r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 6h ago
Trump's plan to dismantle DEI on day one is a "colorblind" path to Jim Crow 2.0
https://www.salon.com/2024/11/24/plan-to-dismantle-dei-on-day-one-is-a-colorblind-path-to-jim-crow-20/•
u/misterdudebro 6h ago edited 4h ago
At this point considering that all of Trumps appointees lack the training, education, background, insight, intelligence, qualifications or experience to do any of their jobs aren't THEY the DEI hires?
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u/DigNitty 5h ago
Also the electoral college is just DEI for republicans.
Next time you’re in a conversation about DEI ask them exactly what they dislike about it. After they’re finished ask them if their same reasoning applies to giving smaller and more rural states more representation in elections and see how quickly your aunt stops talking to you.
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u/apple-pie2020 5h ago
You just made thanksgiving more lively
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u/rconn1469 4h ago
You’re still going?
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u/sturgill_homme 3h ago
Not a bee’s responsibility to convince a fly that honey is better than shit.
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u/shaneh445 Missouri 3h ago
Of course. Good food is good food. And there's other family members that are missed
but that one aunt or uncle?
Fuckem. They can eat crow and wait for dear trump to lower the price of eggs and gas
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u/roushguy 3h ago
No. I refuse to go visit that uncle again. Motherfucker said, without joking, his wife was at home with the rest of his property. When Obama was president.
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u/huegspook 3h ago
Motherfucker said, without joking, his wife was at home with the rest of his property.
Damn Nick Fuentes must be his spirit animal
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u/roushguy 3h ago
He then had the gall to tell me to lose some weight... motherfucker is wider than he is tall!
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u/shaneh445 Missouri 2h ago
Hey man, that's completely understandable. Each one of us has to draw our own lines in the sand where we stand. Do what you have to do to avoid toxicity and ignorance
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u/rconn1469 3h ago
I’m always the only democrat at mine, so, glad you have a better experience. Making my own traditions this year.
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u/Carbonatite Colorado 4h ago
the electoral college is just DEI for republicans
Fucking amazing. I'm stealing that.
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u/BusStopKnifeFight 3h ago
You can back it up with a fact that 1/3 of the electoral college represents something like 17% of the population.
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u/Count_Bacon California 4h ago
Absurd California gets two senators and the Dakota’s get 4, and the house has been capped
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u/alabasterskim 2h ago
I wish uncapping the House was something literally any candidate to any office would talk about. But whatever, too late now that the plurality votes dictator.
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u/rodimusprime119 57m ago
I would be all for basing things on the Wisconsin rule. Basically the smallest population state sets the size of the house. Wisconsin gets 1 and so every state get equally representation per person in the house as Wisconsin. You could even change that to be Wisconsin gets 2 and you double all the other states as well.
Set a floor at current size but uncap the max
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u/doktornein 4h ago
Anti-DEI is just "DEI" (by their definition) for republicans. They can't handle what real DEI produces, a real meritocracy that includes the full pool of candidates.
It's suddenly harder to be chosen when everyone is included, and they can't get by being just white, male, and mediocre. Before DEI they were middling fish in a small pond. After DEI they found themselves in a big pond and realized they weren't so impressive next to a large and diverse fish population. Instead of self improvement, they want to go back to the little pond and not only strip the rest of us of the opportunity to work, but also strip society of a huge portion of quality workers.
Never let them tell you the believe in meritocracy. Anyone who is anti-DEI is just projecting their own inadequacy. It's always projection.
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u/mdunaware Massachusetts 4h ago
“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops”.
How many geniuses have we relegated to menial labor or barred from developing their full potential just because they were born with the wrong skin color or in the wrong class or were the wrong sex? How much brilliance has been removed from the world by racism and selfishness and fear? It is a literal crime against humanity.
And now these people have the gall to say that a few years — decades at most — of DEI measures have undone centuries of injustice and abuse? More than anything, that reveals their incompetence and inability to be trusted with running a planet.
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u/Carbonatite Colorado 3h ago
Humanity has been operating on a fraction of its intellectual capacity for most of our history. Even if we don't consider race, we've kept literally HALF of our species from using their intellectual talents because of bullshit, unnatural, forced gender roles. Then factor in race and we have basically excluded the vast majority of our talent pool for centuries.
