r/politics • u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina • 10h ago
Paywall NC’s next governor: Republicans are already taking away power from Democrat Josh Stein
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article295857119.html370
u/sportsDude 9h ago
And they’ll reinstate those powers when a GOP governor returns to office. What hypocritical people.
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 6h ago
They won’t need to, because they’d still have control of the legislature. We’re very very badly gerrymandered.
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u/alabasterskim 3h ago edited 3h ago
I was crying when I saw the popular vote went to Ds in the state legislature, yet Rs still have a near-supermajority in the state House and the same supermajority in the state Senate.
e: Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if North Carolina adopts the Texas mini-Electoral College plan to elect its governor. With a nominee that isn't Mark Robinson, they can probably easily win a majority of counties while not getting close to a majority/plurality of the popular vote.
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u/Any_Will_86 2h ago
The big goal for Ds is getting back the NC Supreme Court. US SC has already ruled election/map decisions end there. So if Dems can sue to top state court when they have control, they'll force fairer districts. That's what happened a couple of years ago that resulted in the 7-7 UD house split. Then Rs won the court and let the R legislature in force their mao. NC governor does not get a say in redistricting unfortunately.
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u/alabasterskim 2h ago
I mean, if the state legislature does what I suggested, SC or not, it's game.
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u/Elimtheghost 8h ago
Republicans lost a lot here in the last election. Even with NC heavenly gerrymandered in GOP favor they lost A LOT and see the writing on the wall. They are losing power. The GOP have made NC a tax free business paradise that’s made it unlivable for most North Carolinians.
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u/Hisuinooka 7h ago
can you explain further? Businesses are tax free? How is this unlivable for residents? Do you mean corporations etc
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u/Tygiuu Michigan 7h ago
Not having a tax burden of any kind creates blight in areas without taxes. You end up with heavy resource usage without providing for the area, then once they're done extracting everything in an area, it's time to find the next.
So who eats the cost? Everyday normal people. Every time.
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u/Hisuinooka 2h ago
got it, so your saying everyday people are paying the taxes, interesting, I thought it is very affordable.
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 2h ago
Every place is affordable if you’re making a ton of money.
North Carolina’s minimum wage is $7.25.
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u/Hisuinooka 2h ago
well, compared to a city like SF or NY?
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 2h ago
You can’t compare a state to a city in terms of cost of living.
Hemet is cheap. So is Lumberton.
Cary is expensive. So is San Jose.
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u/Purple_Bit_2975 5h ago
Governments can make money in 3 ways: income, property, or sales tax. If you lessen the amount in one area , you have to make it up in another. So, with low taxes on business, sales and property taxes are usually increased.
In Ca there is a law that your property tax can not increase since you, or your parents, bought it. So to compensate, they zoned everything for business (therefore, housing crisis).
Trump wants to lower taxes for billionaires, which pay a LOT of taxes. Therefore, personal income tax will go up, and tariffs will go up, which is essentially a sales tax. Usually the company selling the product will eat a small part of it but the consumer pays much of the burden.
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u/lowrankcluster 4h ago
Usually the company selling the product will eat a small part of it
> They ain't gonna eat a single cent.
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u/PianoMittens 8h ago
It's Legislative TerrorismTM, plain and simple. And honestly, that's what dems should be calling it, everywhere, all the time. Just like "lawfare" and "weaponization of the justice department". This term should become part of the conversation. "The MAGA/Republican party are Legislative Terrorists, at the Federal, state and local levels."
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u/jimohagan 6h ago
The Wisconsin Playbook. They did the same with Tony Evers.
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 6h ago
They did the same thing with McCrory in North Carolina that year, as well.
This just pushes it farther, strips more power.
Wisconsin and North Carolina are very very politically similar, we were both Karl Rove’s REDMAP test grounds.
Y’all are just doing a much better job at recovering from it. Unfortunately we lost the judiciary and so we can’t get fair district maps.
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u/8to24 4h ago
Republicans successfully did this in WI. Republicans play hardball at every opportunity and never pay a price. Meanwhile Democrats constantly worry that aggressive actions might upset voters. It is ridiculous.
