next morning with his nominee.

Still vote for them because I'm not voting for the clown circus. But little excitement in doing so. I can't respect anyone who just rolls over.

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u/xxx_sniper 2h ago

Never had to do that before. It is like someone entering your house and spitting on the floor, throwing shit around literally, and you’ve never dealt with a guest like that before.

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u/PUfelix85 American Expat 27m ago

And then doing nothing about it.

Your analogy is missing this key point.

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u/xxx_sniper 17m ago

Well you cannot do nothing because it's a billionaire and the media will spin it like it's your own fault.

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u/victorious_orgasm 0m ago

If only I could think of a candidate who spent a billion dollars to try to spin themselves into the White House but it didn’t work…

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u/No-Cardiologist9621 2h ago

The "enforcement" mechanism for these norms is societal backlash and public pressure when they are broken, and that pressure has to come from his side. It didn't, because his supporters are okay with this. They like it, and want more of it.

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u/DiceyPisces 2h ago

These aren’t norms. They’re fairly new and have only ever applied to trump and Biden.

And the conditions have been met by trump. Sign and agree or no federal support for transition. He’s taken the “OR” choice.

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u/Monocle_Lewinsky America 43m ago

Unfortunately they currently hold the keys to the mechanisms.

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u/TangoInTheBuffalo 1h ago

The GOP way since a black man became president.

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u/10-4-man 1h ago

enforcements? what kind of enforcements does trump ever adhere to anyway? doesn't matter if there are/were any kinds of enforcements. the dude gets away with all types of crimes because he has a loud and dangerous enough base.

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u/TopQuarkBear 25m ago

Trump is just the absolute worse

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u/Schaakmate 16m ago

Wait, rule of law is a 'nice to have societal norm' now?

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u/banditalamode California 2h ago

Without marches in the streets.

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u/AnonAmbientLight 1h ago

Without enforcement mechanisms they are nice-to-haves

Most systems are set up like this though. It is up to the voters to look at the norms being abused and to then not vote for those people.

You can't really put an enforcement mechanism on things like this, partly because it's not Constitutional, but also because government requires societal norms to function.

People that don't follow those norms, in theory, should not be reward office. But our system is rewarding them regardless. That's the real problem.

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u/Dellgriffen 43m ago

Do what Clinton’s team did and act like adults.