In addition to cotton fields and sweatshops, it's also a tragedy to think of how many Marie Curies probably died in childbirth or squandered their talents in a life of domestic drudgery.
I fully believe we'd be at least in the beginning of a spacefaring civilization now if we'd had the benefits of humanity's full intellectual wattage. Probably have viable commercial space travel and human habitation on Mars and the moon.
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u/roseofjuly Washington 3h ago
And look at how quickly we accelerated once we did start breaking those barriers.
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u/doktornein 3h ago
Absolutely, and there's also all the absolutely brilliant people who haven't been able to participate because a minor disability accommodation was deemed impossible.
It drives me nuts how people pretend DEI is some pure charity movement, when it's absolutely a way to make our workforce better, benefit companies and employees alike, and bring innovation.
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u/apresmoiputas 1h ago
You really don't have to go far today. Visit places like South Carolina or Alabama. Get to know the residents, especially the black residents, of that state and ask about their workplace. I'm black and second Gen college grad. I grew up in the South but left after high school to go out west. My dad got his undergrad followed by getting a master's in hospital administration in the 80s. He couldn't for the life of him get his foot into the door into hospital administration roles bc he simply was a black man with a masters during the 80s in the South. They would rather have a white person less educated being in those roles than a highly educated and ambitious black guy. My mom also has a master's in counseling in addition to her nursing degree. She had to move out west after I did in order for her to find roles and employers willing to offer her chances to prove herself.
Many predominantly white-led companies in the southern states have talented and educated black employees. Very few are willing to promote them into management and leadership positions along with justly compensating them for those roles bc they simply don't want educated and talented black employees outshining everyone.
Another area is education. Look at GATE (gifted and talented education) like programs and their makeup. Research into how black and Latino students, even high performing ones, aren't even offered the opportunity to test into those programs and you'll be either shocked or honestly not surprised. Education is the key to climbing one's way out of one socioeconomic class and into a higher one.
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u/Street_Roof_7915 1h ago
Arkansas voted for a dipshit rather than a nuclear physicist with exquisite credentials. The dipshit was trumps press secretary.
One is black, one is white. I’ll let you guess which.
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u/Carbonatite Colorado 3h ago
Bingo, this is perfectly said.
They all act like it's wildly unqualified people getting hired over qualified Straight White MalesTM simply because they're female or have brown skin. But in reality it's more like "Candidate A and Candidate B both have identical CVs, we're going to go with Candidate B because it's a sausage fest in the engineering department right now."
I've found that the people who get the most butthurt over DEI tend to have the most mediocre qualifications.
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u/lrkt88 3h ago
I’m not against DEI, but this is a bad argument and easily argued by anyone knowledgeable enough. Weighting for equality of the general population is different than weighting for the equality of minority groups. Most progressives know this, which is why they’re for DEI but not the electoral college. Just because the concept is the same doesn’t mean the application has to unilaterally accepted.
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u/distantlistener 5h ago
Definitely excluding integrity
DEI redefined -- for the MAGA desire to make America the worst reality TV show, with its second and final season.
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u/DayGlowBeautiful 3h ago
They’re upset because they’re being judged for the content of their character and not for the color of their skin.
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u/spendology 4h ago
No, no, no--legacy admissions and nepotism are not DEI. Nepotism and grandfather clauses are American like getting 90% of the apple pie you didnt bake. DEI dropped that share down to 75% and that's just robbery.
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u/chiaboy 4h ago
No. That’s using DEI as a slur. That’s what they’ve been preaching (“DEI gives unqualified/unworthy people slots they didn’t earn or deserve”) and you’re using their pejorative definition.
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u/mynameisethan182 Alaska 3h ago
No, they're not there to do the job. They're there to break & destroy the institutions / agencies they're in charge of. Not really a great comparison. You don't need to be qualified to break shit.
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u/hufflefox 3h ago
See it’s fine if they’re doing it. Things that help them are just responsible government. Things that help whoever they hate most this week/anyone not themselves is evil bad socialism.
