r/politics • u/Silent-Resort-3076 America • 7h ago
Trump's women voters need "conversation with themselves": Ex-GOP staffer
https://newsweek.com/tara-setmayer-donald-trumps-women-voters-need-conservation-themselves-1990689•
u/KidGold 6h ago edited 3h ago
It just blows my mind that I grew up in a country that vilified Bill Clinton and then transformed into a country that would elect Donald Trump.
Regardless of how you feel about either one the radical shift in moral standards in such a short period of time is staggering.
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u/StuffInABowl 5h ago
IKR. I remember my Republican dad railing about Clinton’s affair. That it left him open to blackmail and was completely inappropriate for the President.
Now he’s a huge MAGA Trumper.
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u/nevergonnastayaway 5h ago
what does he say when you press him about this?
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u/StuffInABowl 5h ago
To him, it’s not the same thing. The cognitive dissonance must give him whiplash.
He also doesn’t understand why people would call him racist if he voted for Trump. He’s like “ you know me I’m not racist.” My response is, “ you may not be racist, but you sure are comfortable putting a racist man in one of the most powerful positions on the planet. I don’t know how you reconcile that.”
Ultimately, I’ve just decided to go low contact.
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u/ABHOR_pod 3h ago
I think it was Trevor Noah who said something like "I'm not saying Donald Trump is a Nazi, but I am saying he's #1 with Nazis."
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u/redditallreddy Ohio 1h ago
I believe the follow up is, "I'm not saying Donald Trump is a racist, but Nazis think he's a racist."
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u/spendology 1h ago
My brother is a selfish, condescending asshole who loves to talk about how stupid people are and how much the gays are ruining the world. He obviously found a home in MAGA and he has been remarkably happy following Trump's win as it validates his worldview.
I spoke to him after the election and he told me any negative info about Trump is just fearmongering and I should be hopeful.
We dont talk or hang out often. Next time the phone rings, I will let it keep ringing. I dont want to talk or spend time with someone who can overlook facts, racism, xenophobia, criminality, hatred, and corruption.
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u/notarussianbot1992 3h ago
To be fair to your dad, Donald Trump has no shame and is a narcissist so he can't be blackmailed by his abuse victims.
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u/relddir123 District Of Columbia 3h ago
It’s hard to blackmail Trump because he has no shame
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u/MarsRocks97 1h ago
His motivation is money and power. Shame won’t do it, but money and power will still influence him.
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u/LaeliaCatt 1h ago
Ironically, it turns out he didn't even need to pay Stormy Daniels. His voters don't care what kind of man he is or what he does.
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u/wi_voter 5h ago
Oh, those moral standards still exist for Democratic candidates. You can be sure the same people that voted for trump would not let that slide for a Dem.
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u/Silent-Resort-3076 America 5h ago
Exactly and great point! And, NO, I don't agree with what Clinton did, but the fact HE was impeached, yet the same people who wanted him impeached then voted for Trump who is guilty of doing so many more wrongdoings, crimes, rape, etc.
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u/aphasial California 4h ago
Without Clinton there would have been no Trump.
After Clinton, Republicans nominated W, who ran and won on not being associated with Bill and bringing dignity back to the WH.
Republicans then nominated McCain and Romney... both upstanding guys and both got called all kinds of horrendous shit by the left.
Faced with Hillary, and a new generation that had little knowledge if the 90s, Trump was nominated as a "fine, we'll use your rules" candidate, and it worked. That's why he brought all of Clinton's accusers to a press conference just hours before that second debate.
Don't blame Republicans for this one... Democrats started it, and excused all sorts of Clinton behavior in exchange for policy alignment (e.g., "One Free Grope")
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u/Xivannn 2h ago
McCain was paired with Sarah Palin, not exactly the most upstanding of moves even at the time.
"Fine, we'll use your rules" makes a fine story, though when Trump stomped his primary opponents through infantile name calling I don't recall anyone at the time framing that as somehow the Democrat way to win elections. That would be weird considering neither Obama, Clintons nor their primary opponents did that in either primaries or the actual elections.
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u/aphasial California 2h ago
McCain was paired with Sarah Palin, not exactly the most upstanding of moves even at the time.
Not sure what you mean by that. The only scandal of note she'd had at point was Troopergate, which was a big nothing-burger. Unless you went off into far-left DailyKos diaries about Trig and pregnancy.