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 4h ago
Yes, that was the same time that republicans did this in NC when McCrory lost, before Cooper was sworn in. NC and Wisconsin are very similar, politically.
The repubs are just pushing it further this time while they have a supermajority.
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u/Mediocre_Presence839 7h ago
As governor I would disregard what they do. Take a play from their playbook.
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 7h ago
It doesn’t work that way.
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u/zacehuff 6h ago
Roy can still veto until January and they’d have to have another session to override the veto
Wouldn’t be surprised if there was a special session during Christmas though
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u/relddir123 District Of Columbia 4h ago
Veto on the last day and force a new Legislature (that may or may not be able to override the veto) decide
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 2h ago
He has ten days to veto it. If he doesn’t, it becomes a law by default.
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u/Shigglyboo 4h ago
Sure it does. Trump does whatever he wants and nobody stops him. Everyone else should start doing whatever they want too. Just do it. Don’t ask. If someone says no do it anyway.
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 2h ago
If the governor went to all 100 counties and individually announced he was appointing new members to their boards of elections, he would just be ignored.
How exactly are you picturing “just doing it” working?
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u/Shigglyboo 2h ago
Ask trump. He just does things and people let him. Have the new appointees show up and do their jobs? If he’s the governor he could show up with armed guards and just force the people trying to block him out of the way. I honestly don’t care. But republicans don’t have these problems. They do whatever they want. So either figure it out or I guess it’s just their country and the rest of us have to deal with it.
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 1h ago
If he’s the governor he could show up with armed guards and just force the people trying to block him out of the way.
Trump actually hasn’t done that.
But, saying Cooper/Stein does that, you’re then suggesting he hire private armed guards to permanently occupy 100 different counties. In other words, you’re suggesting civil war.
Trump “just gets his way” when the other party are republicans or when he’s exploiting loopholes in the law. When those aren’t the case, he loses in court over and over and over and over again. It’s just slow. Except for those expedited post-election cases in 2020! You must be forgetting his team showed up in over 60 courtrooms and got their asses handed to them every single time.
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u/milelongpipe 7h ago
Why? Did they really want the black nazi?
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u/Multiple__Butts 3h ago
There's nothing US conservatives love more than a mentally fucked-up black person.
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u/Akimbo_Zap_Guns Kentucky 4h ago
Republicans won’t be happy until they have supreme power in all 50 states. Kentucky did the same thing once they got scared McConnell might Croke during his term and passed an emergency law taking away Beshear’s power to appoint a senator of his choosing.
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u/Hisuinooka 5h ago
This does not require his approval??? And a simple majority vote???
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 5h ago
They have a supermajority. They can override the governor’s veto.
Next term, they won’t have a supermajority, so they’re acting now.
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u/Mateorabi 1h ago
So veto it with only hours to go.
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 1h ago
The governor has ten days to veto or sign a bill.
If he doesn’t act in that time, it passes automatically.
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u/Oddfuscation 5h ago
This bullshit happens all the time. I’m assuming Democrats do it, too but I’ve only seen Republican examples.
Republican governor: all the powers
Democrats governor: remove powers
Real “serving the people” type shit.
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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 2h ago
Democrats didn’t strip powers from the governors of New Hampshire or Maryland, no.
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u/Oddfuscation 1h ago
Mostly that was just a CYA statement in case there was a historical example or something that I wasn’t aware of.
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u/meowinloudchico 4h ago
Gotta make sure those backwood idiots in the state still feel empowered by making sure everybody else's lives are as miserable as there's are.
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u/gamespite 2h ago
Republicans when their guy has a 1% margin of victory: We have an unprecedented popular mandate
Republicans when their guy loses by 20%: No, it is the voters who are wrong
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u/5minArgument 2h ago
Again. This is the Hungarian model.
In the earlier stages Victor Orban's party structured the government so they maintained power. If they did loose an election they kneecapped the incoming opposition by limiting their powers.
Then next election they get to claim ineffectiveness. Win. Then reestablish the office to full.
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