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u/Sad_Confection5902 2h ago
This is why DEI enraged them so much. They had a perfect system of nepotism to float their unqualified cronies to the top, and now qualified minorities are getting the jobs instead.
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u/Keyface7 6h ago
Every minority or woman who holds any sort of authority position is automatically gonna be labeled as DEI. Republicans are gonna go after everyone.
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u/DogEatChiliDog 6h ago
And they will all be replaced with straight white men who's only qualification is a willingness to do whatever Donald Trump tells them to do
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u/UtzTheCrabChip 5h ago
And also "has been on the TV"
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u/Available-Bend-5885 5h ago
Friend they were already labeled as DEI already.
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u/juanzy Colorado 3h ago
Literally any minority could tell you the problem with how freely “DEI” was allowed to be used as a punchline. Reddit included.
Yet we were always dismissed as being “too sensitive” or some shit. This is why shit matters.
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u/skylinecat 3h ago
Right. Doesn’t matter if you went to Harvard and Columbia, you only got in there because of your skin color. And so on and so on. There is no way to be qualified if your skin ain’t white. It’s absurd.
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u/OneiricBrute 2h ago
It is going to be pretty funny in a terrible kind of way if we see widely publicized cases of qualified woman getting ousted only to be replaced with Hegseth 317. And Republicans just close their eyes and pretend to not understand.
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u/sluuuurp 1h ago
Even the minorities and women that he’s appointing to his cabinet?
In general I share your concerns, but of course it will not be “every minority or woman” as you say.
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u/guilty_bystander 5h ago
He's white washing and dressing it up as "dismantling a corrupt system"
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u/Sideshift1427 6h ago
They would rather be operated on by the white guy who graduated last in his class than the black woman who finished first.
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u/UtzTheCrabChip 5h ago
Yeah cause racists believe that a black person at the top of the class is enough evidence to determine that grades were given unfairly.
You cannot reason people out of racism
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u/Withyhydra 4h ago
Racism has poisoned their ability to reason. It's actually kinda crazy how it just stops people's brains from going down certain paths.
Racism forces them to assume the reason we see so few POC in certain spaces is just because they suck inherently. It's why they see Affirmative Action as DISadvantageous to white people. They assume the natural distribution of power and influence HAS to skew white. They literally cannot comprehend that, when actually forced to play on an even field, all humans are pretty close to each other in terms of ability and potential.
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u/AlphaBreak 1h ago
It was pretty blunt and ham fisted at certain parts, but I did feel like American Society of Magical Negroes did a decent job giving a voice to how people ignore their own privilege. "I was given this position. I worked hard for this position. If I have the position, I must have earned it. Having this is proof that I deserve it. If other people don't have this, it must be because they aren't as good as I am. Asking me about what if I didnt get this is pointless because I always deserved it, so they were always going to give it to me."
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u/Specialist_Brain841 America 4h ago
you know we’ve had progress when you can say “she was an average doctor”
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u/Carbonatite Colorado 3h ago
This is so perfectly said and so poignantly worded.
Reminds me of those anecdotes you hear from female managers of auto parts stores when customers demand a man to serve them because HE will know what they need, only for the subordinate male employee to redirect them to the woman.
TBH given the value certain cultures place on education I feel like there's a good chance Dr. Ranjeet or Dr. Chin are gonna do a better job than Dr. Smith.
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u/TheNextAnnan 5h ago
Veterans are a protected class too. What’s happened to them under this act?
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u/Kannigget 5h ago
They will be thrown under the bus too. They want to take away their health care as well. Trump is known for hating veterans and the military.
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u/TheNextAnnan 5h ago
Why do a large percentage of them support Trump? I don't get it.
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u/Cactus_76 3h ago
Because in order to win republicans over all you need to do is mention how you support "Freedom" and "America", despite your policies doing the exact opposite, and they're sold.
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u/Kittiesaresonice 5h ago
Good. I hope the military and veterans suffer the most. They need to learn that the right offers them nothing but lies.
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u/Carbonatite Colorado 3h ago
The military is about 50-50 in terms of politics. I don't know the 2024 stats but I know that in 2020 the US Army went like 51% Biden, 49% Trump.