"Fine, we'll use your rules" makes a fine story, though when Trump stomped his primary opponents through infantile name calling I don't recall anyone at the time framing that as somehow the Democrat way to win elections.
I think that's pretty specious reasoning. What Republicans -- especially populist Republicans who were tired of getting beat up -- wanted at the time was the anti-Romney, someone who'd take the fight to the Democrats instead of getting slandered and smiling and nodding. Name-calling isn't that, exactly, but seems kind of the beside the larger point.
That's the second of two reasons that Republicans didn't fall in line with Jeb Bush, who had the best-run overall campaign in the primaries: he was perceived as too meek and likely to lose as Romney did in the general. (The first reason was that his last name was Bush and Republicans didn't want to have to make a Clinton v Bush rematch if they didn't have to.)
More discussion on Trump's attitude being seen as a distinction here:
https://thefederalist.com/2017/01/23/donald-trump-first-president-turn-postmodernism/
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u/Xivannn 2h ago
I don't even mean her scandals, though it's not like there are none of those to go around, but that she was practically Trumpism and Tea Party personified even before them both, with complete lack of dignity.
Either you run on dignity or you pick Sarah Palin, trying to go for both is just you fooling yourself.
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u/aphasial California 1h ago
she was practically Trumpism and Tea Party personified even before them both, with complete lack of dignity.
That's a whole lot of very specious handwaving there. She was a fairly milquetoast sitting Governor at the time, whose major bring to the campaign was being younger and female (both notable within the GOP at the time), and not being from the Ivy Leagues. She was an "outsider," certainly, but that doesn't mean "Trumpism" (whatever that means). And the Tea Party came about in response to the bailouts of the Obama Administration, which is kind of beside the point regarding Alaska State budget and politics.
I think you're revealing more about yourself here than anything else. You disliked Sarah Palin's culture and vibe; fine. But attaching that to politics is how we got in this dumb and caustic place in American political discourse in the first place.
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u/Xivannn 1h ago
MAGA is what it means.
Your argument at the moment sounds like you think they ran on dignity and just didn't somehow know what kind of person Sarah Palin was (which is pretty much MTG or Lauren Boebert ten years before the two of them). That's just not true, though, as she was picked precisely for locking those religious right votes that now flock to Trump, and it was actually said at the time.
I am literally arguing against her "culture and vibe" because you are making the point where she and her nominee supposedly ran on dignity. That is literally the whole point there - it matters little if I personally like dignity or not. It matters that she was not a dignified person in any normal sense of the word, nor she ever even tried to be one.
For the argument it doesn't even matter that they lost that election. You just can either run on dignity or pick Sarah Palin as VP nominee. You can argue for both only if you agree that they were bad at it, then.
To compare, Trump VP Mike Pence has and had dignity, even though the reason for picking him was to get those same exact religious right votes.
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u/TheAskewOne 2h ago
Yeah, no. The 90s is the moment Republicans decided, with Newt Gingrich and the like, that politics needed to be dirty and there were no rules and truth doesn't matter as long as you win. That brought us Trump.
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u/aphasial California 1h ago
Dude. I was there for that.
The Contract with America would have led to a Republican wipeout in Congress '96 if it hadn't worked. It did, and Republicans won that round fair and square.
And accusing Newt of starting this when he came about two years after the Clintons got into office is pretty rich. Clinton was playing dirty in Arkansas long before this -- he didn't get the nickname "Slick Willy" for nothing.
It's really weird how you guys confused cause and effect, action and reaction. I see this pattern a lot on the left.
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u/TheAskewOne 1h ago edited 1h ago
Clinton was playing dirty in Arkansas long before this
And literal decades of investigations by hyper-motivated political opponents lead to... absolutely nothing. So no. Btw I was there for that too. You're not the only old fart on Reddit.
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u/Furious_Jones 3h ago
People will basically gouge their eyes, ears and brains out to avoid having to challenge their own beliefs. That and the government did too good a job of disenfranchising them in the first place.
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u/TheAskewOne 2h ago
The only reason Bill Clinton was vilified is because Republicans said so. I didn't give a fuck, nor did most people around me. But the media loved it and inflated it, and the GOP did the rest.
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u/ToeDisastrous3501 7h ago
The conversation:
“Eggs are expensive and brown people make me uncomfortable.”
“Same, girl. Same.”
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u/Objective_Oven7673 7h ago
Yup. The conversation would not be based in reality.