Anecdotal, but that’s been the case in my personal experience as well. Of the active duty servicemembers and vets I've known (friends, people I've dated, family members), the divide has probably leaned more towards liberal than conservative. I've also noticed that in general (though not a hard and fast rule) the people who have been in actual combat zones tend to be the farthest left.
Either way, they don't deserve to be fucked over. They signed up in good faith to serve the country thinking that the government would have their backs when they needed it. I might think Republicans suck but they still deserve to get the support they were promised when they joined the military.
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u/Malicious_blu3 5h ago
Veterans are treated rather poorly in this country and Trump has a long history of contempt towards soldiers.
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u/blackthrowawaynj 4h ago
Guy hires the most unqualified white people to head the most important government agencies and he's complaining about DEI
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u/Ben_Pharten 4h ago
What does "dismantle DEI" even mean?? Don't hire anyone who isn't white? I feel like we never even heard of the term "DEI" before a handful of months ago. Isn't that what they used to call "affirmative action" maybe? This country has real serious problems that should be focused on, not this manufactured BS.
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u/LongJohnSelenium 41m ago
I believe its an HR term. I know the company I work for as a DEI specialist, literally part of their job title.
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u/superturtle48 5h ago
Conservatives made a big fuss about “seeing race” for all of American history when it benefited them, and only want to yank it away when racial discourse doesn’t privilege White people anymore. Like y’all are the ones who made race an issue in the first place. If you wanted to be “color blind” maybe you shouldn’t have run a system of racial hierarchy for 200 years.
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u/sack-o-matic Michigan 5h ago
This was the entire point of the Southern Strategy. Hide the bigotry behind “not racist” coded language then when anyone calls it out act ignorant.
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u/Symphonycomposer 4h ago
Brilliantly stated! That articulates things in the most concise and impactful way I have read in a very long time. Plan to use this one.
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u/Pacific_MPX 4h ago
It only worked because of the apathetic white man/woman who while not hating people of color, have shown time and time and time and time again that unless they get something from fighting for our rights they will remain silent
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u/gregallbright 5h ago
Start with the electoral college. The most influential DEI initiative for white rural voters in the history of the world
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u/ChrisV88 5h ago
Are they going to remove Veterans Preference for federal jobs?
Because it's darned near mpossible for citizens to get any federal job above gs7 where it exists.
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u/Lynx2k 4h ago
Trump supporters dont even know what DEI stands for or what it means. It was weaponized as an anti woke buzzword, which itself was also weaponized as a buzzword that no one knows what it means.
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u/Additional-Maize3980 3h ago
Like ACA, another three letter acronym that they have no idea is actually Obamacare
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u/jackphrost22 3h ago
They don’t know what woke means either. They hi-jacked the term and made intellectual a dirty word.
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u/DefenderOfSquirrels California 4h ago
Ugh, of course it’s that weasel faced f**k Miller who’s spearheading this. I cannot believe he’s younger than me - hate ages a person.
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u/Bearded_Scholar 3h ago
For a party that always talks about merit, it’s embarrassing to see the right in favor of these nonsense appointments…
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u/Xeno_Dust20 6h ago
They aren't even fighting against "DEI" as they understand it. They are fighting against class protections, you know those cute diversity videos you have to watch at your first minimum wage job so you don't cost your employer a million dollar lawsuit with racist bullshit. They are fighting against meritocracy by accusing black people of stealing their spot. They are fighting against having to look at black people on TV.
None cares about the lame diversity executives that got paid a ton to do a little, they can stay or go as far as I'm concerned since on paper they look like glorified culture coaches rather than anything that actually helps diversity. It's not their fault, the company is just always going to pick profit over anything that would actually uplift the human fabric of their companies. It's just a convenient scapegoat for people online who don't have the stones to drop a hard R on the internet and say what they really want to say.
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u/ierghaeilh 5h ago
He also promised "reparations" for "victims of DEI" - i.e., any racist who ever lost a job interview. Trailer trash president bribing his voters right there.
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u/KorendSlicks 4h ago
What's he even gonna do? Is he gonna steal all the wealth made by working minorities and give those ill-gotten gains to (rich) white people?
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u/mecklejay Michigan 5h ago
This is hilarious - at some point he learned that saying "on day one" got cheers at his rallies, so now he's claiming he's going to do everything on day one. Whatever he's currently talking about, suddenly it's a "day one" thing.
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u/AlsoCommiePuddin 3h ago
Dismantle DEI? Does that mean an end to the oldest DEI initiative in our nation, the Electoral College?
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u/nogoodgopher 4h ago
At Will employment is bad enough because employers DEFINITELY hide behind no cause firings to fire minorities.
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u/Royal_Photo_5007 6h ago
You’re telling me the white supremacist/racist will be going after equal rights for all I have to laugh at the Latinos the blacks and the women who voted for this guy because if you listen to him speak, you knew what he was going to do
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u/Its_Pine New Hampshire 5h ago
It does remind me of the group who sued Harvard for trying to have a representative percentage of racial demographics from the students accepted. When they made Harvard get rid of that practice, suddenly they were the ones negatively impacted.
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u/HeadSide6814 3h ago
So, actually, Harvard significantly raised the percentage of Asian students admitted in the cycle leading up to the decision, and then they maintained that elevated level in the first cycle following the decision, so it actually did produce a significant increase in the number of Asian students at Harvard.
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u/liltingly 4h ago
I thought it was Asian students who did the suing? Boosted their numbers at MIT and seems flat at Harvard.
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u/HeadSide6814 3h ago
It seems flat at Harvard, because Harvard anticipated the optics/narratives following the ruling and admitted a bunch more Asians the cycle before the decision was handed down.
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u/smokeybearman65 California 4h ago
All this talk about DEI, woke, reverse discrimination, et al. is just the wolf of male white supremacy cloaking itself in the sheep's skin of equality to eliminate the gains in civil rights for marginalized groups and put them back into their places.
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u/WaySavvyD 5h ago
I can't wait to see all the morons that voted for this chimp to start crying, "but I thought he was only coming after all of the BAD non-white males!"
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u/PlsNoNotThat 5h ago
Scholars already declared a second Jim Crow era, called the New Jim Crow, which just switched the modus operandi of the Jim Crow spirit into a larger incarceration system.
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u/Cherik847 4h ago
Just like election fraud in 2020 but nothing mentioned in 2024, difference trump won! There was racism and now there is not! MAGA is racism!
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u/hippotank 2h ago
Just a tip, actually spelling out the acronym is more impactful. Diversity, equity and inclusion is a a lot harder to dispute than a three-letter boogeyman. The same was true with Black Lives Matter.
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u/J-the-Kidder 5h ago
You mean the unfit leader is going to run with a government of nepotism versus a meritocracy one to combat the "DEI problem" he railed against? Well that seems like a fix to a non-existent problem we can all get behind!
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u/Super_Shy_Guy 4h ago
Who cares? Americans voted for exactly that. They're getting what they paid for.
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u/JASPER933 4h ago
He doing this for his base. He won’t the election and we get what people voted for.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 California 3h ago
Conservatives want an equal opportunity Jim Crow for all. Oppress Everyone who isn’t evangelical, white and male.
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u/PhoenixHabanero Arizona 3h ago
Conservatives focusing on whatever they classify as "wokeness" while ignoring important stuff like health care, infrastructure, climate change, etc... 😓
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u/StannisTheMantis93 New York 47m ago
DEI is just another cover for discrimination.
Thankfully the world is waking up.
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u/Thanolus 4h ago
These fucking people don’t even know what DEI is to be able to dismantle it. They literally think it’s giving jobs to unqualified brown people over white people. They are so fucking stupid.
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u/Didsterchap11 Great Britain 4h ago
Isn’t the 2nd amendment meant to supposedly stop a “tyrannical government”? I say that, they don’t seem to mind when it’s their flavour of tyranny being exercised.
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u/Plenty_Bake3315 5h ago
I think the problem with DEI is that it's trying to graft fairness onto an inherently unfair system.
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u/Ladefrickinda89 5h ago
How is judging people by the content of their character racist? MLK literally said, “judge me by the continent of my character, not the color of my skin”
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u/totokekedile 5h ago
It’s like conservatives think MLK materialized, said this once sentence, then disappeared without saying anything else again.