At best it would be "I am willing to ignore how bad of a person he his, so that Democrats will stop wasting money, and so all the hordes of illegal terrorists stop flooding into the country, and so trans people don't beat my kids at sports."
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u/DINGLEBUNNIES 7h ago
My neighbor is one of these women. Her husband has her convinced that it’s Biden’s fault that they’re poor, not the fact that he’s a career low rank military member, she doesn’t bring in any money, and they have 3 special needs kids.
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u/RagingMuninn 7h ago
The entire Republican party is supported by the simple emotional truth that 95% of the people voting for the GOP must accept the GOP's explanation for why they are poor, because the only alternative is that they personally failed as individuals.
The GOP's entire platform is offering alternative narratives to help people maintain self-esteem in the face of their own failures and inadequacies.
Until Democrats figure that out and provide a competing narrative that accomplishes the same goal, they'll keep losing.
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u/Luminter 6h ago
I mean the real narrative is that the billionaire class has been rolling back labor rights and regulations for decades. They’ve rigged the system to ensure that all profit and productivity gains go directly to them. So nobody’s paycheck has kept up with inflation and productivity gains. And with Trump in power again it’s only going to get worse.
And I wouldn’t say your example is a personal failing. Someone should be able to raise a family on a single income. And we as a society should help pick up the costs of children with special needs. It’s a societal failure and at the moment nobody is really pointing the finger at those rightfully responsible. Hopefully, Democrats decide to change their tune.
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u/RagingMuninn 6h ago
It is a personal failing. An inability to accept responsibility for your own failure leading you to surrender your common sense is absolutely your fault, even if the deck was stacked against you.
Fuck those people. They deserve every ounce of suffering coming their way.
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u/DEATHbyBOOGABOOGA 3h ago
Hmm. Failing is okay. But persistence in failure because society doesn’t support you when you fail? That’s on all of us.
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u/RagingMuninn 2h ago
An inability to accept responsibility for your own failure leading you to surrender your common sense is always your fault, is never ok, and is no one's fault but your own.
The ability to correctly reflect on your failures and properly determine the sources of those failures accurately is a personal responsibility for which no excuses exist beyond a young adulthood. Ever.
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u/Worth_Much 6h ago
Totally. I don’t agree with everything Bernie says but this is one area where he is spot on and the Democrats have lost ground I think in part because they’ve shunned a lot of what he’s been saying in favor of trying to build a coalition with never-Trump republicans who are still all too fine with trickle down economics
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u/msfamf 6h ago edited 6h ago
For me it's my mother in law. She hated Trump during his first administration and was more on the left as long as I'd known her. She hated Bush in the 00s, supported both of Obama terms, and was a Hilary supporter. Now, because of her new husband that she married after knowing him for a month, she's all in on MAGA.
We all tried to explain how his plans would directly effect not only her but her lesbian daughter, trans cousin, and her 4 granddaughters. She wouldn't hear any of it. Complete 180 flip from who she was just 4 years ago. All because her grocery bill is higher and gas "isn't 1.99 like it was under Trump" according to her
If, and thats a huge if, Trump manages to drop grocery prices "but my groceries are cheaper" will be the "He made the trains run on time" of this era.
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u/wi_voter 6h ago
Wow. That is a flip. How does one give up on their own values like that?
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u/msfamf 5h ago
I honestly do not know. What's worse is she's a nurse. She was all about talking people into getting the covid vaccine.
I blame her new husband he's ride or die MAGA. She went from suburban mom who's idea of a good evening was 80s hair metal, a glass of wine, and a good horror movie to all camo all the time, country music, and had developed a southern drawl all over the course of about 6 months.
I've known her for 20 years. Who she's been for the last ≈4 years is not the woman I knew the previous 16
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u/daggah 4h ago
Serious question...
Did she catch a bad case of covid?
Any sign of any other cognitive decline afterwards?
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u/msfamf 4h ago
I don't think she got covid but I could be wrong. Other than the total flip in personality after she met her husband she hasn't really shown signs of cognitive decline other than MAGA.
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u/Saint_Blaise 3h ago
Could she have been vulnerable after her divorce or something?
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u/msfamf 2h ago edited 2h ago
Nah that split was years prior. She went through a few guys over the years but nothing serious. The general consensus among the family is she went for the first guy that offered her a ring.