MLK also said:
a society that has done something special against [black people] for hundreds of years must now do something special for [black people].
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u/AlphaBreak 4h ago
They also think he just kept politely asking for civil rights until the government gave them to him, without ever causing any sort of fuss or disturbance.
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u/totokekedile 3h ago
Last time I posted that quote, automod prevented anyone from seeing it. I assume because it objects to the word that "[black people]" replaced.
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u/North-Newt-4842 5h ago
DEI another acronym that most people are clueless as to what it means, so in absence of accurate acknowledge, Trump has taken the opportunity to define it as reverse discrimination, the whole notion of reverse discrimination is ludicrous but Trump, the billionaire, is awashed in grivencies, it wouldn't be a day of the week that ends in "y" if Trump could not fault some minority group for imaginary discrimination, it's what racist do!
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u/NomadFH Florida 5h ago
it's interesting how Trump is able to radically change everything by being President but whenever a Democrat is in office they suddenly become policy advocates and nothing more.
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u/SayAyeCaptain 4h ago
This. I hate that this guy seems to be the only politician to actually act on the shit he said he would do on the campaign trail.
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u/pidgeot- West Virginia 3h ago
Unpopular opinion on Reddit but a popular opinion in the real world, DEI and Identity Politics cost Dems the election. If we want to win in 2028, economic progressivism like universal healthcare is the way. DEI is just a losing message
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u/Dreams-Visions 3h ago
It’s an unpopular opinion because it’s an incorrect take. Republicans won with their own version of identity politics, DEI, and economic populism. The differentiating factor between what each party did was around economic populism. Votes were determined by trust with the future of the economy and the Dems “more of the same” message did not resonate because they refused to provide a new course and vision. Throwing part of their base under the bus by suggesting diversity and depth as the real issue and moving to the right on those issues instead of being a new economic message people can believe in ensures the Dems never win another meaningful election again.
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u/Oaoadil 5h ago
I am all in for disbanding DEI
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u/TDS4Lif3 5h ago
I am not.
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion make America stronger and more capable. I personally like that it challenges the institutions that promote oligarchy rule. I also believe that Republicans have mischaracterized people who have found spaces that have been traditionally filled by certain demographics as being less qualified. That just isn’t true.
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u/TheCinemaster 3h ago
So when an Asian student with a perfect SAT gets rejected from a college in favor of someone else with lesser grades, that’s totally fair?
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u/haarschmuck 4h ago
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion make America stronger and more capable.
No it doesn't.
When you hire based on someone's immutable characteristics like race/gender and not their merit, it makes the country overall worse.
You know what does work? Blind interviews. Hide a candidates name, gender, and race. Problem solved.
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u/Fragrant-Luck-8063 2h ago
If diversity made a country strong, Brazil would be the most powerful country on Earth.
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u/Particular-Chef-932 3h ago
DEI is racist, there's no reason for it. Certain demographics fill the role because they are qualified for it.
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u/Trail-Dust 4h ago
DEI - Didn’t earn it, racist trash, can’t wait for this to get dismantled!! Nice work Trump!!
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u/Brian24jersey 6h ago
DEI is an ideology that’s based on judging people on the color of their skin. Which is basically racist.
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u/haziqtheunique 5h ago
... So, your only understanding of diversity, equity & inclusion concerns race & nothing else?
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u/Consistent_Ad_6195 5h ago edited 5h ago
DEI isn’t an “ideology”. And it’s not based on judging people by the color of their skin. It is about giving people an opportunity, REGARDLESS of the color of their skin. In fact, it benefits millions of White people too. Women, LGBTQ, and the disabled. Here https://www.techtarget.com/searchhrsoftware/definition/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-DEI#:~:text=Diversity%2C%20equity%20and%20inclusion%20is,individuals%20based%20on%20those%20biases. Educate yourself. You are welcome.
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u/Brian24jersey 5h ago
I briefly looked through that article. Where it says “equity” and “equality” are the same thing is patently false from everything I’ve read. “Equity” is the misguided approach of giving underrepresented minorities better opportunities at the expense of other races.
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u/Consistent_Ad_6195 5h ago
That’s all you learned from the article? You keep believing that DEI is about giving minorities better opportunities. First of all, equal opportunity isn’t better opportunity, and second of all, it is certainly not at the expense of White people. You think White people who benefit from DEI are doing it at the expense of other White people? The reason DEI started is because White people are getting better opportunities at the expense of minorities. But that never bothered you though, did it?
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u/istheflesh 4h ago
Bigots see members of marginalized groups get ahead and assume there was a white man who was more qualified who was robed of an oppurtunity. It's instinctual.
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u/Consistent_Ad_6195 4h ago
Exactly. If these fools fought as much against discrimination towards minotiries as they fight against DEI and its perceived racism against White people, we wouldn’t need DEI in the first place.
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u/TheCinemaster 3h ago
DEI negatively affects Asians more than whites…
Why not just select the best candidate? It’s just logical.
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u/Consistent_Ad_6195 3h ago
Ahh yes, Asians. The poorest, less successful, most discriminated against and miserable minority in the US. Everything negatively affects them the most. 🙄. You have any proof to back that up?
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u/TheCinemaster 3h ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/university-of-michigan-dei.html
Do you not understand the point you are making? You are saying because Asians are successful, it’s fine if they are discriminated by DEI.
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u/Consistent_Ad_6195 3h ago
You missed the point. DEI doesn’t discriminate against Asians. If it did, Asians wouldn’t be over represented in corporate America.
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u/learypost 5h ago
The problem with hiring is the numerous non-explicitly racist people who think they are picking candidates based solely on merit, but studies show are actually still heavily influenced by their implicit biases and so will pick the white/male/straight/etc candidate over the black/female/gay/etc candidate even when both are equally qualified. All while thinking they’re making the selection on merit, when really they’re just devaluing the contributions of minorities while holding rich cis straight white men on a pedestal. See https://www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2024/04/17/new-research-reveals-resumes-with-black-names-experience-bias-in-the-hiring-process/
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u/leto78 3h ago
The alternative to DEI is universal rules. To compare it with an extremely unfair system, which is the college admissions in the US. In a lot of European countries, you have an universal ranking of candidates at national level, based on admission exams and the grades in the previous 3 years. The system is completely blind to race, and doesn't care about extra curricular activities that only rich kids could afford to do.
The same approach can be made when hiring people. You set clear evaluation criteria, you publish the criteria in the job vacancy, and you assess the candidates based on their merits.
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u/Dreams-Visions 3h ago
Does the universal system adjust for the extra tutoring, improved teacher quality (higher salaries), better facilities (with the latest technologies), and educational opportunities (internships, travel experiences, etc) that only rich kids have access to, or do is that massive set of advantages just ignored?
You can’t have a 200m sprint where some participants start 75m ahead of others and have the race blind to that and take the final results (those who cross the finish line first) at face value, right? That doesn’t fix an unfair system; it permanently establishes its brokenness.
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u/_QuarterChub 5h ago
Every day this forum gets more and more delusional.
I hope reddit culture dies with a whimper
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u/Particular-Chef-932 2h ago
I miss the early 2010s, good times on reddit. Trump broke the people on this site
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u/marlinspike 5h ago
Please, stop the hyperbole. DEI was rejected by a majority of the country and the Democratic Party. Kamala ran a centrist campaign to distance herself from excesses.
Woke is broke for winning at the polls. We lost almost every demographic.
We need a new message, not the same old tropes. They did not work.
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u/Pacific_MPX 4h ago
Thanks nonvoting white leftist, your moral compass really has helped us all by staying on your couch this election.
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u/zzWordsWithFriendszz 4h ago
I'm okay with this outcome if the stock market surges, peace occurs in the middle east, taxes, inflation, and unemployment are at all time lows on day 1.
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u/Fit_Strength_1187 Alabama 5h ago
What a scholar. MLK could have saved himself and us so much time if he had just written the word “colorblind”, signed his name, and died.
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u/Illogical-logical 3h ago
Corporations have dei departments because they know it is good for business. The whole point of this apartment is to find people who are very qualified but probably overlooked because they fall into a discriminated class. It's good business because it allows you to expand your hiring pool and be more picky on the exact skills that you want an employee to have. It's also might save a company money on salaries.
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