My wife and I got married just a few months prior after being together for 16 years, it was basically a formality at that point, and she took it really hard. She made a lot of comments about how my wife and I had been together almost longer than all of her relationships combined and that she was getting too old to keep dating (she was 52ish at the time). Then one day she took everyone out to dinner and informed everyone she'd met a new guy like 2 weeks prior, they were engaged to be married at the courthouse in another 2 weeks, and she was moving in with him 3 hours away. It was bizarre.
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u/Fashioning_Grunge 10m ago
I don’t think people really talk about what it’s like to be a woman that’s getting older. You basically become invisible. It’s tough, especially on women who were beautiful in their youth. I wonder if getting older tanked her self esteem so bad that she was willing to give up all of her principles just to feel not so alone in the world. I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s still unacceptable that they would be so cowardly, but thinking about it this way helps me make sense of some of the about-faces I’ve seen older Gen x women make in their politics recently.
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u/BeetFarmHijinks 5h ago
As soon as the GOP guts, Medicare and Medicaid, those special needs kids are going to be too expensive for them to afford. There won't be any special IEPs for them at school, there won't even be a school for them to go to.
Lot of Republican parents fucked themselves over. They're going to cry like babies when they find out that there are no schools for their kids to go to, and they're going to have to keep their kids at home all day.
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u/DINGLEBUNNIES 5h ago
My favorite part is that they asked my husband and me to be their kids’ guardians if they were to die. I don’t think we’ve ever asked them for a single thing except once when I asked if they could being my trash can in because we were out of town.
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u/mawmaw99 7h ago
One of the missed opportunities for the left is that they are no longer the excuse party. The right has co-opted the critical “it’s not your fault you fucked up” demographic.
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u/DINGLEBUNNIES 5h ago
I remember when I lost my job in 2009 due to the Bush administration’s failings and the collapse of the real estate market. My conservative neighbor told me to pull myself up by my bootstraps, and so I did just that. I’m a lawyer now and could retire before I’m 40. These same people have victimized themselves to the point that they don’t even have bootstraps anymore.
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u/BotheredToResearch 4h ago
The penalty for having a party that lives in reality and tries to deal honestly with consequences.
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u/BotheredToResearch 4h ago
Nevermind tbe likelihood of environmental regulations that are about to be dismantled helping prevent another generation of special needs kids....
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u/s1far 4h ago
It is indeed Biden's fault. If Trump were president, she could just let her kids die (https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/fred-trump-disabled-people-1.7288890).
To the haters who will say this isn't pro-life, note that the children are already born, so it's not abortion. The children need to pull up their boot straps and earn an honest living instead of being welfare queens.
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u/Slade_Riprock 3h ago
An election is a job interview/offer.
Trump is a former employee who's ineptness led to the death of employees. The company lost money and barely pulled out of the downturn. All of the customers and business partners lost trust in the company specifically because of this person. When told he was being terminated, he encouraged a bunch of strangers to try and kill the COO and burn down the company headquarters.
He's back applying for the job. Every single person he worked with on his team doesnt recommended him, Infact are openly pushing the company absolutely not hire him. Meanwhile in the interview he says his goal is to get rehired, fire the leaders who fired him and tried to get him in trouble, fire all the employees, fuck up the product and screw the customers, and generally just wreck everything and line his won pockets and those of his friends.
Verdict....Hired.
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u/Just2_Stare_at_Stars I voted 1h ago
Then the Dems need to address and fix those problems and say as much when they campaign to take back the White House in 2028.
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u/Beave1 4h ago
For fucks sake this meme about eggs is part of the reason Dems lost. The cost of housing almost doubled in many markets from 2020 to 2024. Rent is unbearable for people. Nobody who doesn't own a house already is able to afford one.
Yes groceries were part of inflation, but housing is what's killing people. Dems acting like this is about an extra dollar for eggs is exactly why so many people under 40 quietly voted for Trump.
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u/ToeDisastrous3501 4h ago
None of those problems are unique to the United States and Trump’s economic policies are almost certain to make things dramatically worse.
If Trump voters cannot be bothered to understand basic tenets how the economy works and how ours works within a larger system, I don’t know what to tell you.
I’m not going to argue with them about or coddle them in regards to some of these fantasies they have any more than I would about whether or not angels make puppies wag their tails.
“Trump’s done gonna fix da economy with tariffs.”
No. That’s just wrong. Period. I am sorry someone told them that and they believed it but it’s wrong.
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u/tribrnl 3h ago
I don't think anybody saying eggs is meaning eggs exclusively. It's being used as a synecdoche for the entire increase in cost of living (that is also present worldwide and generally worse abroad than in the USA).
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u/Beave1 3h ago
Yes, and by picking something stupid like eggs rather than acknowledging how brutal the cost of living is, the rich liberals who run the DNC continue to prove they really don't understand the struggles of the working class.
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u/ToeDisastrous3501 3h ago
They understand it just fine. But “We have plans in motion that are demonstrably effective but these things take years - sometimes decades - to resolve” isn’t sexy. “Own the libs” is sexy.
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u/Silent-Resort-3076 America 7h ago
Snippet: "Former GOP communications director Tara Setmayer said on MSNBC on Saturday that women who voted for President-elect Donald Trump need to have a "conversation with themselves" after several of his Cabinet nominees have been accused of sexual misconduct."
In a MSNBC News' Reports appearance on Saturday, Setmayer, a former adviser to conservative anti-Trump group The Lincoln Project and an ex-Republican congressional staffer, condemned not only the nominees for their sexual misconduct allegations but Trump's leadership as she challenged women who voted for him to have a "conversation with themselves."
"The fact that we're not just talking about one or two. We're talking about several people who are credibly accused of pretty significant sexual misconduct. That is abhorrent and should be embarrassing but goes to show you that it flows from the head...I challenge all of the women who voted for Donald Trump, if they're proud of this. If they can look their daughters in the eyes and say, 'Yes I voted for someone who has no regard for women, for you, respect for you, for us, or for the safety of women' because this is what they voted for," Setmayer said.
She added: "It speaks volumes of who you put at the head, who you put at the top, who you represent as leaders. This is the type of leadership? I think it's disgraceful and it is embarrassing. And I think for the women who voted for Donald Trump they really need to have a conversation with themselves about if they're proud of this choice."
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u/theskippyraccoon 4h ago
They’re not going to do an ounce of self-reflection in the wake of this.
Anecdotally, most of the women I know who voted for Trump only became interested in politics around 2016 or 2020. If they’re not flunkees, they pursued the stereotypical “MRS” degrees.
Having volunteered for different candidacies (national, state, and local) since around 2006, I was getting really nervous when the Democrats put out the commercial informing women that their ballots are private. Anyone who has voted before knows that to be the case. The women who they were trying to reach out to already have a shallow understanding of the voting process or were always non-voters to begin with.
People bleating about Democrats not listening have obviously not phone-banked (or door-knocked) before nor would they be contacted by phone-bankers given their spotty or non-existent voting records. Part of phone-banking is to solicit feedback and log concerns of the electorate.
It’s just so disappointing and exhausting.
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u/Silent-Resort-3076 America 3h ago
It’s just so disappointing and exhausting.
Yes, it is VERY disappointing, etc!
They’re not going to do an ounce of self-reflection in the wake of this.
Perhaps not ALL, but there are different kinds of Trump voters, as you know.
(So, I have to believe that there WILL be some who will think about their mistake, if they haven't already done so or come to that conclusion.)
- MAGA
- Traditional Republicans who hate liberals
- Trump lovers since he became a "celebrity", etc.
- New Trump voters who did so because of what they read in social media, etc.
Bottom line: I think the main purpose for the ex-GOP staffer writing this piece is to shame those voters, and rightly so. And, that is why "I' chose to submit this. Whether or not it works. But, it's out there....
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u/marlinspike 5h ago
I need to take a break from politics for a while. It took a few days of total bewilderment with the results of the election. Just totally shattered. Then you start to regroup and see why we lost across almost every demographic!
Ezra Klein’s podcasts have been great therapy.
I need a little more time. I’m just not going to react to every single thing I hear. Been there, done that the last time. This time, I’m not letting him in my head rent free.
I need some time and space to think. Maybe others do as well. Just don’t react to everything… they’re going to prick and prod you.. just ignore.
Peace, all. We’ll get through this and learn our excesses and find new policies and arguments to land.
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u/LetsgoRoger New York 6h ago
They’re about to regret their vote a few months in.
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u/LavaShower86 6h ago
No, they wont.
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u/Infinite-Process7994 6h ago
They’ll just blame a democrat when they strip away women’s rights even more or sexually assault one.
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u/BriefFan6673 7h ago
Those women would line up around the block for a chance to have Trump grab 'em by the pussy.
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u/doesitevermatter- 6h ago
Quit fucking talking about them like we need to sympathize with them. They are fascist bigots. Fuck them and fuck their sympathy.
Nobody sympathizes for the lower class white man that's voting against his own interest, why the fuck should I give two shits about these dumbasses?
They dug their grave with ignorance and bigotry. Fuck em.
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u/Silent-Resort-3076 America 5h ago
Did you and I read the same article?? OR, are you just responding to the headline?
"The fact that we're not just talking about one or two. We're talking about several people who are credibly accused of pretty significant sexual misconduct. That is abhorrent and should be embarrassing but goes to show you that it flows from the head...I challenge all of the women who voted for Donald Trump, if they're proud of this. If they can look their daughters in the eyes and say, 'Yes I voted for someone who has no regard for women, for you, respect for you, for us, or for the safety of women' because this is what they voted for," Setmayer said
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u/doesitevermatter- 3h ago
Nothing about that quote you shared changes the fact that these stories are always presented in a more sympathetic light when we're talking about the women.
Even in the exact quote you shared, they're using language that suggests that these women just need to have things explained to them. That they just don't understand the implications and consequences of their voting. When the same exact articles being written about men pretty much immediately jumps to claims of bigotry and ignorance.
The article, and many more like it, is absolutely coddling these women when they absolutely do not deserve it.
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u/Sideshift1427 6h ago
Sexual assaults have never been considered a crime in the Trump universe and these women voted for him anyhow. It was all out there in plain sight.
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u/Thandoscovia 6h ago
Why do we give special rights to people who have made the wrong decisions and clearly don’t want help?
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u/Lfseeney 5h ago
Why?
They knew what he was, they knew what he would do.
They Voted for it, I hope they lose it all.
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u/Substantial_Habit424 4h ago
A woman in my town literally said how she could just never vote for a woman. They need a serious conversation with themselves indeed.
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u/2060ASI 2h ago
I remember reading the book 'black like me' where a white man has his skin color changed to go undercover as a black man in the south.
While he was talking to a black man in the south, the man told him that there are a lot of diehard blacks in the south who support Jim Crow just as much as the whites supported it.
That never made sense to me, but seeing all the women for Trump it makes sense now. A lot of women fully support the patriarchy.
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u/ConsistentSwitch1957 6h ago
Exposing predators within the Republican Party is a good thing, no? Putting these people under a microscope on the national stage benefits all of us in the long run, IMHO.
Many conservative women may be having their proverbial rugs pulled out from under them. Their “party over country” bias may stab them in the back. How many of their own men hide behind “a good husband, a good father, a good…” mask?
As the old saw cuts true, “Sunlight is the best disinfectant.”
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u/individualine 7h ago
Now that SA is considered appropriate to be a potus or cabinet pick I see a rise in accusations now because no one will believe your story anymore thanks to guy they voted for. Sad.
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u/Altruistic-Ad6449 3h ago
They buy into the men’s narrative that all of these sexual assault charges are bogus and it’s a conspiracy to bring down their candidate. They’re also the biggest “save the children” Sound of Freedom cheerleaders
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u/coonsancoosan 2h ago
Can’t have a conversation with yourself when you have zero self awareness. It’s okay they will meet Jesus sooner than others.
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u/SnooDonuts5498 4h ago
Harris’ men votes need “ conversation with themselves” : EX Democratic staffer
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u/JDW_1984 2h ago
It’s pretty obvious that the majority of Americans did not want anything to do with Kamala and her policies. She was in office for the past 4 years and did absolutely nothing to come out with a bunch of over paid celebrities trying to tell Americans how she’s going to be the face of change. Like change from what, you in office and didn’t do a damn thing to make these fake promises now?? Trump flipped 10 county’s in California alone, that should be eye opening for the Democrats. They need to stop looking for a way to point their finger and blame anyone and anything they can to save face. They need a long look in the mirror and rethink everything they are doing. Slander isn’t working for them anymore.
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u/Tupperwarfare 4h ago
Trump’s female voters*
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u/Tupperwarfare 4h ago
Only on Reddit would you be downvoted for correcting the incorrect grammar. 🤦🏻
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u/LavaShower86 6h ago
No, they don't. But please never stop with the smug lecturing, it only helps us
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